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Verona often says, "Thank you, doctor," to salesclerks, cashiers, bank tellers, and other service personnel. She knows that they aren't doctors. How come?
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Is she expressing sincere gratitude? For the services that they normally render? Is she being sarcastic? Is this always in response to something specific that the service personnel say? Does the "doctor" refer to the person she's talking to? Or is she quoting someone? Referring to something she once said? Is one specific doctor relevant? The medical profession general? Something that is normally associated with doctors?
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Do the salesclerks etc. claim to be doctors? Expect Verona to believe they are? Expect someone else to believe they are? Is something illegal going on? A crime? Is this a kind of game?

Is Verona HAF? Are the salesclerks etc. HAF?

Does Verona say "Thank you, doctor" as a part of her job? Is her profession relevant?
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Is she expressing sincere gratitude? yope For the services that they normally render? yesIs she being sarcastic? yesIs this always in response to something specific that the service personnel say? yes Does the "doctor" refer to the person she's talking to? yes Or is she quoting someone? no Referring to something she once said? noIs one specific doctor relevant? no The medical profession general? see next answerSomething that is normally associated with doctors? yes
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Do the salesclerks etc. claim to be doctors? no Expect Verona to believe they are? no Expect someone else to believe they are? noIs something illegal going on? noA crime? noIs this a kind of game? no

Is Verona HAF? yes Are the salesclerks etc. HAF? They're human & adult, but their gender is irrel

Does Verona say "Thank you, doctor" as a part of her job? noIs her profession relevant? no
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Do the sales personnel say whatever it is when Verona first arrives? When asking if they can help her? While performing whatever service applies? While taking her money? While giving her change? When she leaves?

Things that are associated with doctors... something doctors normally say? a tool they use? their education? the diagnosis procedure? the treatment procedure? tests of some sort? waiting rooms? nurses? bad handwriting?

Does the relevant "something" apply equally to general-practice diagnosticians? pediatricians? OBGYNs? surgeons? specialists? anaesthesiologists? nurses? pharmacists? phDs?
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do they say something in a way that doctors sometimes do? like 'how are we today?' (which I hate!)
do they ask a question that is often associated with doctors? ask about a problem? ask if she is well? ask how she is feeling?
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Is Verona's first language the same as those she is saying this to? Does she think she's saying something else? Does she have a scrund?
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Do the sales personnel say whatever it is when Verona first arrives?usually not When asking if they can help her? sometimes While performing whatever service applies? usually notWhile taking her money? sometimes While giving her change? sometimes When she leaves? most commonly

Things that are associated with doctors... something doctors normally say? no a tool they use? notheir education? noish the diagnosis procedure? nothe treatment procedure? no tests of some sort? no waiting rooms? no nurses? nobad handwriting? no

Does the relevant "something" apply equally to general-practice diagnosticians? pediatricians? OBGYNs? surgeons? specialists? anaesthesiologists? nurses? pharmacists? phDs?
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do they say something in a way that doctors sometimes do? no like 'how are we today?' (which I hate!) I always reply, "I'm here to find out how I am, and I have no idea how you are."
do they ask a question that is often associated with doctors? no ask about a problem? noask if she is well? no ask how she is feeling? no
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Do the sales personnel say whatever it is when Verona first arrives?usually not When asking if they can help her? sometimes While performing whatever service applies? usually notWhile taking her money? sometimes While giving her change? sometimes When she leaves? most commonly

Things that are associated with doctors... something doctors normally say? no a tool they use? no their education? noish the diagnosis procedure? no the treatment procedure? no tests of some sort? nowaiting rooms? no nurses? no bad handwriting? no

Does the relevant "something" apply equally to general-practice diagnosticians? yes pediatricians? yesOBGYNs? yes surgeons? yes specialists? anaesthesiologists? yesnurses? nopharmacists? noish phDs? yes
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do they say something in a way that doctors sometimes do? no like 'how are we today?' (which I hate!) I always reply, "I'm here to find out how I am, and I have no idea how you are."
do they ask a question that is often associated with doctors? no ask about a problem? noask if she is well? no ask how she is feeling? no
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Is Verona's first language the same as those she is saying this to? irrel, but they''re all fluent Does she think she's saying something else? noDoes she have a scrund? no
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Do the clerks say something that sound pseudo-intelligent?
Do they give her advice?
"Prescribe" her something?
Is she purposely misinterpreting what they say?
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Do the people say, "Thank you for being patient", and she is making the joke that if she was (a) patient, the other person must be the doctor?
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Do the people she says this to have anything in common with doctors? Perhaps they wear white coats?

Does she have an objective purpose in saying this? Do the people she says it to recognize the purpose? Agree with it? Is their reaction: Happy? Humorous? Confused? Annoyed? Angry?
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Do the clerks say something that sound pseudo-intelligent? no
Do they give her advice? no
"Prescribe" her something? no
Is she purposely misinterpreting what they say? no
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Do the people say, "Thank you for being patient", and she is making the joke that if she was (a) patient, the other person must be the doctor? no
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Do the people she says this to have anything in common with doctors? Perhaps they wear white coats?

Does she have an objective purpose in saying this? yes Do the people she says it to recognize the purpose? rarely Agree with it? usually not, if they recognize it at all Is their reaction: Happy? no Humorous? noConfused? sometimes Annoyed? ditto Angry? ditto
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so she says this in response to something they say? usually at the end of a transaction? and it relates to something to do with doctors? is the relevant thing connected with doctors: disease? their title? white coats? particular equipment? name badges? books? treatments? a 'paternal' manner? hospitals? x rays? their degrees?

she says it to be sarcastic? to make a point? does she feel insulted? belittled? patronised? misunderstood?

does she think they have claimed some benefit that doctors would normally have? is money relevant?

could this happen in a country where there is no payment by patients to doctors? less likely to?

is she repsonding to an elaborate description of their job as shown on a name badge? or said by them? something which makes them sound very technical? or scientific? or a 'specialist'? a 'consultant'? and she thinks it overplays what they actually do?
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so she says this in response to something they say? yes usually at the end of a transaction? yes and it relates to something to do with doctors? see belowis the relevant thing connected with doctors: disease? no their title? that's part of it white coats? no particular equipment? no name badges? no books notreatments? no a 'paternal' manner? no hospitals? no x rays? no their degrees? noish or maybe yope

she says it to be sarcastic? yesto make a point? YES does she feel insulted? yesbelittled? yespatronised? YES misunderstood? yope

does she think they have claimed some benefit that doctors would normally have? nois money relevant? no

could this happen in a country where there is no payment by patients to doctors? yes less likely to? no

is she repsonding to an elaborate description of their job as shown on a name badge? no or said by them? no something which makes them sound very technical? no or scientific? no or a 'specialist'? noa 'consultant' no and she thinks it overplays what they actually do? no
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Have they just told her to do something? To "have a nice day"?
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Have they just told her to do something? no To "have a nice day"? no
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so this is in response to something particular they say? something they tell her to do? 'take care now'? some question they ask?

does she feel patronised because they appear to be telling her something she already knows? appear to be more knowledgeable than her? more educated than her? and does she say what she does as a way of saying, 'if you really know that much more than me you must have a higher level of education than me so you must at least be a doctor'?
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so this is in response to something particular they say? yes something they tell her to do? no'take care now'? nosome question they ask? no

does she feel patronised because they appear to be telling her something she already knows? no appear to be more knowledgeable than her? nomore educated than her? no and does she say what she does as a way of saying, 'if you really know that much more than me you must have a higher level of education than me so you must at least be a doctor'? no
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Are they making a stupid comment to her? An obvious one? A "I'm-better-than-you" one? Is the comment deliberately meant to be this way?
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what the salesperson says - is it goodbye in one form or another? wishing them a good day? referring to the purchased item? the money? the change? the weather? giving directions of some sort? saying "next" (or similar)to the next customer? anything to do with wrapping? bags? is she having a go at the sales person in any way for being a sales assistant?
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Are they making a stupid comment to her? yesAn obvious one? no A "I'm-better-than-you" one? possiblyIs the comment deliberately meant to be this way? possibly
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what the salesperson says - is it goodbye in one form or another? possibly, but the goodbye part isn't the relevant part wishing them a good day? no referring to the purchased item? no the money? nothe change? nothe weather? giving directions of some sort? saying "next" (or similar)to the next customer? noanything to do with wrapping? no bags? no is she having a go at the sales person in any way for being a sales assistant? yes
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HINT: Find out PRECISELY what is relevant about doctors
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Is the fact that doctors are regarded as life-savers relevant? Their income? Long education? Any part of their actual patient work? Paperwork?
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Is the fact that doctors are regarded as life-savers relevant? noTheir income? yes Long education?yes Any part of their actual patient work? no Paperwork? no
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Medical school relevant? Are people bragging about their education?
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Medical school relevant?not specifically no. HINT: ant is in relation to another factor that is closely associated with income & education Are people bragging about their education? no
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Does their income mainly pay off their education? Do doctors typically have large homes?
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Does their income mainly pay off their education? no--it goes way beyond that Do doctors typically have large homes probably
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...Pay off their debt? Student loans?
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...Pay off their debt? irrel Student loans? irrel. HINT: What is generally associated with high incomes & professional education?
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High-paying job? Degrees (like PhD)?
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Nice houses? Cars? Stuff? High social class? High prestige/respect? The fact that everyone wants their kid to be a doctor? A holier-than-thou attitude? An "intellectual" way of speaking?
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is she showing sarcastic respect for what she considers a menial task? one below her "standing"? is she quoting someone?
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Nice houses? see next answer Cars? see next answer Stuff? see next answerHigh social class? yes High prestige/respect? yesThe fact that everyone wants their kid to be a doctor? see previous answers A holier-than-thou attitude? noAn "intellectual" way of speaking?no.
The crucial thing about doctors is their high social status. Salesclerks & bank tellers, of course, do not have high social status. So Verona is calling people in low-status occupations by a high-status title &, as mentioned earlier, she's being sarcastic & doing it to make a point. Is she being a jerk? That's a matter of opinion, but I think she's making a reasonable point in view of what the service personnel have said to her.So find out what they said that elicits this response!!
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im here to help you? just ask if there is anything you dont understand? do they give her unnecessary information/advice? have they made some sort of judgement about her? and said something accordingly? is there something about her that would lead them to say something patronising?
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check my previous post if you would nimue - posted simultaneously with yours - probably not a of any consequence now though...
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im here to help you? nojust ask if there is anything you dont understand? nodo they give her unnecessary information/advice? no have they made some sort of judgement about her? yesish and said something accordingly? yesis there something about her that would lead them to say something patronising? yes. GOOOOOOOOOOOD question!! Find out what her relevant characteristic is!
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check my previous post if you would nimue - I did posted simultaneously with yours - I have justanswered it )above) probably not a of any consequence now though..
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does she have a physical disability? an amputee? blind? frail? elderly? in a wheel chair? illiterate? do they say something like do you need help with that? ill do that/get that for you? can you manage that? helping her with her money? parcels? the door?
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hearing impaired?
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I think Kerry was talking about her post at 6:01, which still seems to be unanswered.

Relevant characteristic about Verona: age? gender? appearance? size? height? weight? race? ethnicity? religion? clothing? socioeconomic status? disability? injury? intelligence? education? past experience? Is it something they could tell just by looking at her? talking to her? interacting with her in a professional context? or does she tell them?
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it was answered with my next questions ohlala - thanks though....
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oops - no it wasnt - but not relevant now....
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Well, I feel your pain with the cross-posting thing. Welcome to the forum, by the way! (Any idea why your posts are in a different font than the rest of ours? That's a bit strange...)
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does she have a physical disability? noan amputee? noblind? no frail? no elderly? possibly--she is, or at least appears to be, between about 40 & 65 in a wheel chair? no illiterate? nodo they say something like do you need help with that? ill do that/get that for you? no can you manage that? nohelping her with her money? no parcels? no the door? no
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hearing impaired? no
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I think Kerry was talking about her post at 6:01, which still seems to be unanswered. Ooops! My apologies! I've answered it now

Relevant characteristic about Verona: age? yes, she appears to be between approximately 40 & 65 gender?the SPECIFIC thing they say would work only for a woman, but a similar thing could be said to a man appearance? yes--see previous answers size? noheight? noweight? no race? noethnicity? noreligion? noclothing? nosocioeconomic status? nodisability? noinjury? nointelligence? noeducation? no past experience? no Is it something they could tell just by looking at her? see abovetalking to her? nointeracting with her in a professional context? not if they didn't see her or does she tell them? no--it's that she appears to be between approximately 40 & 65


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is she showing sarcastic respect for what she considers a menial task? no one below her "standing"? nois she quoting someone? no
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You missed my post from 1:07 AM...

Is her physical shape relevant? Her weight? Is she younger than she looks? Older?
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You missed my post from 1:07 AM... Sorry. Rectified (below) with my apologies

Is her physical shape relevant? see final answer in this groupHer weight? no Is she younger than she looks? irrelOlder? irrel. All that's relevant about her age is that she appears to be between approximately 40 & 65
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High-paying job? We've established that the important thing about doctors is that their jobs have high-status.The status of a job is correlated with how well it pays, but not perfectly. Being a minister often pays less than being a used-car dealer but has higher status. Degrees (like PhD)? see previous answer
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Do the people assume that she's frail? And needs help doing the simplest things?
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hi ohlala and thanks. in fact i have been a member of the lpf for about 10 years but havent been in for a while - and would you believe i cant remember my password - not even sure of the exact format of my name - though i know it was just my first and second names. so i reregistered some time ago and have just reintroduced myself to the site - hopefully with enough time on my hands to put some effort into the puzzles. im a chronic insomniac so you will find me in here at all sorts of odd times - australian time - as far as the font goes - im still struggling with remembering the formatting protocol. the best i have come up with so far from the instructions is \ 0 { at the beginning of the text then closing the parentheses at the end. i am wading through the instructions but clearly havent come up with the right combination yet. any help would be appreciated.
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is it a language difficulty? is it something that verona is perfectly comfortable with? but the service person seems to think she is in some way impaired? is it a physical trait? aesthetic? would most people believe it to be an impairment? is it something verona was born with? something that "happened" to her? is it something verona chooses to do/have? like a way of speaking, wearing certain clothes, acting in a certain way? is it a cultural issue for verona? for the service person?
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Do the people assume that she's frail? no And needs help doing the simplest things? no
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is it a language difficulty? no is it something that verona is perfectly comfortable with? irrel but the service person seems to think she is in some way impaired? no or noishis it a physical trait? yesaesthetic? noishwould most people believe it to be an impairment? noishis it something verona was born with? nosomething that "happened" to her? yes is it something verona chooses to do/have? noish or yope like a way of speaking, wearing certain clothes, acting in a certain way? no is it a cultural issue for verona?I don't want to be picky, but just what do you count as a cultural issue? for the service person? ditto
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Does she take offense at a certain appellation? I know some middle-aged women don't like to be called "ma'am"...
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Does she take offense at a certain appellation? Yes!! GOOOOOOOOOOD QUESTION!!}I know some middle-aged women don't like to be called "ma'am". That's not it, but you're very ORT (on the right track).
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Do they call her "miss"? Something to do with how old she looks? "Years young"? "Elderly"? "Old"? "Middle-aged"?
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Do they call her "miss"? noSomething to do with how old she looks? yes"Years young"? No, but you're VERY, VERY ORT (on the righht track)"Elderly"? no"Old"? no"Middle-aged"? no
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Do they ask her age? How old she is? Do they assume she's x number of years old? And say something revealing their assumption?
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Do they ask her age? no How old she is? noDo they assume she's x number of years old? yesishAnd say something revealing their assumption? yes
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Do they think she's older than she is? Younger? Do they call her a standard female title (Miss, ms, mrs, madam, ma'am, etc)? A word more or less synonymous with "woman"? A word more or less synonymous with "old person"? Would they call any 45-60 year old woman this? Would any 45-60 year old woman take offense?
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Do they think she's older than she is? no Younger? no Do they call her a standard female title (Miss, ms, mrs, madam, ma'am, etc)? noish or yopeA word more or less synonymous with "woman"? yope A word more or less synonymous with "old person"? noWould they call any 45-60 year old woman this? yes, if she appeared to be in that age groupWould any 45-60 year old woman take offense? many would & many would not
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Is it just one word? 2? 3? 4? more? An adjective? A noun? A pronoun? A title?
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Do they say she's "well on in years" or something like that? Is the word "years" used?
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Is it just one word? 2? 3? 4? more? An adjective? A noun? A pronoun? A title? what they call her is 2 words, an adjective followed by a noun
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Do they say she's "well on in years" or something like that? no Is the word "years" used? no
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Is the word "old" used? "Elderly"? Does either word refer to her gender? Age?
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(Hi Kerry!! Still here after all these years?)


do they call her by an endearment? 'my dear'? 'my love'?
do they use an over-familiar expression? one usually used within families?

is the basic idea that they use an expression that one might usually expect someone of a high social status to use to someone of a lower status? specifically someone middle aged of a low status?
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Is what they say intended to be a compliment? Do they call her young lady? And her point is "I'm not a young lady any more than you're a doctor, and calling you a doctor isn't a compliment"?
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Is what they say intended to be a compliment? Do they call her young lady? And her point is "I'm not a young lady any more than you're a doctor, and calling you a doctor isn't a compliment"? Yes, that's it exactly!!!!

******** SPOILER ******************
Verona is somewhere between approximately 40 & 65 & she looks it. When she goes shopping, cashiers & other service personnel sometimes end the transaction by saying, "Thank you, young lady." Since Verona knows that she doesn't look like a young lady & resents the suggestion that pretending that she is one is a compliment, she says, "Thank you, doctor," to get across the idea that it's insulting to "compliment" someone by suggesting that what he really is isn't good enough. Thanks for solving it, Ohlala, and please direct that clever lateral mind to the bottom of the page, where a new puzzle awaits some attention.

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