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Posted on Wednesday, May 26, 2010 - 2:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Gordon is faithful to take the trash out daily, a task for which his wife is quite grateful. However, it so happened that on this particular day, his menial chore cost another man thousands of dollars. Explain.
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Posted on Wednesday, May 26, 2010 - 2:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Rats, forgot the name in the subject line.
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Did Gordon know the other man? Were the thousands of dollars in the trash? Or did they end up there (as cash)? Did the trash end up somewhere it shouldn't? Relevant where Gordon put the trash? Did Gordon know that him taking out the trash that day cost the other man lots of money? Relevant how much trash the household was producing? Is a vehicle relevant? Was the other man a garbage man? Was the thousands of dollars: cash? Repairs? Medical bills? Lost income? Lost object?
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Posted on Wednesday, May 26, 2010 - 3:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did Gordon know the other man? no
Were the thousands of dollars in the trash? no
Or did they end up there (as cash)? no
Did the trash end up somewhere it shouldn't? no
Relevant where Gordon put the trash? no
Did Gordon know that him taking out the trash that day cost the other man lots of money? maybe after the fact
Relevant how much trash the household was producing? no
Is a vehicle relevant? no
Was the other man a garbage man? no
Was the thousands of dollars: cash? yope
Repairs? Medical bills? Lost income? no to these
Lost object? yope
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If gordon had taken his trash elsewhere that day, would the same thing have happened? would it have happened if Gordon had went to the garbage bin as usual, but without carrying any trash? Did an accident happen? Was there a fire?
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Posted on Wednesday, May 26, 2010 - 4:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

If gordon had taken his trash elsewhere that day, would the same thing have happened? Yes
Would it have happened if Gordon had went to the garbage bin as usual, but without carrying any trash? probably not
Did an accident happen? Well, the situation was accidental, if that's what you mean.
Was there a fire? No

There is an FA here
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Was the man aware of losing those money? Did he mind losing them? Can we say that he voluntarily spent them on something? Is it normal for him to lose money because of people taking out the trash? Is the way he lost money rather unusual?
Is location relevant? Is mans distance from Gordon relevant?
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Was the man aware of losing those money? Yes
Did he mind losing them? Wasn't particularly thrilled
Can we say that he voluntarily spent them on something? Yes-ish
Is it normal for him to lose money because of people taking out the trash? No
Is the way he lost money rather unusual? Not really. The exact circumstances might be pretty unusual.
Is location relevant? Yes
Is mans distance from Gordon relevant? You could say that, I suppose.
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Posted on Thursday, May 27, 2010 - 1:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is a bet involved?
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Is a country relevant? city? more specific location?
Was man next to Gordon?
Across the street?
Was he able to see him?
Was distance less than 10m? 100m? 1km? more?
He wasn't thrilled about losing those money, that means thousands of dollars doesn't mean much to him, right?
Is it relevant how rich he is?
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Noel:

Is a bet involved? No

Viniter:

Is a country relevant? city? more specific location? this one, no to others
Was man next to Gordon? not necessarily this
Across the street? no
Was he able to see him? Yes!
Was distance less than 10m? 100m? 1km? more? exact isn't that relevant, probably between 10 and 20 meters
He wasn't thrilled about losing those money, that means thousands of dollars doesn't mean much to him, right? some, but not as much as you might think
Is it relevant how rich he is? no-ish
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Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 10:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Slight ***BLOOPER****

On "more specific location", I should have probably said "yes-ish". The exact location is not relevant, as it could have happened in many different countries or cities. But a sort of type of location is involved.
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Location as in: inner city? Suburb? Rural? Does the man live near Gordon? Or was he only there at the right (wrong) moment? Was something damaged? Can it be called an incident? Accident? Disaster? Did garbage end up somewhere it shouldn't? Was someone hurt?
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Location as in: inner city? Maybe this, but even more specific
Suburb? Rural? Does the man live near Gordon? No or irrelevant
Or was he only there at the right (wrong) moment? Yes-ish
Was something damaged? Yope
Can it be called an incident? Accident? This
Disaster? Did garbage end up somewhere it shouldn't? No
Was someone hurt? No

Still a possible FA happening
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Do they live in a high-rise? Is the trash taken by: elevator? Stairs? Corridor? Something else relevant indoors? Is it dropped in a trash chute? Or did the relevant carrying happen outdoors?
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Do they live in a high-rise? Irrel
Is the trash taken by: elevator? Stairs? Corridor? In general, irrelevant, but it may be a clue to say that possibly all of these are involved.
Something else relevant indoors? Yes
Is it dropped in a trash chute? No
Or did the relevant carrying happen outdoors? No
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Is a specific property of garbage relevant? If so: smell? Weight? Looks? That it attracts flies? That it's often disgusting? Wet?
Expensive clothing relevant? Does the 'victim' have a weak stomach?
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Is a specific property of garbage relevant? If so: smell? Weight? Looks? That it attracts flies? That it's often disgusting? Wet? No, very little about the trash itself is relevant
Expensive clothing relevant? No
Does the 'victim' have a weak stomach? No or irrelevant
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Is something specific about Gordon relevant? Or could any man carrying trash have caused the accident? Did Gordon do something: bad? Unusual? Or was it simply the effect of him passing by as usual that caused the accident? Did the two walk past each other? Did the man try to avoid Gordon? Is crime involved?
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Is something specific about Gordon relevant? Yes!
Or could any man carrying trash have caused the accident? Well, only someone who shared the same "Something specific"
Did Gordon do something: bad? Unusual? No
Or was it simply the effect of him passing by as usual that caused the accident? Yes!
Did the two walk past each other? Not exactly
Did the man try to avoid Gordon? No-ish
Is crime involved? No
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Is the man startled? Distracted? Does he mistake Gordon for someone else? Is he paranoid? Or suffer from some other mental illness? Are they living in the same building? Relevant? Does the man see Gordon through a: window? Door? Peep-hole? Does Gordon see him? Relevant? Is something that the man owns involved?
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Is the man startled? Distracted? Probably both of these
Does he mistake Gordon for someone else? No
Is he paranoid? Or suffer from some other mental illness? No
Are they living in the same building? Probably not
Relevant? No
Does the man see Gordon through a: window? Door? Peep-hole? Sort of through a door, sort of within the same space
Does Gordon see him? Yes Relevant? Only relevant in the sense that he definitely sees him.
Is something that the man owns involved? Yope to yes-ish
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Is something the other man owns destroyed? Ruined?
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Is something the other man owns destroyed? Ruined? Yes-ish to these
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Is the other man indoors? Outdoors? In a car?
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Is the other man indoors? This one Outdoors? In a car?
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Does the man see Gordon through a doorway? Is Gordon indoors? Outdoors?
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Does the man see Gordon through a doorway? He may do this at some point, but...
Is Gordon indoors? This as well! Outdoors?
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Did Gordon drop the trash? Do Gordon and the other man live together? Is Gordon's wife relevant in any way?
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Did Gordon drop the trash? No
Do Gordon and the other man live together? No
Is Gordon's wife relevant in any way? Only perhaps as a slight red herring...
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Is the other man Gordon's neighbor? Does the trash do the damage? Does Gordon? Does the other man?
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Is the other man Gordon's neighbor? No
Does the trash do the damage? No
Does Gordon? Yes, perhaps indirectly
Does the other man? No-ish
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Do Gordon and the other man know each other? Relevant? Are they related? Relevant? Or am I on a completely wrong track?
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Do Gordon and the other man know each other? Doubtfully
Relevant? Not as such
Are they related? Even more doubtful
Relevant? not really
Or am I on a completely wrong track? Not so much on the wrong track, as it is that I think you share the same FA that everyone else has exhibited. Finding this FA is the key to progressing a great deal in this puzzle.
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Was the trash, in any way, direct or indirect, a cause of the damage?
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Was the trash, in any way, direct or indirect, a cause of the damage? Remotely indirect. Basically, it was Gordon who more directly caused the damage, but it was a result of him taking out the trash. The trash itself is pretty much irrelevant.
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Did Gordon trip over something? Walk into something? Could he not see over the trash bin?
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Did Gordon trip over something? No
Walk into something? Yes, in a sense, but probably not in the way you're thinking
Could he not see over the trash bin? No
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If Gordon had been taking the same route, without the trash, would the damage have still been done?
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If Gordon had been taking the same route, without the trash, would the damage have still been done? Yes! Good question.
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Did Gordon usually take out the trash this way? Did he try to take a shortcut? And do the damage in the process?
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Did Gordon usually take out the trash this way? Yep, same as usual
Did he try to take a shortcut? And do the damage in the process? No

The overarching FA still hasn't been addressed
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Was the damage done while Gordon was taking out the trash? Or returning from doing so? Did he even return from doing so? Did he finish taking out the trash?
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Are more people involved? Or animal(s)?
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Was the damage done while Gordon was taking out the trash? Yes
Or returning from doing so? Yes
Did he even return from doing so? Yes
Did he finish taking out the trash? Hm, maybe not entirely

Are more people involved? Yes!
Or animal(s)? No
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****BLOOPER*****

"Or Returning from doing so?" should have been answered as "No"
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Is one more person invovled? 2? 5? More? Were the other person(s) with the man (let's call him Jake)? Were the other person(s) H?A?M? Did Jake lose his money to the person(s)?
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Is one more person invovled? 2? 5? More? This one
Were the other person(s) with the man (let's call him Jake)? Yes
Were the other person(s) H?A?M? Yes - Probably - Irrel
Did Jake lose his money to the person(s)? Most of it!
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Did Jake's house burn down? Was Gordon smoking while taking the trash out?
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Did Jake's house burn down? No
Was Gordon smoking while taking the trash out? No or irrelevant
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Is Jake trying to impress the people? Show them something? Sell something? Are they more than: 10? 20? 50? 100? 500? 2048?
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Is Jake trying to impress the people? No
Show them something? No
Sell something? No
Are they more than: 10? 20? Somewhere around here 50? 100? 500? 2048?
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Do the people also see Gordon? Is that what causes the accident? They are all inside a building, correct? If Gordon had been carrying a bag of groceries instead of garbage, would the same thing have happened?
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Do the people also see Gordon? Yes, or most of them anyway
Is that what causes the accident? Yes-ish...in a sense that IS the accident
They are all inside a building, correct? Yes
If Gordon had been carrying a bag of groceries instead of garbage, would the same thing have happened? Yes
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Did they seem him directly? Or through some kind of viewing device? Like a camera/screen? Did Jake try to make sure they were not seen? Not disturbed? Did he promise them something? Which Gordon spoiled?
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Did they seem him directly? Yes, but...
Or through some kind of viewing device? Like a camera/screen? ...this as well! Camera, to be exact.
Did Jake try to make sure they were not seen? Yope
Not disturbed? This is more accurate, yes
Did he promise them something? Not so much this
Which Gordon spoiled? But Gordon did spoil something
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Are they taking pictures? Or filming? Did Gordon ruin one or more photos? Or takes? Is Jake a photographer? Are the other people actors? Models? A group that wishes to be professionally photographed?
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Are they taking pictures? Or filming? Yes!
Did Gordon ruin one or more photos? Or takes? This! One take
Is Jake a photographer? Well, filmmaker
Are the other people actors? Some of them
Models? A group that wishes to be professionally photographed?

You've gotten a good portion of the puzzle, but there is still some surrounding context that makes this story make more sense.
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Are they shooting a film? A commercial? A TV show? And Gordon entered the shot? Thus ruining the take? Did Jake ever complete the filming?
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Are they shooting a film? Yes
A commercial? Could be this, also, I suppose
A TV show? Again, possibly, but most likely the first
And Gordon entered the shot? Yes
Thus ruining the take? Correct
Did Jake ever complete the filming? Yes or irrelevant
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Are they shooting at Gordon's house? Does Gordon know this? Or are they shooting somewhere else along his trash route?
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Are they shooting at Gordon's house? No (and there is where the possible FA lies)
Does Gordon know this? He doesn't know they are there
Or are they shooting somewhere else along his trash route? Yes
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So, attempt at summary:

Jake is shooting a film somewhere along Gordon's trash route. During one take, Gordon, doing his faithful chore, walks in the middle of the shot, thus ruining the take.

Is this correct so far? Is there more to figure out?
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Did Jake not realize that the take was ruined until he was looking at the film later? Did he have to come back and reshoot the shot at a later date?
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So, attempt at summary:

Jake is shooting a film somewhere along Gordon's trash route. During one take, Gordon, doing his faithful chore, walks in the middle of the shot, thus ruining the take. All correct

Is this correct so far? Yes
Is there more to figure out? I should have explained this once we got to this point, but any filmmaker worth his salt, particularly one with a lot of money at stake, would make precautions not to be disturbed, particularly by your average pedestrian taking out garbage. So, there is one other aspect to figure out, and it is something about Gordon, which has been part of a lurking FA for pretty much this whole puzzle. Figure out this FA and one remaining detail, and I'll call it a solve.

Did Jake not realize that the take was ruined until he was looking at the film later? He would have figured it out right away
Did he have to come back and reshoot the shot at a later date? No, but that definitely would have cost him more money! Good thought!
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Does Gordon know the filming is going on? And thus walks through the shot where he knows the filming is? Maybe just as a joke? Does he know he's costing Jake money?
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Does Gordon know the filming is going on? No, clue, though he was supposed to have known...
And thus walks through the shot where he knows the filming is? Maybe just as a joke? No to these
Does he know he's costing Jake money? Not until after the fact, maybe
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Is Gordon one of the actors? Part of the film crew? And he's not doing his job?
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Is Gordon one of the actors? Part of the film crew? And he's not doing his job? No, but good lateraling
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Was a notice given to Gordon about the filming? To others? And he forgot?
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Was a notice given to Gordon about the filming? No...
To others? Yes!
And he forgot? He never knew...
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Did his wife know? But she forgot to tell Gordon? Or did someone else not tell Gordon?
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Did his wife know? Nope
But she forgot to tell Gordon? No
Or did someone else not tell Gordon? Correct
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Was the "someone else" a member of the film crew? An actor? Jake himself? Gordon's landlord? Mailman?
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Was the "someone else" a member of the film crew? An actor? Jake himself? Gordon's landlord? Mailman? None of these! (but keep thinking along these lines)
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Was the "someone else" a relative of Gordon's? Neighbor? Newspaper delivery guy? Pizza delivery guy? Someone who Gordon sees every day (or almost every day)?
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Was the "someone else" a relative of Gordon's? Neighbor? Newspaper delivery guy? Pizza delivery guy? No to all of these
Someone who Gordon sees every day (or almost every day)? Yes or probably for this!
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Does the person bring something to Gordon? Does he come to Gordon's house? Does Gordon go to see him?
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Does the person bring something to Gordon? No
Does he come to Gordon's house? No
Does Gordon go to see him? Yes-ish
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Does Gordon see him at work? A place of business? Is it a co-worker? Grocery store clerk? Bank teller?
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Does Gordon see him at work? YES!
A place of business? YES!
Is it a co-worker? Yope
Grocery store clerk? Bank teller? Neither of these
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Is it Gordon's boss? CEO? Management? A subordinate?
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Is it Gordon's boss? This one! CEO? Management? A subordinate?
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Are they, by any chance, filming at Gordon's workplace? And Gordon's trash route goes by there? The boss was supposed to tell his employeees, but forgot to tell Gordon?
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Are they, by any chance, filming at Gordon's workplace? Yes!
And Gordon's trash route goes by there? Yes, more or less
The boss was supposed to tell his employeees, but forgot to tell Gordon? Right!

I'd say it's enough for a...

*****************SPOILER********************

Gordon is a night janitor at an office building (or other workplace) where he daily takes out the trash, a task for which his wife is grateful (because it pays the bills!)

One day, a major filmmaker approaches the building owner and managers about using the buiding for a film shoot. They agree, and alert most of the staff and management of the situation. However, they neglected to tell Gordon.

At the beginning of Gordon's normal night shift, he goes from room to room collecting trash. Imagine his surprise when he stumbles on the film crew shooting in one of the room! Unfortunately, he ruins a particularly long take that required some setup.

The film that ran through the camera was ruined, and it cost the actors and crew some time in resetting the scene and reshooting. Even a few minutes of lost time on a big-budget film set can add up to thousands!


Thanks to those who participated, Galfisk for some good questions, and especially Balin, who stuck it out to the bitter end.
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Great puzzle! Consider that my revenge for your solving my last three. Can't wait for your next one!

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