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His ambition to hold a world record saved his life. How come??
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Was the record a one-time achievement? Lifetime event? Was it something active? Age-related? A collection? Sports relevant? Did he have to train for it? Did the training save his life? The preparation? Is crime relevant? Would the record be considered a good thing to hold (as opposed to, say, most drug-related arrests)?
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Was the record a one-time achievement? see next answer Lifetime event? yes or yesish Was it something active? no Age-related? no A collection? yes Sports relevant? no Did he have to train for it? no Did the training save his life? n/aThe preparation? no Is crime relevant? no Would the record be considered a good thing to hold (as opposed to, say, most drug-related arrests)? yope
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Was he trying to hold the world's largest collection of something? Something bigger than a flea? a gumball? a baseball? a basketball? a person? a refrigerator? a car? a house? Was it something he could buy? make?
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Was he trying to hold the world's largest collection of something? yes Something bigger than a flea?yes a gumball? yesa baseball? in some dimensions a basketball? no a person? noa refrigerator? no a car? no a house? no Was it something he could buy? no make? no
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His life was saved - would he have died by accident? Suicide? Homicide? Execution? Natural causes? Medical problems?

The items collected - did he acquire them for free? Did he trade something for them? Purchase them? Is the item a food of some sort?
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Without his ambition, would he have died by an accident? A crime? Execution? War? An illness? Poisoning? A natural disaster? Attack by an animal? Starvation? Thirst? Would there have been any chance for him to survive?

Did he use something in his collection to mitigate the danger? Did something in his collection help him without the need for him to use it? Did he apply some special knowledge he acquired while building up his collection? Did he get the help of another person? Is another person relevant at all?
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Without his ambition, would he have died by an accident? no A crime? no Execution? noWar? no An illness? yesPoisoning? noA natural disaster? no Attack by an animal? no Starvation? no Thirst? no Would there have been any chance for him to survive? Probably not

Did he use something in his collection to mitigate the danger? no Did something in his collection help him without the need for him to use it? no Did he apply some special knowledge he acquired while building up his collection? noDid he get the help of another person? yes Is another person relevant at all? yes
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Is the other person related to him? HAM? HAF? Is the "he" HAM? Did the other person save his life? Was the other person aided by the collection? Did the collection delay his death long enough for him to be saved?

And you missed my questions up there.
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His life was saved - would he have died by accident? Suicide? Homicide? Execution? Natural causes? Medical problems? Natural causes/medical problems

The items collected - did he acquire them for free? yes Did he trade something for them? noPurchase them? no Is the item a food of some sort? no
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Is the other person related to him? no HAM? HAF? HAM, but the male part is irrelIs the "he" HAM? yesDid the other person save his life? yesish Was the other person aided by the collection? no or noish Did the collection delay his death long enough for him to be saved? no

And you missed my questions up there. Rectified, with my apologies
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Wild guess: Were they drumsticks?

Did he acquire them in public? Did he create them? Grow them (i.e. in a garden)?
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Wild guess: Were they drumsticks? no

Did he acquire them in public? yopeDid he create them? no Grow them (i.e. in a garden)? no
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Did he get them from a public place? Did he store them all in one place?
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Did he get them from a public place? noish Did he store them all in one place? irrel
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Are the items edible? Made out of [LTPF list of materials]?
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Are the items edible? no Made out of [LTPF list of materials]? paper
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Are they documents of some sort? Records? Is the paper letter-sized? Legal-sized? Newspaper? Are they books?
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Are they documents of some sort? Not unless you use'documernt' broadly enough to apply to all paper with writing on itRecords? noIs the paper letter-sized? no Legal-sized? no Newspaper? noAre they books? no
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Are the papers intended to be read? Is it money? Foreign? Counterfeit?
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Would he have died by radiation poisoning?

Did his profession have anything to do with paper? Writing?
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if he had collected these items but not aimed for a world record collection would this still have had the same effect of saving his life?
could he have collected something else which would have led to the same effect?
if yes - is there a group of things which he might have collected? or would anything do? if a group - do they share something in common? size? being made of paper? the way they are obtained?

is it relevant whether he displayed his collection? how he discplayed it? who else knew about it? who else saw it?

did the collecting in some way stop him becoming ill in the first place? make his illness less severe? make him aware of his illness? somehow facilitate him getting medical care? help in the diagnosis? help decide the correct treatment? help him take the treatment? make the treatment work? make the treatment work faster? stop him from becoming severely ill? prevent complications from the treatemnt? prevent the treatment being stopped? preventted euthaniasia which might otherwise have been contemplated? make a resuscitation atttempt successful?

did the collection in some way prevent a mistake being made? prevent a misunderstanding? give a reason to live? give a reason to start/continue treatment? made his life somehow seem more 'worthwhile'?

did the collecting change someone else's opinion of him?
did he in fact get ill at all?
is it relevant what type of illness he might have died from? cancer? cardiovascular? musculoskeletal? infectious? dementia?
what part of the body would be affected? head? chest? heart? lungs? gut? muscles? bones? blood vessels? brain? kidneys/bladder?
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Are the papers intended to be read? yesishIs it money? no Foreign? Counterfeit?
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Would he have died by radiation poisoning? no

Did his profession have anything to do with paper? noWriting? no
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if he had collected these items but not aimed for a world record collection would this still have had the same effect of saving his life? no
could he have collected something else which would have led to the same effect? yes
if yes - is there a group of things which he might have collected? see next answeror would anything do? there are some limits if a group - do they share something in common? yes size? nobeing made of paper? nothe way they are obtained? yes

is it relevant whether he displayed his collection? nohow he discplayed it? no who else knew about it? yes who else saw it? no

did the collecting in some way stop him becoming ill in the first place? no make his illness less severe? no make him aware of his illness? no somehow facilitate him getting medical care? yes help in the diagnosis? yeshelp decide the correct treatment? yeshelp him take the treatment? yes make the treatment work? no make the treatment work faster? no stop him from becoming severely ill? yopeprevent complications from the treatemnt? noprevent the treatment being stopped? no preventted euthaniasia which might otherwise have been contemplated? no make a resuscitation atttempt successful? no

did the collection in some way prevent a mistake being made? yes prevent a misunderstanding? noish give a reason to live? no give a reason to start/continue treatment? no made his life somehow seem more 'worthwhile'? no

did the collecting change someone else's opinion of him?noish
did he in fact get ill at all? yes
is it relevant what type of illness he might have died from? yescancer? cardiovascular? musculoskeletal? infectious? dementia?
what part of the body would be affected? head? chest? heart? lungs? gut? muscles? bones? blood vessels? brain? kidneys/bladder? it was a brain tumor in the actual case, but other cancers would also work for this puzzle, as would some non-cancer diseases (e.g., some kinds of heart problems)
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did he get publicity for collecting the things? relevant? did that publicity lead to the diagnosis of his brain tumour?
was he on the TV? in the paper? relevant?

is the relevance of the world record that he went to extreme lengths to collect things?
did he meet someone in the course of collecting? someone who realised he was sick? a doctor?

did he have relevant symptoms? that were recognised by someone ? who advised him to get a medical check?

or did the collecting in some way lead him to have a medical check of some sort? that then showed up the tumour?
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did he get publicity for collecting the things? yes relevant? yes did that publicity lead to the diagnosis of his brain tumour? no
was he on the TV? I[m not sure in the paper? yes relevant? yes

is the relevance of the world record that he went to extreme lengths to collect things? yope
did he meet someone in the course of collecting? yes someone who realised he was sick? no a doctor?yes

did he have relevant symptoms? noish that were recognised by someone ? noish who advised him to get a medical check? yope

or did the collecting in some way lead him to have a medical check of some sort? yesthat then showed up the tumour? no

This is close enough for me to declare a
***** SPOILER ************
Craig Shergold, a British child who was dying of a brain tumor, had a last wish of getting into the Guinness Book of Records for receiving the largest number of get-well cards. This wish was publicized & soon came true, because everyone wants to grant the last wish of a dying child. Everyone thought is was so beautiful and wonderful that Chris would get to die happy & fulfilled, except for one American billionaire. Being the sort of crass rich American who thinks that the way to solve a problem is to throw money at it, he paid to have Craig flown to the US & operated on by a top surgeon, who removed the tumor. Craig is now a healthy adult, because--guess what--sometimes the way to solve a problem is to throw money at it.What if you don't have money? That's why we need national health insurance, which America is finally about to get. I hope this means that everyone will be able to get Craig's sort of care here.And what's the way to solve a puzzle? Throw questions at it. Please do so with my new puzzle at the bottom of the page.
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Here is a link to the Craig Shergold story.
http://www.livinginternet.com/i/ia_myths_craig.htm
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Hi Felicia Nimue,

Nice puzzle!

I don't quite follow your reasoning though about this story showing the need for National Health Insurance in the US since Craig lived in a country which should have been able to provide him with good healthcare at no cost to his family through the NHS. (NHS care is generally good - often excellent, sometimes less good) Not sure what happened in this case - but how does his story back up the argument for national health insurance in the US? (Which I totally agree with by the way) Just can't follow your logic - and as it is usually so impecable that worries me!
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I think that this story illustrates how the U.S. has the best health care that money can buy. Conservatives often use it to argue that America's health care is better than the UK's--after all, the NHS didn't save Craig. But it's only for the rich (& for well-insured members of the middle class) that America's health care is so wonderful. We need national health insurance so all Americans can have the sort of care that Craig got. It will be very expensive, but America is a very rich country. Saving human lives is better than keeping low taxes for the rich or using money for things like waging war or saving endangered piping plovers & the like rather than endangered humans
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I see. As an advocate of evidence based medicine and evidence based policy I don't think I can accept one anecdote to judge the entire American Medical System - but I know it is generally held to be extremely good at this kind of thing. (And I agree with much of what you say further)

Unfortunately we live in a world where people want everything - low taxes and wonderful healthcare. Healthcare is always rationed - though that word is seldom used. Here we have a pot of money (quite a large one) and we seek to share it out in a fair and transparent way according to need - using effectiveness and cost effectiveness of treatments as our guide. But even if we had endless amount of money there are still treatments/tests that we should not fund - in my opinion - those that do more harm than good (for instance universal screening for prostate cancer which is often advocated in the US). It may be paternalistic of me - but I think there is a place for sound evidence based policy to protect people from things that sound like a good idea to them (and are often promoted for commercial gain by pharmaceutical companies and the like).
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I offered the anecdote as anecdotal evidence, not as proof. I'm all for evidence-based medicine, provided this isn't used as a cover for refusing to fund a treatment with, say, a 10% success rate when withholding the treatment would be certain death. Drug companies have a motive for claiming that expensive drugs are effective & healthcare rationers have a motive for claiming they are not. Both sides' claims about evidence should be taken with a whole shaker of salt. (And if rich people want low taxes, tough!)
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I'll leave it here Felicia Nimue - as you know I could go on all night about this..

Just want to say - for anyone in the UK reading - we really do try very very hard to be fair, and we really do care about individual patients as well as the whole population - deciding whether to pay for treatments is a hard, thankless job done by good people who sweat blood over it...
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I could go on all night, too, but, like you, I'll resist the temptation. Of course, I recognize some healthcare rationing is inevitable & that "deciding whether to pay for treatments is a hard, thankless job done by. . .people who sweat blood over it..." I even agree that many of these people are good. But every profession has some bad apples, and even decision-makers who are basically good may be affected by their prejudices. When this happens, criticism & correction is literally vital, since people's lives are at stake.
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Agreed...

I've got some questions on your new puzzle - then I'm afraid it's bedtime..
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Thanks--I'm getting to them right now!!

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