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Galfisk (Galfisk)
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Posted on Wednesday, July 28, 2010 - 1:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A find led me to believe it would be easy. Hopefully nobody's angry about it.
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Posted on Wednesday, July 28, 2010 - 3:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"It" #1 = an action? An object? "Find" = an object?

Is the LTPF relevant? Is skydiving?
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Posted on Wednesday, July 28, 2010 - 3:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"It" #1 = an action? This. An object? "Find" = an object? Yes.

Is the LTPF relevant? Assume no. Is skydiving? No.
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Does the action involve another person? An object? The "find" object? Is the action typically done indoors? Outdoors? For work? For leisure?
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Does the action involve another person? An object? this. The "find" object? No. Is the action typically done indoors? This. Outdoors? For work? For leisure? This.
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Exercise relevant? Is the object electronic? Portable? Is the action typically done in a specific room? If so, [LTPF list of rooms in a house]?
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Exercise relevant? No. Is the object electronic? No. Portable? Yes. Is the action typically done in a specific room? Yope. If so, [LTPF list of rooms in a house]? I did it in the common wash room.
**BLOOPER** Many do the action for work, though I didn't.
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Is this done at work? Does it involve washing up?
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Is this done at work? Can be. Does it involve washing up? No.
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Posted on Thursday, July 29, 2010 - 4:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did you do this thing in the washroom for privacy? Acoustics relevant? Did it require water? Soap? Paper towels? Toilet paper? Any other item in the washroom?
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Posted on Thursday, July 29, 2010 - 4:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did you do this thing in the washroom for privacy? No. Acoustics relevant? No. Did it require water? Soap? Paper towels? Toilet paper? No to all. Any other item in the washroom? Yes.
Clarification: by washroom I mean laundry room, not bathroom/shower.
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Whoops.

Did it require laundry detergent? A towel? Is the act washing something? Drying something? Your clothes?
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Did it require laundry detergent? A towel? Is the act washing something? Drying something? Your clothes? No to all.
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Did the action involve carrying something? Is the item required a laundry basket?
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Did the action involve carrying something? Is the item required a laundry basket? No to both. It's not that relevant that I did it in the laundry room, other people do it in very different places.
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Size of the room relevant? Relevant that it's a common washroom? Are other people in the room when you do this? Do they help you do this?
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Size of the room relevant? No. Relevant that it's a common washroom? Yes. Are other people in the room when you do this? No. Do they help you do this? Noish.
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Are other people's things relevant? Their clothes? Their laundry?
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Are other people's things relevant? Yesish. Their clothes? Their laundry? No to both.
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Do you intend to do this thing alone? Do you want the help of others? Do the other people leave things behind in the washroom? Relevant?
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Do you intend to do this thing alone? Yes. Do you want the help of others? No. Do the other people leave things behind in the washroom? Relevant? Irr.
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Does the action involve lifting something? Heavy? Moving something? Heavy? Does it involve the washing machine? Dryer?
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Does the action involve lifting something? Heavy? Moving something? This. Heavy? Does it involve the washing machine? Dryer? No to all else.
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Do you move the item by pushing it? Pulling? Pulling something attached to it? Are pulleys relevant? Does it need to go up stairs? Down stairs?
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Do you move the item by pushing it? This... Pulling? Pulling something attached to it? And this. Are pulleys relevant? Does it need to go up stairs? Down stairs? No to the rest.
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Are you shaking the item? Does the item need to go from point A to point B? Will it stay at point B? Or return to its original location? Is the item being pushed along the floor? Is it larger than a microwave? Than a dryer?
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Are you shaking the item? No, but... Does the item need to go from point A to point B? Yes. Will it stay at point B? For the time being. Or return to its original location? Is the item being pushed along the floor? Is it larger than a microwave? Than a dryer? No to the rest.
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Does the item have a handle? Wheels? Are points A and B in the same room? Along a wall? The same wall? Are you lifting the item in order to move it? Is it difficult to keep the item balanced as you move it? Would it easily tip over/fall down if you didn't balance it? Do you need to keep the item balanced?
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Does the item have a handle? Wheels? No to both. Are points A and B in the same room? Along a wall? The same wall? Yes to all. Are you lifting the item in order to move it? Yope. Is it difficult to keep the item balanced as you move it? Would it easily tip over/fall down if you didn't balance it? Do you need to keep the item balanced? No to all.
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Are you tilting the item in order to move it? Is the object rectangular in shape? Are you tipping it over and over in order to move it along the wall?
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Are you tilting the item in order to move it? Irr. Is the object rectangular in shape? Partly. Are you tipping it over and over in order to move it along the wall? No.
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Do you push the item partway, then pull it? Vice versa? Do you switch several times along the wall? Or are you pushing/pulling simultaneously?

Is it difficult because of the item itself? The floor? The wall? The shape of the item? Its weight?
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Do you push the item partway, then pull it? Vice versa? Do you switch several times along the wall? This. Or are you pushing/pulling simultaneously?

Is it difficult because of the item itself? This. The floor? The wall? Something on the wall is also involved. The shape of the item? Thisish. Its weight?
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Is the item tall? Wide? Large? Is the "something on the wall" a washing machine? Dryer? Shelf? Is it hanging on the wall? Attached to it? With nails?
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Is the item tall? Wide? Large? No to all. Is the "something on the wall" a washing machine? Dryer? Shelf? No to all. Is it hanging on the wall? Attached to it? Yes to both. With nails? Irr.
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Is the wall-thing sticking out from the wall? Flat against it? Is this item wide? Tall? Large?

Is the item you're moving bigger than a microwave? Is it a microwave? Is it electronic? Does it have many parts? Does it move when in use? Is it a clock?
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Is the wall-thing sticking out from the wall? Flat against it? This. Is this item wide? Tall? Large? Wide, not so tall, not so large.

Is the item you're moving bigger than a microwave? Is it a microwave? Is it electronic? No to all. Does it have many parts? I'd say so. Does it move when in use? DYOD of "use". Is it a clock? No.
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Is the moving item made of [LTPF list of materials]? Are the "many parts" made of the same material? Different ones?

Is the wall item made of paper? Is it a poster? Banner? Calendar?
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Is the moving item made of [LTPF list of materials]? Are the "many parts" made of the same material? Different ones? It's all metal.

Is the wall item made of paper? Is it a poster? Banner? No to all. Calendar? Yesish.
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Does the wall item measure time? Is it a chart of some sort? Can the moving item be lifted? Did it require a lot of effort to move? Is it a tool of some sort? Would it normally be found in a laudry room? Another room?
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Does the wall item measure time? No, but... Is it a chart of some sort? I think it can be called a chart, yes. Can the moving item be lifted? Yes. Did it require a lot of effort to move? DYOD of effort. Is it a tool of some sort? No. Would it normally be found in a laudry room? Yes. Another room? Other versions of it, yes.
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Does the metal item measure something? Does it contain something? Detergent?

Is the wall item made of [LTPF list of materials]?
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**BLOOPER** - the specific moving item would not normally be found in a private laundry room, only a shared one.
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Does the metal item measure something? Does it contain something? Detergent? No to all.

Is the wall item made of [LTPF list of materials]? Metal.
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Are coins relevant? Is either item a quarter? A bunch of quarters? Do you have to pay to use the laundry? Relevant?
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Are coins relevant? Is either item a quarter? A bunch of quarters? Do you have to pay to use the laundry? No, but... Relevant? No to the rest.
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Is either item relevant to turning on the washer? Dryer?
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Is either item relevant to turning on the washer? Dryer? No to both.
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Do you have to swipe an identification card to use the laundry? If not, something similar? Are only certain people allowed to use the laundry?
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Do you have to swipe an identification card to use the laundry? No. If not, something similar? Yes. Are only certain people allowed to use the laundry? Yes.
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Do you have to somehow identify yourself when using the laundry? Is either of the items your means of identification?
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Do you have to somehow identify yourself when using the laundry? Sort of, yes. Is either of the items your means of identification? Yes, except it belongs to someone else (mine is also present, but not involved).
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Are you retrieving someone else's means of ID? Is the identification item the one on the wall? The moving item?
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Are you retrieving someone else's means of ID? Not retrieving, but... Is the identification item the one on the wall? The moving item? This.
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Are you moving their means of ID? Is it supposed to be where it is? Where you're moving it to?
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Are you moving their means of ID? Yes! Is it supposed to be where it is? Yes. Where you're moving it to? Noish.
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Does the owner of the ID want it moved? Are you doing it to annoy him?
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Does the owner of the ID want it moved? No. Are you doing it to annoy him? No, that's not my goal. I move several ones, but only the ones that would annoy the owners the least.
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Are you moving it to make a path? To clear room on the floor?
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Are you moving it to make a path? To clear room on the floor? No to both. They're small and sit on the thing on the wall.
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Are you changing the order of the IDs? To make it easier to tell whose is whose? To put them in a certain order?
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Are you changing the order of the IDs? Yesish. To make it easier to tell whose is whose? To put them in a certain order? Because I can. The find led me to believe doing this would be easy, and hopefully the owners are not angry about it.
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Are you moving several IDs? Are they lockers? Locker keys? Something else? Is it difficult because there are more than you thought?
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Are you moving several IDs? Yes. Are they lockers? Locker keys? No to both, but OTRT! Something else? Yes... Is it difficult because there are more than you thought? No.
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Are the items keys? Keycards? Do they unlock something? The washer/dryer?
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Are the items keys? No, but OTRT. Keycards? No. Do they unlock something? No, but... The washer/dryer? No.
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Do the items have a use other than identification?
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Do the items have a use other than identification? Yes, in combination with the attached-to-the-wall item.
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Is the attached-to-wall item used for storage? Does it contain something? Do the IDs lock something?
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Is the attached-to-wall item used for storage? Noish. Does it contain something? The IDs. Do the IDs lock something? They lock themselves to the wall thingie.
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Did you have to unlock, then relock, the IDs to the wall thingy? Do the IDs require a code to unlock? A password? A key?
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Did you have to unlock, then relock, the IDs to the wall thingy? Indeed. Do the IDs require a code to unlock? A password? A key? This.
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Was your find the key? Does the key work for all the IDs? Or do you need different keys for each ID? Which you didn't have?
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Was your find the key? I do have the key to my own lock only. Does the key work for all the IDs? Yesish. Or do you need different keys for each ID? Yesish. Which you didn't have? Correct.
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Does your key work in the other locks? Did you find the keys for the other locks? Were they labelled?
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Does your key work in the other locks? Yesish. Did you find the keys for the other locks? Were they labelled? No to the rest.
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Did your key open the other locks? Did the locks open, but fail to release the IDs? Did you try your key in the other locks?
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Did your key open the other locks? Yes, but... Did the locks open, but fail to release the IDs? The locks are the "IDs" pretty much. The wall thing is a calendar board, with holes where you can attach a lock with your apartment number to book a washing time. Did you try your key in the other locks? Yes, but there's more to it.
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Was the intent to change the order of washing times? Were you able to do so?
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Was the intent to change the order of washing times? Yope. Were you able to do so? Yes.
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Was the intent to get yourself a washing time? A better one? Were you able to do so? Did it take you a long time to do this? Did anyone see you while you were messing with the IDs?
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Was the intent to get yourself a washing time? A better one? No to both. Were you able to do so? I could if I would. That probably would piss people off though. Did it take you a long time to do this? No. Did anyone see you while you were messing with the IDs? No.
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Were you trying to arrange the IDs in a particular order? The correct one? Does the order have anything to do with washing times?
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Were you trying to arrange the IDs in a particular order? No. The correct one? FA. Does the order have anything to do with washing times? Yes.
This part is already solved - I was unlocking other people's locks. My own key was involved, nobody else's. I moved them essentially for fun/as proof that I could. I only moved bookings for times that had been used recently, not for times to be used in the near future, so as to not piss off anyone.

How did I do this, and what did I find that made me believe it would be easy to do?
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Is there a correct order?

Did you have another key with you? A copy of the key? Did your find help you open the locks? Was the find a key?
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Is there a correct order? No.

Did you have another key with you? A copy of the key? No to both. Did your find help you open the locks? Indirectly. Was the find a key? No, but close.
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Did the find enable you to believe that your key would open the locks? Was it a lock? And your key worked in it?
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Did the find enable you to believe that your key would open the locks? Yes! Was it a lock? Yope! And your key worked in it? No.
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Was the find a diagram of some sort? Of the keys? Locks?
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Was the find a diagram of some sort? No, but very close. Of the keys? Locks? this.
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Was it the blueprint of the locks? Something that showed their interior? A picture? An X-ray picture?
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Was it the blueprint of the locks? No. Something that showed their interior? Yes indeed. A picture? An X-ray picture? Even better than any of the above.
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Was it an opened-up lock? A broken lock? A lock in production? A lock where you could see the interior? Half of a lock?
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Was it an opened-up lock? A broken lock? A lock in production? A lock where you could see the interior? Half of a lock? This, pretty much.
***SPOILER***
I found a cylinder that had fallen out of a cheap bike lock at work. I found out that:
1. The locking "pins" extend to both sides of the cylinder.
2. The default position is that they stick out on alternating sides
3. The locks are cheaply made with wide tolerances.
I realized that by twisting the key in the lock while raking the key in and out, I could make the pins catch and align pretty easily. It worked on about half of the locks I tried it on, so I moved some of them around for fun.

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