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Gourami (Gourami)
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Posted on Monday, June 07, 2010 - 10:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Residents of one portion of the DC area have recently been able to get something for free that usually costs money. Most of them do not know it will be free when they set out for it, and no one intended to make it free. Anyone could technically get it, though few people outside of these residents will likely take advantage of it.

What is it?


Immediate $p0i1ers please e-mail. It's possible that you live around here and don't know about it, though you might have an advantage!
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Is it a: object? Substance? Service? Experience? Public transport?
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Galfisk (Galfisk)

Is it a: object? Substance? Service? Experience? Public transport? This.
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Was there a malfunction in metro payment system?
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Is it the bus system? The Metro (subway system)?

What distinguishes these people (related to the free service)
Their age?
Their hobbies?
Their occupations?
Their family structures?
What stop they get on at?
What stop they get off at?
Their height?
Their weight?
Other physical characteristics?
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Emeraldink (Emeraldink)

Was there a malfunction in metro payment system? Noish.

Noel (Noel)

Is it the bus system? Noish. The Metro (subway system)? Yes.

What distinguishes these people (related to the free service)
Their age?
Their hobbies?
Their occupations?
Their family structures?
What stop they get on at?
What stop they get off at? This.
Their height?
Their weight?
Other physical characteristics? No to rest.
Balin (Balin)
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Are you one of these residents?

Is there a malfunction of some sort? A computer error? A "scanning-equipment" error?
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Were they given a free ride deliberately?
To a specific station? or a number of stations?
At specific dates? times?

As an economic inducement? sales promotion? encouragement of civil engagement? for a sports-related? or scientific? or cultural event? just because?
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Balin (Balin)

Are you one of these residents? No, unfortunately. I could have been, if it happened a few years ago!

Is there a malfunction of some sort? Noish. A computer error? No. A "scanning-equipment" error? No.

Emeraldink (Emeraldink)

Were they given a free ride deliberately? Yesish--it was probably anticipated, though not desired.
To a specific station? Yes. or a number of stations? No.
At specific dates? Yesish. times? No.

As an economic inducement? sales promotion? encouragement of civil engagement? for a sports-related? or scientific? or cultural event? just because? No to all.
Balin (Balin)
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Has this happened more than once?
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Payment methods relevant? Data processing? Construction work? Strike?

Is the stop they get off less frequented than usual? More frequented?

Are they indeed allowed to go for free? Or would they, in principle, have to pay their ride but nobody cares to collect the money/inspect the tickets/sell any tickets at all?
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Balin (Balin)

Has this happened more than once? Not that I know of, but possibly.

Markobr (Markobr)

Payment methods relevant? Yes. Data processing? Rephrase? Construction work? Yes! Strike? No.

Is the stop they get off less frequented than usual? More frequented? Neither.

Are they indeed allowed to go for free? Yesish... Or would they, in principle, have to pay their ride but nobody cares to collect the money/inspect the tickets/sell any tickets at all? ...but yes, this is closer.
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Does it involve a loophole? A technical glitch?
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Balin (Balin)

Does it involve a loophole? You could call it that. A technical glitch? No.
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Do passengers usually pay for their ride after leaving the train at their destination? Are rooms, equipment etc. normally used for collecting money unavailable due to the construction work? And organising another method for collecting money would be more expensive than letting the passengers go for free?
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Anything to do with the system that lets you in and out of the station (the metal "gate" that you have to slide your ticket through)?

I've used the DC Metro quite a bit on summer visits, but haven't been there for a year or two. I generally love it; the one thing I hate about it is that my relatives live closest to the Shady Grove station -- which causes me to have an earworm due to knowing a folksong of that name.
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Markobr (Markobr)

Do passengers usually pay for their ride after leaving the train at their destination? Yes. Are rooms, equipment etc. normally used for collecting money unavailable due to the construction work? Noish. And organizing another method for collecting money would be more expensive than letting the passengers go for free? Yesish, you're OTRT.

Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)

Anything to do with the system that lets you in and out of the station (the metal "gate" that you have to slide your ticket through)? Yesish, and for anyone not familiar...
You do pay at the end of the train ride. You have a paper pass that you run through an electronic sensor on the way in and out. The second time, it deducts the cost from the pass and opens a gate to let you through. That's all the specialized knowledge you need to know.


I've used the DC Metro quite a bit on summer visits, but haven't been there for a year or two. I generally love it; the one thing I hate about it is that my relatives live closest to the Shady Grove station -- which causes me to have an earworm due to knowing a folksong of that name. Haha, sounds annoying. I like our Metro too. It's generally clean and efficient. Of course, since I'm a local, even its quirks are endearing to me.
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Do the construction works make it possible to leave the station without passing the gates? Was a wall torn down? A fence removed? Another structure?
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Do the construction works make it possible to leave the station without passing the gates? Indirectly, yes. Was a wall torn down? A fence removed? Another structure? No to all.
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Do the trains stop elsewhere than usual?
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Markobr (Markobr)

Do the trains stop elsewhere than usual? No.
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Have the gates been deactivated for some reason? Deliberately? Is it possible to pass through the construction area to get out?
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Have the gates been deactivated for some reason? No. Deliberately? They're still working. Is it possible to pass through the construction area to get out? No.
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Is there a problem with the paper pass? Or is it still the same?
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Is it intentional? Or was something accidentally damaged or destroyed?
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Balin (Balin)

Is there a problem with the paper pass? No. Or is it still the same? Yes.

Galfisk (Galfisk)

Is it intentional? Yes: their primary intention wasn't to give people free train rides, but they were probably aware it was happening. Or was something accidentally damaged or destroyed? No.
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Was something switched? On? Off? To something else?
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Was something switched? On? Off? To something else? In a sense, you can say two things were switched...it's kind of vague, though, I know.
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Do passengers take the usual route from entrance gate to exit gate? Before entering? After exiting?

Does the construction block the way to the gates?
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Have they somehow switched the inbound and outbound gates?
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Balin (Balin)

Do passengers take the usual route from entrance gate to exit gate? No. Before entering? Yes. After exiting? Not exactly.

Does the construction block the way to the gates? In a way.

Noel (Noel)

Have they somehow switched the inbound and outbound gates? No.
Balin (Balin)
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Did some part of the train's route change?
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Balin (Balin)

Did some part of the train's route change? Yes.
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Did the train take a longer route? Shorter? Same departing point? Same destination?
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Did the train take a longer route? Shorter? This. Same departing point? Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Same destination? Sometimes yes, sometimes no.
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Are new tracks being built? Old ones being torn up?
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Are new tracks being built? Old ones being torn up? Yes, either would work.
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Has the number of stations passed between embarking and destination changed?
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Has the number of stations passed between embarking and destination changed? No, technically it's the same.
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Are the stations passed in a different order?
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Are the stations passed in a different order? By the people riding? No.
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Are some of the stations closed? Inaccessible? Do they leave the train at a different station? A temporary station? Is an abandoned station being temporarily put to use while the construction work is going on?
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As passengers prepare to exit, do they still scan their passes? Does the system somehow "know" that they are not at their intended destination, hence causing an error? Or is there a command in the system to not deduct the fare if the passenger does not travel to his/her intended stop?
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Are some of the stations closed? No. Inaccessible? Not exactly. Do they leave the train at a different station? Not really, but I think you're OTRT. A temporary station? No. Is an abandoned station being temporarily put to use while the construction work is going on? No.

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As passengers prepare to exit, do they still scan their passes? No. Good q. Does the system somehow "know" that they are not at their intended destination, hence causing an error? No. Or is there a command in the system to not deduct the fare if the passenger does not travel to his/her intended stop? No.
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Does the system, when working, deduct the fare based on number of stations? Distance? Do the passengers have a choice whether to scan their passes? Or are they not able to? Are the scanners working? Is something blocking the passengers' way to the scanners?
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Does the system, when working, deduct the fare based on number of stations? Distance? This, I believe. The fares jump every few stations, as one travels farther. Do the passengers have a choice whether to scan their passes? No. Or are they not able to? At one point, yes. Are the scanners working? Yes. Is something blocking the passengers' way to the scanners? At one point, yes.
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Are the passengers blocked by other people? Other objects? One object? A building? A train? Train tracks? A fence?
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Are the passengers blocked by other people? Thisish, Other objects? One object? A building? A train? Train tracks? A fence? And thisish. A man-made barrier of some kind.
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Are there shops blocking the way? Food carts? A physical barrier? Like guardrails? Or Jersey bumpers?
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Are there shops blocking the way? Food carts? A physical barrier? This. Like guardrails? I believe it was indeed portable guardrails, with some employees standing nearby. Or Jersey bumpers?
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So because of the guardrails, the passengers cannot reach the scanners, right? Do the guardrails redirect the passengers to another exit? Where they do not have to pay? Are not able to pay?
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So because of the guardrails, the passengers cannot reach the scanners, right? Yes. Do the guardrails redirect the passengers to another exit? Yope. Where they do not have to pay? No, except in the case of the people who actually aren't paying. Are not able to pay? Eventually they are.
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Is it possible for the passengers to reach the scanners? By jumping the guardrails? Going around them?
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Is it possible for the passengers to reach the scanners? By jumping the guardrails? Going around them? Irr. In fact, some people are allowed to use the scanners, but most are asked not to. That might help.
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Will using the scanners cause a malfunction? Cause the passengers to pay more?
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Will using the scanners cause a malfunction? No, but... Cause the passengers to pay more? Yes.
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Do the scanners still record payment by the original distance the passengers travelled? But since they travel a shorter distance, they will be paying more for a shorter travel?
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Just got back from the UK, where I spent a few days on the London Underground, so...

Did the gates malfunction in some way? For example, did they close so slowly that it was possible for two people to go through after swiping one ticket?
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Balin (Balin)

Do the scanners still record payment by the original distance the passengers travelled? Yes! But since they travel a shorter distance, they will be paying more for a shorter travel? No, they are in fact traveling the same distance...good question.

Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)

Just got back from the UK, where I spent a few days on the London Underground, so...

Did the gates malfunction in some way? No. For example, did they close so slowly that it was possible for two people to go through after swiping one ticket? Nope, though I'm sure it happens.
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********************RECAP

The thing that some residents are getting for free is a ride on the Metro, DC's subway train system. The free rides are probably known about by officials, but there isn't really any way to prevent them. The indirect cause is construction/repair work on the train tracks.

The electronic scanners at the entrance and exit to the stations, which normally allow customers to pay, are also relevant. None of them are broken or malfunctioning. At one point in the journey, Metro employees and physical barriers stop customers from using the scanners.

It may help to try to trace one of these "free" passengers' trips from beginning to end.
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Are they travelling the same distance "as the crow flies"? The same distance on the train tracks?
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Are they travelling the same distance "as the crow flies"? Yesish, in fact the distance may be a little different, but the basic trip is the same. The same distance on the train tracks? No.
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Does a passenger pay by "crow flies" distance? By train track distance? If the latter, are they prevented from paying because they would not be paying the correct amount for the trip? Would they be paying more? Less?
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Does a passenger pay by "crow flies" distance? By train track distance? Hard to say. I believe you pay by stop, but the price can go up more between stops if they are far away. Not really relevant. If the latter, are they prevented from paying because they would not be paying the correct amount for the trip? Yes. Would they be paying more? Less? This.
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Does the number of stops from embarking point to destination change? Because the construction causes the train to detour away from the normal stops?
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Does the number of stops from embarking point to destination change? Yesish. Because the construction causes the train to detour away from the normal stops? No, the train only has one possible route to take, but you're thinking the right way.
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Are the normal tracks impassable? Does the train take a different route than normal?
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Does the construction cause the train to skip a stop (or stops)?

Is the whole ride free? Or just part of it?
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Are the normal tracks impassable? Yes. Does the train take a different route than normal? Noish.

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Does the construction cause the train to skip a stop (or stops)? Noish.

Is the whole ride free? This. Or just part of it?

Also considering $p0i1ing this one...
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Do Metro passengers normally scan at the start of the ride? The conclusion? Are they prevented from scanning at the start? The finish?
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Do Metro passengers normally scan at the start of the ride? Yes. The conclusion? Yes, this is when the money is deducted. Are they prevented from scanning at the start? No. The finish? For the people who get it free, yes!
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So the people are prevented from scanning because if they did they would be overcharged, right? And that's because of the construction on the tracks?
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Balin

So the people are prevented from scanning because if they did they would be overcharged, right? Yes. And that's because of the construction on the tracks? And yes.
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Trying to clear everything up...

Is there a difference in the distance the train travels? The length (in time) of the ride? Does the train pass over any tracks that are under construction?
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Balin (Balin)

Trying to clear everything up...

Is there a difference in the distance the train travels? Yesish, but FA. The length (in time) of the ride? Yes. Does the train pass over any tracks that are under construction? No.
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I'd forgotten that this one wasn't solved...

So if a person gets on the Metro at Point A and wants to go to Point C, do they have to stop and scan at Point B? If Point C has the problem, can they still exit at Point C and just not use the scanner?
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I'd forgotten that this one wasn't solved...

So if a person gets on the Metro at Point A and wants to go to Point C, do they have to stop and scan at Point B? Stop, yes. Scan, no. If Point C has the problem, can they still exit at Point C and just not use the scanner? It's not exactly the final destination that's having the problem, but everyone there would be scanning.

There are actually points A, B, C, and D of relevance.
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Point A: the point of embarking? Point D: the destination? Do the passengers pass Point B over the course of their trip? Point C? Without the construction, would they pass Point B? Point C?
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Point A: the point of embarking? Yes. Point D: the destination? For some. Do the passengers pass Point B over the course of their trip? Yesish. Point C? Yesish. Without the construction, would they pass Point B? Point C? Yes (excluding anyone getting off before these points, of course).
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Is there only one track that the Metro car can use? Or is there an "express track" for someone who wants to go from A to D without any stopovers?
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Could it be that because of the construction, people have to go a longer route and are therefore overcharged?
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Do the scanners run off electricity and do they have a generator?
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Is the year this occurred in relevant?
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Gourami. You know the drill.. if you want to rescue this from Limbo please answer the outstanding questions
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************************SPOILER

(Due to drawn-out-ness followed by neglect.)

What they got for free, back over the summer, was a free ride home on the Metro subway system if West Falls Church was their final stop. This was because the track between East Falls Church and the next westbound stop, West Falls Church, was closed for construction, although trains ran on either side of the construction. So there was a free bus shuttle to take riders from EFC to WFC, at which point the riders would get right back on the train.

People pay for the Metro with cards passed through a scanning machine at the front gates. If people had to scan their cards to get out of the Metro and onto the shuttle, and then back into the Metro, they would in effect be paying twice. So workers would let passengers going from EFC to WFC through the gates without paying. They would pay once they got back on the train and reached their actual destination.

Except, of course, for the people whose actual destination was West Falls Church. They could just get off the shuttle and walk home, without ever scanning their card a second time (which is when the fare is deducted). The same is true of people who were going eastbound to East Falls Church, of course. I asked one such rider, and they confirmed that they could use the same card to enter the Metro the next day, with the same amount of money still on it!
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A shuttle...so simple.

Nice to see you back, Gourami!

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