| Author | Message | ||
| Alternativepants (Alternativepants)
New member Username: Alternativepants Post Number: 1 Registered: 6-2010 |
Let's see if I remember how to do this right. Amy is sitting in a small, crowded room. She is in possession of something, which she gives to Brian upon seeing him. After a minute has passed, Brian gives it to Charlie. Thirty seconds later, Charlie gives it to Deidre. After a few minutes, all four depart, never to see each other again. What was being transferred? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1393 Registered: 4-2010 |
First off, welcome to the forum! Now then... Does Amy give the whole of the object to Brian? And so on with each transfer? Or only part of the object? Is the "something" an object at all? Do A/B/C/D know each other? Know about each other? Are they all human? Adult? Are they spies? | ||
| Alternativepants (Alternativepants)
New member Username: Alternativepants Post Number: 4 Registered: 6-2010 |
Hello, Balin, and thank you for the warm welcome. Does Amy give the whole of the object to Brian? yes And so on with each transfer? yes Or only part of the object? no Is the "something" an object at all? no Do A/B/C/D know each other? no Know about each other? no Are they all human? yes Adult? not all Are they spies? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1399 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is Amy adult? Brian? Charlie? Deidre? Is the "something" a piece of knowledge? | ||
| Alternativepants (Alternativepants)
New member Username: Alternativepants Post Number: 7 Registered: 6-2010 |
Is Amy adult? no Brian? Charlie? Deidre? yes to all Is the "something" a piece of knowledge? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1404 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did the gift make the recipient happy? The giver? | ||
| Alternativepants (Alternativepants)
New member Username: Alternativepants Post Number: 11 Registered: 6-2010 |
Did the gift make the recipient happy? yes The giver? the giver had relatively neutral feelings | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3074 Registered: 5-2003 |
Are they all in the same room at the same time? Is it crowded with more people than the four of them? If so, are these other people relevant? Are their jobs relevant? Do they recognize each other easily? Do they speak to each other at any point? Do they pass around a document? A toy? A weapon? Is the item bigger than a breadbox? Can it fit in a pocket? Is it artificial? Is a crime being committed? Is the location relevant? | ||
| Alternativepants (Alternativepants)
New member Username: Alternativepants Post Number: 16 Registered: 6-2010 |
Are they all in the same room at the same time? Is it crowded with more people than the four of them? If so, are these other people relevant? Are their jobs relevant? Do they recognize each other easily? Do they speak to each other at any point? Do they pass around a document? A toy? A weapon? no to all Is the item bigger than a breadbox? yes Can it fit in a pocket? no Is it artificial? yes Is a crime being committed? no Is the location relevant? yes! | ||
| Alternativepants (Alternativepants)
New member Username: Alternativepants Post Number: 17 Registered: 6-2010 |
And, as a special treat, I will answer the first half of your questions. Curse the oppressive yoke of the textbox! Are they all in the same room at the same time? Is it crowded with more people than the four of them? yes If so, are these other people relevant? no Are their jobs relevant? no specific occupations are relevant, but explore this line Do they recognize each other easily? There's no recognition as such, as they're all strangers, but explore Do they speak to each other at any point? not relevantly outside of making the offer | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1439 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are they in a private home? A public place? A train station? Airport? Mall? School? Store? Indoors? Outdoors? | ||
| Alternativepants (Alternativepants)
New member Username: Alternativepants Post Number: 22 Registered: 6-2010 |
Are they in a private home? no A public place? yes A train station? Airport? Mall? School? Store? no to all Indoors? yesish Outdoors? yesish | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 1451 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are they in a tent? A gazebo? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2209 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is the object changed in any way by any of the persons? Did Amy mean for Deidre to ultimately receive the object? Did they all see each other? Are any of them related? Relevant? Is Deidre Amy's mom? | ||
| Alternativepants (Alternativepants)
New member Username: Alternativepants Post Number: 25 Registered: 6-2010 |
Balin: Are they in a tent? no A gazebo? no Galfisk: Is the object changed in any way by any of the persons? outside of its possessor changing, no Did Amy mean for Deidre to ultimately receive the object? no Did they all see each other? yes, eventually Are any of them related? no Relevant? Is Deidre Amy's mom? n/a to both | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2212 Registered: 9-2009 |
Does Deidre ever give away the object? Does she transport it somewhere? Keep it? Throw it away? Destroy it? Is the object money? Is it being traded? | ||
| Alternativepants (Alternativepants)
New member Username: Alternativepants Post Number: 30 Registered: 6-2010 |
Does Deidre ever give away the object? yes Does she transport it somewhere? Keep it? Throw it away? Destroy it? Is the object money? Is it being traded? no to the rest | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2226 Registered: 9-2009 |
Charity relevant? Did Amy mean for someone else of the three to keep the object? Did they all meet specifically to take part in this transaction? Have any of them seen each other before, in a relevant fashion? Do any of the adults know beforehand that they will: receive the object? give away the object? What the object is? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 835 Registered: 6-2008 |
Could Amy have given the object directly to Deirdre, assuming she had wanted to? would this have accomplished the same final purpose (assuming there was a purpose to the whole thing)? or did each person need to touch? or see? the object in turn to fulfill the purpose? | ||
| Alternativepants (Alternativepants)
New member Username: Alternativepants Post Number: 31 Registered: 6-2010 |
Galfisk: Charity relevant? As in, the spirit of charity? yes Did Amy mean for someone else of the three to keep the object? for as long as they needed it, yes Did they all meet specifically to take part in this transaction? no Have any of them seen each other before, in a relevant fashion? no Do any of the adults know beforehand that they will: receive the object? give away the object? no to both What the object is? yes Biograd: Could Amy have given the object directly to Deirdre, assuming she had wanted to? no would this have accomplished the same final purpose (assuming there was a purpose to the whole thing)? yes or did each person need to touch? or see? the object in turn to fulfill the purpose? no | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2250 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is it a piece of clothing? Is it made from: metal? Plastic? Fabric? Wood? Rubber? Paper? Glass? Ice? Liquid? Gas? Is it on fire? Are they partaking is some kind of relay race? | ||
| Alternativepants (Alternativepants)
New member Username: Alternativepants Post Number: 33 Registered: 6-2010 |
Is it a piece of clothing? Is it made from: referring to the physical aspect of what is being offered: metal? yes Plastic? Fabric? yes Wood? Rubber? Paper? Glass? Ice? Liquid? Gas? Is it on fire? no to rest Are they partaking is some kind of relay race? no | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2253 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is it an umbrella? | ||
| Alternativepants (Alternativepants)
New member Username: Alternativepants Post Number: 34 Registered: 6-2010 |
Is it an umbrella? no | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2262 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is it useful? Symbolic? Valuable? Is there any relevant writing on it? Did Amy make it? Buy it? Is it some sort of prize? Can what they're doing be called a ceremony? Can it be called "equipment"? | ||
| Alternativepants (Alternativepants)
New member Username: Alternativepants Post Number: 35 Registered: 6-2010 |
Is it useful? yes Symbolic? Valuable? Is there any relevant writing on it? Did Amy make it? Buy it? Is it some sort of prize? Can what they're doing be called a ceremony? Can it be called "equipment"? no to all else | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2265 Registered: 9-2009 |
are they givning it away because: they don't need it? Someone else needs it more? Are they all in the small, crowded room? Are there more people than them in this room? Are people in the room waiting for something? | ||
| Alternativepants (Alternativepants)
New member Username: Alternativepants Post Number: 36 Registered: 6-2010 |
are they givning it away because: they don't need it? no Someone else needs it more? in 2 of the 3 cases Are they all in the small, crowded room? yes Are there more people than them in this room? yes, many Are people in the room waiting for something? yes | ||
| Ohlala8 (Ohlala8)
New member Username: Ohlala8 Post Number: 683 Registered: 6-2009 |
Are the other people waiting to receive the object? Do each of the four perform some action with or on the object before passing it along? Is the object materially altered in the end? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 841 Registered: 6-2008 |
So there is a physical object being given? but also something intangible given along with it? Assuming so, would the intangible part best be described as a type of information? a role? the right to do something? an opportunity? (for the last three, in case it's unclear, I'm imagining something like the "talking sticks" passed around to speakers at certain kinds of meetings) Oh, and that last comment made me think to ask: is it important that only one person have whatever is given at any moment? are there any more, equivalent things being passed around by others in the big group? | ||
| Alternativepants (Alternativepants)
New member Username: Alternativepants Post Number: 37 Registered: 6-2010 |
Ohlala8: Are the other people waiting to receive the object? no Do each of the four perform some action with or on the object before passing it along? yes Is the object materially altered in the end? no Biograd: So there is a physical object being given? yes but also something intangible given along with it? yes Assuming so, would the intangible part best be described as a type of information? a role? no to both the right to do something? this an opportunity? and this, to a slightly lesser extent (for the last three, in case it's unclear, I'm imagining something like the "talking sticks" passed around to speakers at certain kinds of meetings) similar sort of vein, yes Oh, and that last comment made me think to ask: is it important that only one person have whatever is given at any moment? yes! (per example of that which is being given) are there any more, equivalent things being passed around by others in the big group? yes! | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2286 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is the object used: for protection? For fun? Comfort? Out of neccessity? Is there something added to it? Removed from it? Do all of the people present get one of the objects at some point? Is that why they're there? Is religion relevant? Public transportation? Relevant where in the world this is happening? Or when? | ||
| Alternativepants (Alternativepants)
New member Username: Alternativepants Post Number: 38 Registered: 6-2010 |
Is the object used: for protection? For fun? Comfort? this Out of neccessity? arguably this Is there something added to it? no Removed from it? no Do all of the people present get one of the objects at some point? no Is that why they're there? each person is there with the hopes of getting this item, but understand that they may not Is religion relevant? no Public transportation? yes! Relevant where in the world this is happening? no Or when? no | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2291 Registered: 9-2009 |
Are they uncomfortable? Does the object provide: cooling? Shade? Are they waiting for transportation? Does the object have anything to do with the transportation? Is the transport: bus? Train? Plane? Ship? Taxi? Are they queueing? Will only persons getting the item be allowed onto the transport? | ||
| Alternativepants (Alternativepants)
New member Username: Alternativepants Post Number: 39 Registered: 6-2010 |
Are they uncomfortable? discomfort is a factor in the solution Does the object provide: cooling? Shade? neither Are they waiting for transportation? no Does the object have anything to do with the transportation? yes! Is the transport: bus? this Train? Plane? Ship? Taxi? Are they queueing? no Will only persons getting the item be allowed onto the transport? no | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2293 Registered: 9-2009 |
Are they on a bus? Is the bus the "small, crowded room"? | ||
| Alternativepants (Alternativepants)
New member Username: Alternativepants Post Number: 40 Registered: 6-2010 |
Are they on a bus? yes Is the bus the "small, crowded room"? yes | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2295 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is the bus rolling? Is the object normal equipment on buses? Is it passed around in preparation for getting off the bus? Is the object provided by the bus driver? It's only made of fabric and metal, correct? Is the type of fabric relevant? The type of metal? Can it be called a device? A machine? A gadget? Relevant how long the bus trip has lasted? Is the bus uncomfortably: hot? Cold? Noisy? Dark? Bright? Smelly? Motion sickness relevant? | ||
| Alternativepants (Alternativepants)
New member Username: Alternativepants Post Number: 41 Registered: 6-2010 |
Is the bus rolling? yes Is the object normal equipment on buses? yes Is it passed around in preparation for getting off the bus? no Is the object provided by the bus driver? no It's only made of fabric and metal, correct? Talking about the physical aspect of what is being offered: yes Is the type of fabric relevant? The type of metal? neither Can it be called a device? A machine? A gadget? none of the above Relevant how long the bus trip has lasted? yes Is the bus uncomfortably: hot? Cold? Noisy? Dark? Bright? Smelly? not relevantly so Motion sickness relevant? no | ||
| Ohlala8 (Ohlala8)
New member Username: Ohlala8 Post Number: 698 Registered: 6-2009 |
Is this a city bus? A greyhound or other long-range public bus? A school bus? A chartered coach bus? Has the trip lasted more than 10 minutes? half an hour? an hour? 2 hours? 5 hours? 10 hours? a day? two days? a week? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 845 Registered: 6-2008 |
Do the objects stay put and the people move between them? Are the objects an especially comfy row of seats that the people are fighting over? (Looking back, I notice that the object was never said to have been handed, carried, passed, etc., even though we've all probably assumed that it could be) | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2305 Registered: 9-2009 |
Or is it just a seat, period? Is the bus very crowded? And the people, in turn, give up their seat for someone who needs it more? such as someone old, disabled, injured, or pregnant? | ||
| Alternativepants (Alternativepants)
New member Username: Alternativepants Post Number: 42 Registered: 6-2010 |
Or is it just a seat, period? YES Is the bus very crowded? yes And the people, in turn, give up their seat for someone who needs it more? yes! such as someone old, disabled, injured, or pregnant? yes! ****** SPOILER ****** A seat on a crowded bus. Amy, a schoolgirl, gives up her seat for Brian, a young fare-paying adult. A minute later, the bus stops and Charlie, a pensioner, gets on. Brian gives up his seat to Charlie. 30 seconds later it gets to another stop, at which the heavily pregnant Deidre boards the bus. Charlie gives up his seat for her. After a few minutes, they all reach the key destination of the bus route (say, a railway station or CBD near schools, shops and offices) and alight. Interestingly enough, in the time it takes me to type out the solution to this puzzle, I may miss the bus I need to catch to work :P Finally, (Looking back, I notice that the object was never said to have been handed, carried, passed, etc., even though we've all probably assumed that it could be) And that's what makes a lateral puzzle! | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 848 Registered: 6-2008 |
(Looking back, I notice that the object was never said to have been handed, carried, passed, etc., even though we've all probably assumed that it could be) And that's what makes a lateral puzzle! Yes, indeed! |
