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Gourami (Gourami)
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Posted on Wednesday, March 24, 2010 - 1:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Meth both endangered and saved her life, although she never used it or any drugs.

Loosely based on a true story, so early $p0i1ers please e-mail.
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Posted on Wednesday, March 24, 2010 - 1:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

She = H? A? F? More people than her relevant? does any of those people: use meth? Make meth? Is a meth lab invovled? Is law enforcement? By meth you mean the drug metamphetamine, and nothing else, right? Is its addictive properties relevant? The effect of keeping users awake for days on end? Other effects? Was her life saved from the danger you mentioned? Or from some other danger?
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She = H? Yes. A? No. F? Yes. More people than her relevant? Yes. does any of those people: use meth? Yes. Make meth? No. Is a meth lab invovled? No. Is law enforcement? Yope. By meth you mean the drug metamphetamine, and nothing else, right? Yes. Is its addictive properties relevant? Not really. The effect of keeping users awake for days on end? No. Other effects? Yesish. Was her life saved from the danger you mentioned? Yes. Or from some other danger? No.
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Posted on Thursday, March 25, 2010 - 5:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

At the time of the puzzle, was she a child? baby? still in utero or being born?

Number of other relevant people involved = 1? 2? 3? more? Were any of the other relevant people her parent? her mother?

Was her life endangered in more than just the normal way of someone around whom meth is used?
or in the normal way of someone born to someone on meth?

So am I reading this right: meth endangered her life, but at the same time meth saved her from that same danger it put her in?
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Posted on Thursday, March 25, 2010 - 6:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

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At the time of the puzzle, was she a child? baby? This. still in utero or being born?

Number of other relevant people involved = 1? 2? 3? This. more? Were any of the other relevant people her parent? Yes. her mother? Yes.

Was her life endangered in more than just the normal way of someone around whom meth is used? Yesish.
or in the normal way of someone born to someone on meth? There's more to it than this.

So am I reading this right: meth endangered her life, but at the same time meth saved her from that same danger it put her in? Indirectly, yes.
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Saved her life: Money involved? Was she fed, ect. due to the sale of meth?
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Posted on Thursday, March 25, 2010 - 6:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Or was she taken from her mother and placed in a foster home or similar?
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Saved her life: Money involved? Not directly. Was she fed, ect. due to the sale of meth? No.

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Or was she taken from her mother and placed in a foster home or similar? Eventually.
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Posted on Thursday, March 25, 2010 - 6:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is her age when she was placed in a foster home or similar relevant?
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Is her age when she was placed in a foster home or similar relevant? No, assume infant.
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Posted on Tuesday, March 30, 2010 - 9:35 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was it being placed in a foster home that saved her life? Did her mother: neglect her? Cause an accident? Die? If the mother had not used meth, would the child have: not been endangered? Not been adopted? Died?
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Was it being placed in a foster home that saved her life? No. Did her mother: neglect her? Yesish. Cause an accident? No. Die? No. If the mother had not used meth, would the child have: not been endangered? Probably. Not been adopted? Probably. Died? Probably not.
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Did the mother endanger her life? Did she also save her life? Is the third relevant person a foster parent? Family? Friend? Cop? Neighbor? Passersby?
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Did the mother endanger her life? Yes. Did she also save her life? No. Is the third relevant person a foster parent? Family? Friend? Cop? Neighbor? No to all. Passersby? Noish, define.
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Did the third person save her life? Was this person also involved with meth? Is that person HAM? HAF?
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Did the third person save her life? Yes. Was this person also involved with meth? Yesish. Is that person HAM? This. HAF?
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Does the HAM: take meth? Make meth? Sell meth? Fight meth? Help addicts? Help children of addicts? Is he the father?
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Does the HAM: take meth? Make meth? Sell meth? This with a big ish. Fight meth? Help addicts? Help children of addicts? Is he the father? No; to be clear, when I said there were 3 other relevant people, the father is the other. He was present, but doesn't do anything especially relevant for the puzzle.
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Does the HAM: buy meth for her to use? Give her meth for free? Deny her meth? Is he present when the child is being endangered?
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Does the HAM: buy meth for her to use? No. Give her meth for free? No. Deny her meth? No. Is he present when the child is being endangered? Not for most of the time, no.
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Does the HAM know the mother? Does he remove the child from the home? Is the child endangered in her home? Does the mother die? Is there a fire? Did the mother make meth?
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Does the HAM know the mother? No. Does he remove the child from the home? Yope. Is the child endangered in her home? Yope, possible FA. Does the mother die? No. Is there a fire? No. Did the mother make meth? No.
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Is the FA that the child has a home? Are they homeless?
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Is the FA that the child has a home? Are they homeless? Not exactly; they are not at home...
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Are they: on vacation? On the run? On a road trip? Meth binge? At someone else's home? The home of the HAM?
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Are they: on vacation? On the run? This. On a road trip? Meth binge? And probably this. At someone else's home? The home of the HAM? No to rest.
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Is the HAM with them? Or do they go to him? Does the mother do something bad to him? Or try to? Is he chasing them?
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Is the HAM with them? Not for most of the story. Or do they go to him? No. Does the mother do something bad to him? No. Or try to? No. Is he chasing them? YES.
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Is he law enforcement? Or does the mother owe him money? Has she stolen from him? Does he save the child by capturing them? Is it relevant how he catches them? Or where? Or for how long the chase lasts? Or how far?
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Is he law enforcement? No. Or does the mother owe him money? No. Has she stolen from him? No. Does he save the child by capturing them? Yes. Is it relevant how he catches them? Yesish. Or where? Yes. Or for how long the chase lasts? No. Or how far? Noish.
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Is the reason why he's chasing them important? Is what happens to the mother when captured relevant? Does he chase them primarly to get to: the child? Her mother?
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Is the reason why he's chasing them important? Not really, might help. Is what happens to the mother when captured relevant? No. Does he chase them primarly to get to: the child? This. Her mother?
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***********RECAP

"She" is an infant. You've pretty much gotten how crystal meth endangered her life: her parents are users and are running from the law with her, so they are unable to adequately care for her. A man catches up to them and saves the infant daughter. Now all you need to find is how meth factored into saving her life.
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If they had used a different drug, would that drug have saved her life? Or would it only work with meth? Did the HAM trick them into thinking he was a meth dealer? Or did he have actual meth?
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If they had used a different drug, would that drug have saved her life? Possibly, but for the exact situation, meth is most likely. Or would it only work with meth? Did the HAM trick them into thinking he was a meth dealer? No. Or did he have actual meth? At some point, not during the puzzle statement timeline.
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Did he communicate with them at all before capturing them? Did he turn them over to law enforcement after capturing them? Was law enforcement also chasing them? Do they owe him something? Is his profession relevant? Are they captured at come kind of border and/or checkpoint? Is it relevant how they travel? How he travels? Does he track them based on some kind of evidence they're leaving behind? Evidence of drug use?
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Did he communicate with them at all before capturing them? No. Did he turn them over to law enforcement after capturing them? Yes. Was law enforcement also chasing them? Yes. Do they owe him something? No. Is his profession relevant? Yesish. Are they captured at some kind of border and/or checkpoint? No. Is it relevant how they travel? Yes, or at least it might help. How he travels? Yes, both by car. Does he track them based on some kind of evidence they're leaving behind? Noish. Evidence of drug use? No.
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Did he get lucky in his attempt to catch them? The relevant effect of meth: is it a main effect? Or side effect? Does it manufest: in all users? Prolonged users? Only during use?
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Did he get lucky in his attempt to catch them? Yes, but it's not all luck. The relevant effect of meth: is it a main effect? Or side effect? Thisish. Does it manufest: in all users? Prolonged users? Only during use? I'm thinking you mean a symptom; when I said yesish to the relevancy of its effects, I mostly meant its illegality and the criminalizing of its users.
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You said he yesishly sells meth - is the ish because he used to sell it, but not anymore? He doesn't sell directly to users? He's involved in the smuggling/production process? He sells an ingredient used to make meth? Does he or has he ever sold meth to this couple? Does the couple also deal?
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You said he yesishly sells meth - is the ish because he used to sell it, but not anymore? Yes! Ish! He doesn't sell directly to users? Also true. He's involved in the smuggling/production process? Smuggling, yes. He sells an ingredient used to make meth? No. Does he or has he ever sold meth to this couple? No. Does the couple also deal? Irr.
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He used to smuggle, but doesn't anymore? Is he able to track them because of his old contacts in the meth trade? Was it lucky that he had been a smuggler?
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He used to smuggle, but doesn't anymore? Yes! Is he able to track them because of his old contacts in the meth trade? No, but you're very close. Was it lucky that he had been a smuggler? Yes.
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Anything to do with getting across a border? Legally? Illegally?
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Anything to do with getting across a border? Yes! Legally? Illegally? This.
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Possibly he knew of secret locations at the border where it is possible to cross illegally without being caught? and so he sent friends to wait at all of them?
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Possibly he knew of secret locations at the border where it is possible to cross illegally without being caught? and so he sent friends to wait at all of them? Close enough. Good detective work, Biograd, Ohlala, Galfisk and everyone!

*****************SPOILER
The man involved in this story shared it a few months ago on a great NPR show called This American Life. Decades ago, in another life, he helped smuggle meth over the California Baja border. Years later, he felt like doing a good deed and started paying attention to children who went missing. He heard of an infant girl who had been put in her grandparents' custody, but her parents--meth users and sellers--had kidnapped her and probably run to Mexico. The child was sick and needed medical attention. Since the man knew all the ways to get from Cali into Mexico without attracting the cops' attention, he could guess at the route they had taken. He successfully recovered the little girl...he later felt guilty about taking her away from her parents, but that's a different story.

So she, the baby, was endangered by meth because her parents were an it, and unable to get her the medical care she needed. She was saved by it because her rescuer had enough experience with the drug to follow her parents and find her!

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