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A biblical scholar once had a scrund about oil; Recently, I've been wondering if some American politicians have it too. What is it?
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BP oil spill relevant?

Does the scrund involve the density of oil? The quantity?
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BP oil spill relevant? Yes.

Does the scrund involve the density of oil? No. The quantity? No.
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Attempts to control oil spill relevant? Is the scrund about what will control it?
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Is the scrund that fire will burn off oil on the surface of water, when it doesn't?
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Attempts to control oil spill relevant? Noish. Is the scrund about what will control it? No.

Is the scrund that fire will burn off oil on the surface of water, when it doesn't? No. I think I had a scrund myself about that last one.
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Is any of the following relevant:

-The cause of the oil spill?
-The amount of oil flowing into the water?
-How widespread the spill is?
-How long the oil will (potentially) be in the water?
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Is any of the following relevant:

-The cause of the oil spill?
-The amount of oil flowing into the water?
-How widespread the spill is?
-How long the oil will (potentially) be in the water?

No to all.
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Changing gears for a moment...

Was the scholar's scrund related to his studies? Did he read something in the Bible that caused the scrund? That he misinterpreted? That he thought was wrong? Related to how long oil can burn?
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Did he (the scholar) read something in another source that caused the scrund? That he misinterpreted? Thought was wrong?
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Changing gears for a moment... Good idea.

Was the scholar's scrund related to his studies? Yes. Did he read something in the Bible that caused the scrund? A verse is relevant, but did not directly cause the scrund, though it led to it. That he misinterpreted? Yesish. That he thought was wrong? No. Related to how long oil can burn? No.

Did he (the scholar) read something in another source that caused the scrund? Yes. That he misinterpreted? Yes. Thought was wrong? No.
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Is the scrund about the effects of oil on the environment? About drilling for oil?

Relevant that there are other kinds of oil than petroleum? Like plant oil? Fish oil?

The other source: Religious writings? Philosophical? Maybe Aristotle? Scientific? Journalistic? An encyclopedia? Fiction?

LTPF list of centuries for the time the scholar got his scrund?
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Is the scrund about the effects of oil on the environment? Not directly (or no, with an ish). About drilling for oil? No.

Relevant that there are other kinds of oil than petroleum? No. Like plant oil? Fish oil?

The other source: Religious writings? Philosophical? Maybe Aristotle? Scientific? This. Journalistic? Or, more likely, this. An encyclopedia? Fiction?

LTPF list of centuries for the time the scholar got his scrund? 20th.
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Was the other source a magazine? Newspaper? Scholarly magazine? Book of some sort?
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Was the other source a magazine? Newspaper? Scholarly magazine? Book of some sort? Exactly where he got it is irrelevant. For purposes of the puzzle, assume the science pages of a newspaper or magazine.
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Chemical properties of oil relevant? Physical properties?
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Chemical properties of oil relevant? Yes. Physical properties? No.
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Is the fact that oil burns relevant? That it's "scared" of detergent?
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Is the fact that oil burns relevant? That it's "scared" of detergent? Neither.
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Is the fact that oil burns relevant? That it's "scared" of detergent? No to both.
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Hmmm...

Is it oil's inability to wash off with just water?
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Does the relevant bible verse contradict the scientific knowledge about oil? Is it a verse in the Old Testament? The New Testament? Is the meaning of the verse ambiguous?
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Is it oil's inability to wash off with just water? No.

Does the relevant bible verse contradict the scientific knowledge about oil? No. Is it a verse in the Old Testament? This. The New Testament? Is the meaning of the verse ambiguous? Yope.
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Does the verse mention oil in passing? Is it about anointing oil? Does it focus on oil?

Is the verse in [LTPF list of Old Testament books]?
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Does the verse mention oil in passing? No. Is it about anointing oil? No. Does it focus on oil? No.

Is the verse in [LTPF list of Old Testament books]? Erm... (checks) It's not a single specific verse, actually. It is mentioned in Exodus and Numbers.
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Is the scrund about where oil is located (on the globe)?
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Is the scrund about where oil is located (on the globe)? No.
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Is the Biblical mention referring to the legal use of oil?
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Is the Biblical mention referring to the legal use of oil? No.
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OK, so we have the scholar, who got the scrund from his research...and some American politicians, who have the scrund from the BP oil spill. Is this right?

Did the politicians get the scrund immediately after the spill? After it had been flowing for a while?
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Or did the politicians have the scrund before the spill?
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OK, so we have the scholar, who got the scrund from his research Not from his Biblical research, no ...and some American politicians, who have the scrund from the BP oil spill. Is this right?

Did the politicians get the scrund immediately after the spill? After it had been flowing for a while?

Or did the politicians have the scrund before the spill? I wouldn't be surprised.
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Did he get the scrund from the science magazine?
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Did he get the scrund from the science magazine? Yes.
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Does the verse mention oil at all?
Or is it a reference to lamps (which used oil)?
Some other reference where oil may be implied?
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Does the verse mention oil at all? No.
Or is it a reference to lamps (which used oil)? no.
Some other reference where oil may be implied? No.
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Did the science magazine mention the verse? Make a claim about it?
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Did the science magazine mention the verse? Make a claim about it? No.
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Is the verse a legal one (part of the Law of Moses)?
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Is the verse a legal one (part of the Law of Moses)? No, I think that's Leviticus.
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Is the verse spoken? By God? Moses?
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Is the verse spoken? By God? Moses? God and Moses both make relevant pronouncements.
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Is the verse one of the Ten Commandments? Tabernacle relevant? Golden calf relevant? 40 years wandering in the wilderness relevant?
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Is the verse one of the Ten Commandments? No. Tabernacle relevant? No. Golden calf relevant? No. 40 years wandering in the wilderness relevant? Yes.
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Does the verse involve:

-The original spy expedition into Canaan?
-The fact that only 2 of the Israelites (Caleb and Joshua) survived the 40 years?
-Manna?
-Quail?
-Any plague or rebellion?
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Does the verse involve:

-The original spy expedition into Canaan?
-The fact that only 2 of the Israelites (Caleb and Joshua) survived the 40 years?
-Manna? This.
-Quail?
-Any plague or rebellion?
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Is the verse about the physical description of manna? Manner of appearance/dissolution?
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Is the verse about the physical description of manna? Manner of appearance/dissolution? Not this, but it's relevant. There's no specific one, manna is mentioned numerous times.
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In the Bible, manna was thought to have been provided by God. Did the scholar think that oil was provided by God?

Is it relevant that manna in the Bible occurred specifically when they were in the desert?
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In the Bible, manna was thought to have been provided by God. Did the scholar think that oil was provided by God? No.

Is it relevant that manna in the Bible occurred specifically when they were in the desert? No.
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Does it involve that manna would only last for one day (excepting the day before the Sabbath, when it would last 2)?
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Does it involve that manna would only last for one day (excepting the day before the Sabbath, when it would last 2)? No.
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I seem to remember Mannah being referred to in the Bible as containing oil. Is this relevant?
Is his beliefs on the origins of the manna relevant (from the sky, etc.)?
Does the scrund specifically involve the middle-east?
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I seem to remember Mannah being referred to in the Bible as containing oil. Is this relevant? No, though you're OTRT.
Is his beliefs on the origins of the manna relevant (from the sky, etc.)? Very much so.
Does the scrund specifically involve the middle-east? No.
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Is the expression "like manna from heaven" relevant?
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Is the expression "like manna from heaven" relevant? No.
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Wild guess: Did the scholar believe that manna dissolved into oil?
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Wild guess: Did the scholar believe that manna dissolved into oil? No, but OTRT.
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Did he believe mannah fell from the sky?
Did he believe mannah contained oil?
That mannah owed its origin from oil?
That mannah and oil shared similar properties?
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Does the scrund involve the origins of oil? How to get at it?
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Did he believe mannah fell from the sky? Yes.
Did he believe mannah contained oil? Yopish.
That mannah owed its origin from oil? Yes.
That mannah and oil shared similar properties? Yes!

Does the scrund involve the origins of oil? How to get at it? No to both.
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Did he believe that manna would work as an alternative fuel source?
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Did he believe that oil can also fall from the sky?
That it evaporates?
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Did he believe that manna would work as an alternative fuel source? No.

Did he believe that oil can also fall from the sky? Yes, under certain circumstances.
That it evaporates? No.
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Did he believe that oil was a replenishing source? And there was an unlimited amount for usage? Ditto on the politicians?
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Did he believe that oil was a replenishing source? And there was an unlimited amount for usage? Ditto on the politicians? No to all.
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Did he think that oil "dissolved" at the end of each day or something like that?
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Did he think that oil "dissolved" at the end of each day or something like that? No.
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Specific type of oil relevant? Crude oil? Olive oil? Other oil? Or is the scrund that all oils are basically the same?
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Specific type of oil relevant? Crude oil? Probably closest. Olive oil? Other oil? Or is the scrund that all oils are basically the same? No, but you're starting to nose vaguely in the general direction.
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Did he think crude oil was edible? Was...trying to think of the best word...natural? Safe? Clean?
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Did he think crude oil was edible? Yesish. Was...trying to think of the best word...natural? Safe? Clean? All of these are possible. Oil IS natural, by the way.
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Did he think that crude oil was safe to be touched/consumed by humans?
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Did he think that crude oil was safe to be touched/consumed by humans? Quite possibly.
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Did he simply think that manna and crude oil were the same?
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Did he simply think that manna and crude oil were the same? Yes. Why?
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Is the "why" related to the verse? The science magazine?
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Is the "why" related to the verse? The science magazine? This.
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I think the Bible actually refers to "oil from above". Is that relevant?
Did the scientific magazine somehow refer to oil as manna?
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I think the Bible actually refers to "oil from above". Is that relevant? No.
Did the scientific magazine somehow refer to oil as manna? No.
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Did the science magazine do a study on manna? Or oil? And conclude they were the same?
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Did the science magazine do a study on manna? Or oil? And conclude they were the same? No.
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Did the magazine use the word "manna"? "Oil"?
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Did the magazine use the word "manna"? No. "Oil"? No.
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Related to that manna would appear on the ground?
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Related to that manna would appear on the ground? No.
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Related to the sudden, daily appearance of manna?
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Related to the sudden, daily appearance of manna? No.
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Ok, to recap what I understand of what's been discovered...
The scholar has a scrund about oil that he sort of inferred from both passages on manna and a science article or journal?
And his scrund is that he thinks manna and oil are the same thing?
Is there more to his scrund other than how he got it?
Did either source mention the scrund directly?
Did the science magazine use a metaphor or other figure of speech that he took literally?
Do you imagine that politicians could think that manna is oil?
Because they treat oil like it was manna?
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Did he think people could eat oil?
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Is the fact that there is a kind of oil called "sweet crude oil" relevant?
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Ok, to recap what I understand of what's been discovered...
The scholar has a scrund about oil that he sort of inferred from both passages on manna and a science article or journal? Correct (though primarily the science article).
And his scrund is that he thinks manna and oil are the same thing? Yes.
Is there more to his scrund other than how he got it? A lot, but let's burn that bridge when we get to it.
Did either source mention the scrund directly? No.
Did the science magazine use a metaphor or other figure of speech that he took literally? No.
Do you imagine that politicians could think that manna is oil? No.
Because they treat oil like it was manna? No.

Did he think people could eat oil? Yes. With an ish.

Is the fact that there is a kind of oil called "sweet crude oil" relevant? Not a bad idea, but no.
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Blooper: It's not perfectly true, but for the purposes of the puzzle it'll work. Assume the following:

Did he think people could eat oil? Yes.
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Did the scholar take the passages from the article out of context?
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Does it have do do with different age groups reporting different tastes for manna with the elderly believing it tasted like oil
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Did the scholar take the passages from the article out of context? Yes.

Does it have do do with different age groups reporting different tastes for manna with the elderly believing it tasted like oil? No.
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Did the science article mention the Bible? Was the Bible (or a particular passage) the subject of the study?
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Did the science article mention the Bible? Was the Bible (or a particular passage) the subject of the study? No to both.
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Did the scholar believe that oil could change into manna and vice versa?
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Did the scholar believe that oil could change into manna and vice versa? Yope; you're on the right track.
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Is the scholar alive today?

Are animals relevant? Birds?
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Is the scholar alive today? No.

Are animals relevant? No. Birds?
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Was the scholar alive in [LTPF list of centuries]? Do others today have this scrund (other than the politicians)? Relevant how everyone involved got the scrund?
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Was the scholar alive in [LTPF list of centuries]? 20th. Do others today have this scrund (other than the politicians)? Doubtful. Relevant how everyone involved got the scrund? Just the scholar.
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Is the fact that the oil spill is on water relevant? And that manna would form on the ground?
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Is the fact that the oil spill is on water relevant? No. And that manna would form on the ground? No.
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Was the magazine study about another specific item? A liquid? Solid? Gas? Element?
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Was the magazine study about another specific item? Yes, but it mentioned oil. A liquid? Solid? Gas? Element?
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Did the magazine only mention oil in passing? Was the study about an item that contained oil?
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Did the magazine only mention oil in passing? Yes. Was the study about an item that contained oil? Yes. (It didn't contain oil, but it was thought to at the time. That it did not actually contain oil is irrelevant.)
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Is it about an ancient item? Like the Baghdad battery? Or was it the Ark of the Covenant?
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Is it about an ancient item? Like the Baghdad battery? Or was it the Ark of the Covenant? No to all.
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Well, actually, the item is extremely ancient, but it is not a product of ancient civilization.
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Is this item around today? Is writing involved?
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Is this item around today? Yep. Is writing involved? No.
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Is the item a container? Does it contain a form of fuel? Is the item made of:

-Wood?
-Metal?
-Plastic?
-Plaster?
-Clay?
-Paper?
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Is the item a container? No. Does it contain a form of fuel? Not so far as is known. Is the item made of:

-Wood?
-Metal?
-Plastic?
-Plaster?
-Clay?
-Paper? None of these. You may have an FA.
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Is the item larger than a toaster? Book? Mouse?

Has the item been around since ancient times? Is the item flammable? Explosive?
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Is the item larger than a toaster? Book? Mouse? Much larger than any of these.

Has the item been around since ancient times? Oh, yes. Is the item flammable? In a sense. Explosive? I doubt it.
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Is the item a building? A vehicle? An aqueduct?
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Is the item a building? A vehicle? An aqueduct? Larger than those.
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Is it a city? Country? Continent? The Earth?
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Is it a city? Country? Continent? The Earth? About this size.
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Is it another planet? If so, [LTPF list of planets, including Pluto]?
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...Or another celestial body?
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Is it another planet? If so, [LTPF list of planets, including Pluto]? Venus.
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Atmosphere of Venus relevant? Temperature?
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Atmosphere of Venus relevant? Yesish. Temperature?
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Thickness of Venus' atmosphere relevant? Air content by proportion?
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Thickness of Venus' atmosphere relevant? Air content by proportion? No to both.
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Mythology relevant? The planet's core? Surface?
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Mythology relevant? This. The planet's core? Surface? Probably this.
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BLOOPERS!

Mythology relevant? No. The planet's core? Surface? Maybe. But not as relevant as something else.
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Venus's moons? atmosphere? geography? climate? Was the article reporting something that was found on Venus with a probe? Suspected to be there through observation?
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Venus's moons? There aren't any. atmosphere? Possibly. geography? climate? Was the article reporting something that was found on Venus with a probe? Suspected to be there through observation? This.
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Was there believed to be life on Venus? Or is it surface features? (Volcanoes, canals, lakes, etc.)
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This might be the only puzzle ever that links manna, oil and Venus. I'm just saying.

Did they think there might be water vapor on Venus? The same way everyone was all excited about ice on Mars?
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Was there believed to be life on Venus? Irrelevant, although it'd be indicated by what else they believed was there. Or is it surface features? (Volcanoes, canals, lakes, etc.) Surface features are irrelevant.

Did they think there might be water vapor on Venus? Not this. The same way everyone was all excited about ice on Mars? Something like that, yes.
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Did they think there was liquid water on Venus? Liquid oil?
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Did they think there was liquid water on Venus? Liquid oil? This, though I dunno if they thought it was liquid (at that temperature it'd probably be vapor).
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So did the scholar think that there was some sort of Venutian being that ate the oil? Or that God had provided us with a new fuel source, much like He gave the Hebrews manna when they needed it?
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So did the scholar think that there was some sort of Venutian being that ate the oil? Or that God had provided us with a new fuel source, much like He gave the Hebrews manna when they needed it? No to both.
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Did he think that the oil explained the high temperature of Venus?
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Did he think that the oil explained the high temperature of Venus? No.
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Did he think oil was manna in its solid state?
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Did he think oil was manna in its solid state? Something like that.
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Did he think manna could also be found on Venus?
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Did he think manna could also be found on Venus? Yes.
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Was the connection to manna that something in the article was described as having similar properties as manna is said to have had in the Bible? because a word was used in the article that resembled "manna" in spelling? because of a connection to another article that resembled manna?

As an aside, there is a sugar found on the surface of cells called mannose, and a related compound called mannitol is used in some medical products, and for people with diabetes. I wonder if some people think that blood sugar is manna because of that.
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Was the connection to manna that something in the article was described as having similar properties as manna is said to have had in the Bible? because a word was used in the article that resembled "manna" in spelling? because of a connection to another article that resembled manna? None of these, though the first question is loosely related to the scrund.
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Hint: The actual scrund itself is scientific in nature -- actual scientists will almost certainly not have it.
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Can oil enter a solid state?
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Can oil enter a solid state? Irr.
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Is the scrund about oil in a specific state? Solid? Liquid? Gas?
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Is the scrund about oil in a specific state? Solid? Liquid? Gas? No.
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OK, let me try a recap...

-His scrund was that manna and oil were the same.

-He got the scrund from an article in a science journal, which mentioned neither manna nor oil.

-The article was about Venus, and they believed there was oil on Venus.

-Statements from the article were taken out of context in order for the scholar to have this scrund.

This good so far?

Did the scientists believe there was oil in Venus' core?
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OK, let me try a recap...

-His scrund was that manna and oil were the same.

-He got the scrund from an article in a science journal, which mentioned neither manna nor oil.

-The article was about Venus, and they believed there was oil on Venus.

-Statements from the article were taken out of context in order for the scholar to have this scrund.

This good so far? Excellent recap.

Did the scientists believe there was oil in Venus' core? No.
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Did the scholar assume the scientists' claim that there was oil on Venus was fact? Did he part-to-whole and assume all planets had oil? Are any other planets (other than Earth), including Pluto, relevant?
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Did the scholar assume the scientists' claim that there was oil on Venus was fact? Yes. Did he part-to-whole and assume all planets had oil? No. Are any other planets (other than Earth), including Pluto, relevant? Yes. I should warn you that this scrund is part of a much larger, even more ridiculous idea he had, and he made a bestselling book out of it. His basic idea would make a puzzle in itself, and might as well.
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Did he believe that all planets had oil on them? Had manna on them? Did he believe that God was an alien of some sort?

(And why am I not surprised that he got a book out of this.)
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Did he believe that all planets had oil on them? Irr. Had manna on them? Irr. Did he believe that God was an alien of some sort? No.
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So the scientists claimed that there was oil on Venus, then the scholar took that directly as a fact, right? Were there other statements taken out of context as well?
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So the scientists claimed that there was oil on Venus, Yes. then the scholar took that directly as a fact, right? Yes. Were there other statements taken out of context as well? No.
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Are the other planets relevant Mercury? Earth? Mars? Jupiter? Saturn? Uranus? Neptune? I know it's not a planet anymore, but Pluto?
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Are the other planets relevant Mercury? Earth? Mars? Jupiter? This. Saturn? Uranus? Neptune? I know it's not a planet anymore, but Pluto?
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Is the fact that Jupiter is the largest planet relevant? The Great Red Spot? Its atmosphere? Temperature? Distance from the sun? Distance from Earth? Distance from Venus? Moons? Mythology? Did the scholar think there was oil on Jupiter as well?
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Is the fact that Jupiter is the largest planet relevant? The Great Red Spot? Its atmosphere? Temperature? Distance from the sun? Distance from Earth? Distance from Venus? Ish. Moons? Mythology? Did the scholar think there was oil on Jupiter as well? None of the others.
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Did the scholar think that there was manna on Jupiter? That it originated on Jupiter, but was transported to Venus/Earth? Is astrology relevant?
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Did the scholar think that there was manna on Jupiter? That it originated on Jupiter, but was transported to Venus/Earth? Is astrology relevant? None of these.
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Are the orbits of any of these planets relevant?
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Are the orbits of any of these planets relevant? Yes, but look out for FAs.
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Orbit of Venus? Earth? Jupiter? Am I just making this more and more complicated?
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Orbit of Venus? This. Earth? Jupiter? Am I just making this more and more complicated? Maybe. I'd concentrate for now on why he thought manna and oil were the same thing; after that, if you like, you can try to figure out what this all has to do with Venus (which is indeed wacky).
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Did he think the two were the same because of something mentioned in the Bible? Another statement from the article? Another source?
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So the scientists claimed in the article that there was oil on Venus, but did not use the word "oil"? or the scientists' belief that oil was on Venus was not in the article, but he just happened to link the belief with the article in a scrundy way, because it also mentioned Venus?

If the former (i.e., the claim/belief was mentioned in the article), is it relevant what exact word or phrase they used in place of "oil" (e.g. petroleum, hydrocarbons, fossil fuels, etc.)?
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Did he think the two were the same because of something mentioned in the Bible? Another statement from the article? Another source? None of these.

So the scientists claimed in the article that there was oil on Venus, but did not use the word "oil"? Yes. or the scientists' belief that oil was on Venus was not in the article, but he just happened to link the belief with the article in a scrundy way, because it also mentioned Venus? No.

If the former (i.e., the claim/belief was mentioned in the article), is it relevant what exact word or phrase they used in place of "oil" (e.g. petroleum, hydrocarbons, fossil fuels, etc.)? Yes. And "hydrocarbon" is the term that was used.
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Is the "hydro-" part of "hydrocarbon" relevant? "-carbon"? Yeah, I'm just guessing now.
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Is the "hydro-" part of "hydrocarbon" relevant? "-carbon"? Both.
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Abundance of hydrogen and carbon relevant? Fact that carbon is organic relevant?
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Abundance of hydrogen and carbon relevant? No. Fact that carbon is organic relevant? Yes.
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Did he assume that anything organic was automatically good for you? Safe to eat?
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Did he assume that anything organic was automatically good for you? Safe to eat? No to both.
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Did he assume that manna was organic?
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Did he assume that manna was organic? b{Yes.}
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Did he assume that the two were the same because they were both organic?
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Did he assume that the two were the same because they were both organic? No.
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Did he mix up "hydrocarbon" and "carbohydrate"?
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Did he mix up "hydrocarbon" and "carbohydrate"? Yes, he did. Excellent work. The rest of the puzzle is so far from reality that I doubt you'll guess it, so...

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Immanuel Velikovsky was a crackpot who tried to reconcile science and the Bible, particularly the miracle accounts of Exodus and Numbers. He did this by theorizing that Venus was originally a comet that was spat out of Jupiter. This comet wandered around the Solar System, making numerous bypasses of Earth and causing what looked like miracles on each pass. For example:
- It caused the rain of "blood" and the three days of darkness of the Ten Plagues,
- It caused the Earth to stop spinning at coincidentally the exact time that Joshua made the sun stand in the sky,
- It parted the Red Sea with tidal forces, conveniently for the Jews and inconveniently for the Egyptians,
- It was the "pillar of fire by night" during the forty years in the desert,
- And it rained down hydrocarbons (which Velikovsky conveniently relabeled "carbohydrates") on the Sinai, which the Israelites called manna.

Velikovsky's book detailing these theories, Worlds In Collision, reached the best-seller lists in 1950, despite the fact that real scientists tore his theory to small pieces within minutes of opening the book.

And yes, he and a lot of people who bought his book really did believe this.
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Wow, great puzzle! Can't wait for your next one. Although I am curious how the politicians could have this scrund....

As a Christian, I can utterly agree that that guy's a crackpot.
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The reason is that I've seen a few stories about pols who think the spill isn't dangerous to humans at all.
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Posted on Tuesday, July 06, 2010 - 11:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

That's a good one. The confusion of the two words is understandable, but to make a whole theory out of it without bothering to fact-check is not!

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