| Author | Message | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5669 Registered: 8-2001 |
A pernicious false claim that is often made about families was actually true of my unpernicious family. How come? | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 1041 Registered: 7-2001 |
does the claim relate to: money? health? education? romance? crime? genetic inheritance? selfishness? greed? secretiveness? politics? jobs? hobbies? race? the law? art? sport? competitiveness? jealousy? religion? idleness? small mindedness? is the claim about the effect upon children of their family life? the relationship between parents and children? between siblings? is the claim made usually by people about their own families? to explain their own problems? or failings? is it a claim made about particular families? or the general idea of families? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5672 Registered: 8-2001 |
Kdoc (Kdoc) New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 1041 Registered: 7-2001 Posted on Sunday, August 01, 2010 - 12:03 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) does the claim relate to: money? noish health? yeseducation? no romance? nocrime? nogenetic inheritance? noselfishness? yesish greed? possibly secretiveness? nopolitics? nojobs? no hobbies? norace? no the law? noart? nosport? nocompetitiveness? nojealousy? religion? no small-mindedness? possibly is the claim about the effect upon children of their family life? no the relationship between parents and children? noish between siblings? noish is the claim made usually by people about their own families? yes to explain their own problems? possibly or failings? ditto is it a claim made about particular families? or the general idea of families? both | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2669 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is inheritance relevant? Gift-giving? Are holidays relevant? Rewards for school grades? Is food relevant? Are one's parents relevant? Children? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5676 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2669 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Sunday, August 01, 2010 - 4:29 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is inheritance relevant? noGift-giving? noAre holidays relevant? noRewards for school grades? No--yeech. My parents never did that! Is food relevant? noAre one's parents relevant? the cliche is about families in general Children? ditto | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2689 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the size of the family relevant? Single-parent families? Same-gender-parent families? Families with only 1 child? Many? None? Adoption relevant? Blended families? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5680 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2689 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Sunday, August 01, 2010 - 11:18 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is the size of the family relevant? Single-parent families? Same-gender-parent families? Families with only 1 child? Many? None? Adoption relevant? Blended families? None of these is relevant | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2700 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the claim made about all families? Families with a certain characteristic? A certain set of values? Beliefs? Rules? Actions? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5683 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2700 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Sunday, August 01, 2010 - 11:51 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is the claim made about all families? noish Families with a certain characteristic? yesishA certain set of values? noishBeliefs? no Rules? no Actions? noish or no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2703 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is a reward system relevant? Chores? Other duties? Homework? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5686 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2703 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Monday, August 02, 2010 - 1:25 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is a reward system relevant? no Chores? no Other duties? no Homework? no | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2928 Registered: 9-2009 |
Food relevant? Weight problems? Addiction? Family conflicts? Laziness? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5690 Registered: 8-2001 |
Galfisk (Galfisk) New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2928 Registered: 9-2009 Posted on Tuesday, August 03, 2010 - 7:58 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Food relevant? no Weight problems? noAddiction? possibly but not necessarilyFamily conflicts? yesish or yopeLaziness? no | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 1043 Registered: 7-2001 |
so the claim relates to health? physical health? longevity? susceptibility to disease? healthcare? mental health? and the claim somehwat relates to selfishness and possibly to greed and small mindedness? would the claimant usually be saying something negative about their own family? but for your family, although it is true it is not in fact negative? or are you saying that there is indeed a relevant negative feature of your family? family conflicts are somewhat relevant - is it relevant what these conflicts are about? who takes part? how they start? where they are carried out? how they are resolved? whether they are resolved? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5697 Registered: 8-2001 |
Kdoc (Kdoc) New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 1043 Registered: 7-2001 Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2010 - 10:05 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) so the claim relates to health? yes physical health? yes longevity?not specifically susceptibility to disease? possibly healthcare? yesmental health? possibly and the claim somehwat relates to selfishness and possibly to greed and small mindedness? yes would the claimant usually be saying something negative about their own family?yope but for your family, although it is true it is not in fact negative? yesor are you saying that there is indeed a relevant negative feature of your family?no family conflicts are somewhat relevant - is it relevant what these conflicts are about yes who takes part? yeshow they start? yope where they are carried out? nohow they are resolved? noish whether they are resolved? no | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5713 Registered: 8-2001 |
HINT: Think of a very common claim about patients, families, & illness. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2874 Registered: 4-2010 |
Inheriting diseases genetically relevant? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5716 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2874 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Friday, August 06, 2010 - 10:07 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Inheriting diseases genetically relevant? no | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 1049 Registered: 7-2001 |
is the claim about a lack of illness in the family? about hypochondria? about preventative measures for good health? about screening? about medicines? about hospitals? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5718 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2874 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Friday, August 06, 2010 - 10:07 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Inheriting diseases genetically relevant? no Nimue (Nimue) New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5716 Registered: 8-2001 Posted on Friday, August 06, 2010 - 10:09 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2874 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Friday, August 06, 2010 - 10:07 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Inheriting diseases genetically relevant? no Kdoc (Kdoc) New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 1049 Registered: 7-2001 Posted on Sunday, August 08, 2010 - 4:20 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) is the claim about a lack of illness in the family?no about hypochondria? no about preventative measures for good health? no about screening? noabout medicines? noabout hospitals? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2949 Registered: 4-2010 |
Health insurance relevant? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5727 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2949 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Monday, August 09, 2010 - 3:14 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Health insurance relevant? possiblyish | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 1056 Registered: 7-2001 |
is the claim 'my family makes me sick!' and for some reason yours literally does make you ill? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5738 Registered: 8-2001 |
Kdoc (Kdoc) New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 1056 Registered: 7-2001 Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2010 - 10:09 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) is the claim 'my family makes me sick!' and for some reason yours literally does make you ill? Cute!! But no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3007 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the word "sick" relevant? Is the claim about your immediate family? Extended family? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5743 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3007 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2010 - 11:24 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is the word "sick" relevant? noIs the claim about your immediate family? yes Extended family? no | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5756 Registered: 8-2001 |
HINT: THis is one of the commonest cliches about the families of seriously ill patients. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3403 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are hospital bills relevant? Desire to keep the patient alive? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5759 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3403 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Friday, August 20, 2010 - 5:02 pm: Are hospital bills relevant? yesish Desire to keep the patient alive? possibly, but the scrund is (HINT) much more general than either of these | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3453 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is any aspect of the patient relevant? Age? Gender? Specific illness? Is it that relatives will give up work (or even retire - re Lou Piniella) to care for the sick patient? Vice versa? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5763 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3453 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Monday, August 23, 2010 - 1:46 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is any aspect of the patient relevant? yope Age? noGender? no Specific illness? noish Is it that relatives will give up work (or even retire - re Lou Piniella) to care for the sick patient?no Vice versa? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3483 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the sick patient deathly ill? Or will they recover? Relevant? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5766 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3483 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Monday, August 23, 2010 - 8:34 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is the sick patient deathly ill?if you're asking aboiut my family, no Or will they recover?irrel Relevant? no | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 1060 Registered: 7-2001 |
the pernicious false claim - does it relate to the way a family behaves if one of them is seriously ill? to the way they treat that person? to the extent to which they wish to pay for the care of that person? is the claim that the family wishes the person would just die? to save them 'losing' money on treating the person? that they will be glad when the person dies? that it will be better for the family if the person dies? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5768 Registered: 8-2001 |
Kdoc (Kdoc) New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 1060 Registered: 7-2001 Posted on Monday, August 23, 2010 - 9:28 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) the pernicious false claim - does it relate to the way a family behaves if one of them is seriously ill? yope to the way they treat that person? ditto to the extent to which they wish to pay for the care of that person? yope is the claim that the family wishes the person would just die? noish to save them 'losing' money on treating the person? noish that they will be glad when the person dies? noish that it will be better for the family if the person dies? noish | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3062 Registered: 9-2009 |
Sympathy for the sick relevant? Financial support? Emotional support? Visits? Gifts? Is the patient bedridden? In hospital? At home? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5772 Registered: 8-2001 |
Galfisk (Galfisk) New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3062 Registered: 9-2009 Posted on Tuesday, August 24, 2010 - 10:09 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Sympathy for the sick relevant? yes Financial support? possibly Emotional support? probablyVisits? not specificallyGifts? dittoIs the patient bedridden? in my family:no; in general: possiblyIn hospital? ditto At home? in my family: yes; in general: possibly | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3087 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is the claim that the sick: get lots of sympathy? No sympathy? Undeserved sympathy? Takes advantage of relatives? Takes advantage of being sick? Pretends being sicker that they really are? Does the scrund cover the person being sick? Or only the people around them? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5775 Registered: 8-2001 |
Galfisk (Galfisk) New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3087 Registered: 9-2009 Posted on Tuesday, August 24, 2010 - 9:18 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is the claim that the sick: get lots of sympathy? no No sympathy? no Undeserved sympathy? yope Takes advantage of relatives? noish Takes advantage of being sick? npoishPretends being sicker that they really are? noDoes the scrund cover the person being sick? yes Or only the people around them?the scrund covers the patient & his family | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3134 Registered: 9-2009 |
Are people outside the family relevant to the scrund? Providers of medical care? Financial support? Such as welfare? Employer of the sick person relevant? It taking advantage of someone relevant? Or of something? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5782 Registered: 8-2001 |
Galfisk (Galfisk) New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3134 Registered: 9-2009 Posted on Thursday, August 26, 2010 - 9:47 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Are people outside the family relevant to the scrund? noishProviders of medical care? no, except that they often express the scrund, tooFinancial support? noSuch as welfare? Employer of the sick person relevant? no It taking advantage of someone relevant? noish Or of something? ditto | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3154 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is it thet the sick gets: more sympathy than they deserve? Less? Sympathy from other parts of the family than they in fact do? Visitors to the sick relevant? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5785 Registered: 8-2001 |
Galfisk (Galfisk) New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3154 Registered: 9-2009 Posted on Friday, August 27, 2010 - 11:09 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is it thet the sick gets: more sympathy than they deserve? yesish, i.s. yesiush, this is the scrund Less? no Sympathy from other parts of the family than they in fact do? noishVisitors to the sick relevant? not specifically | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 1067 Registered: 7-2001 |
is the pernicious false claim that families, after a while, cease to have sympathy for a family member who has a long term illness? is the claim that the family cares more for a family member when they are sick than when they are well? less? is the claim that it's somehow 'good' for a family to cope with a sick member? that it 'brings the family together'? makes them reassess their priorities? that nothing else matters? that they discontinue their normal lives while that member is sick? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5791 Registered: 8-2001 |
Kdoc (Kdoc) New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 1067 Registered: 7-2001 Posted on Saturday, August 28, 2010 - 5:34 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) is the pernicious false claim that families, after a while, cease to have sympathy for a family member who has a long term illness? no is the claim that the family cares more for a family member when they are sick than when they are well? no less? no is the claim that it's somehow 'good' for a family to cope with a sick member? no that it 'brings the family together'? no makes them reassess their priorities? no that nothing else matters? nothat they discontinue their normal lives while that member is sick?no, but this question is ORT | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 1068 Registered: 7-2001 |
is the claim to do with how much the family would sacrifice for a sick member? should sacrifice? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5802 Registered: 8-2001 |
Kdoc (Kdoc) New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 1068 Registered: 7-2001 Posted on Monday, August 30, 2010 - 3:08 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) is the claim to do with how much the family would sacrifice for a sick member? no, but you're ORT should sacrifice? ditto | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3763 Registered: 4-2010 |
Does the claim involve how much the family would care for the sick member? How much they'd pay for the treatment? How much time they'd spend with the patient? How much effort they'd put into helping the patient get better? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5817 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3763 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Wednesday, September 01, 2010 - 10:34 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Does the claim involve how much the family would care for the sick member? yesish or yopeHow much they'd pay for the treatment? yope How much time they'd spend with the patient? yopeHow much effort they'd put into helping the patient get better? yope | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3858 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are any other people relevant besides the family and the sick person? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5819 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3858 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Saturday, September 04, 2010 - 3:22 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Are any other people relevant besides the family and the sick person? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3909 Registered: 4-2010 |
Does the claim involve how much time the family would spend with the sick person? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5828 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3909 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Monday, September 06, 2010 - 2:19 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Does the claim involve how much time the family would spend with the sick person? not specifically | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 1076 Registered: 7-2001 |
I'm lost on this one ... just going round in circles with no loose end to tease out.. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3948 Registered: 4-2010 |
I second that...could you please recap? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5831 Registered: 8-2001 |
Kdoc (Kdoc) New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 1076 Registered: 7-2001 Posted on Monday, September 06, 2010 - 9:43 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) I'm lost on this one ... just going round in circles with no loose end to tease out.. Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3948 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Monday, September 06, 2010 - 9:51 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) I second that...could you please recap? Add the following to the puzzle description: The claim in question is about how medical problems affects the patient & his family. HINT: Find out what the relevant medical condition in my family was & who had it. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3978 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the condition terminal? Expensive to treat? Did it require a long hospital stay? Is it cancer? The one who had it - HAM? HAF? HCM? HCF? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5833 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 3978 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Tuesday, September 07, 2010 - 6:02 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Was the condition terminal? no Expensive to treat? noDid it require a long hospital stay? none at all Is it cancer? noThe one who had it - HAM? HAF? HCM? HCF? my mother, & yes, she's human | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4017 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did I seriously include the H when it was obvious? Wow, I must have been running on automatic LTPF-mode. Did she need surgery? Bypass surgery? A transplant? Something removed (like an appendectomy)? An amputation? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5836 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4017 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2010 - 1:11 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did I seriously include the H when it was obvious? Wow, I must have been running on automatic LTPF-mode. Did she need surgery? Bypass surgery? A transplant? Something removed (like an appendectomy)? An amputation? none of these | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5849 Registered: 8-2001 |
HINT: A comparison is involved here. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4736 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the condition in an early stage? Moderate? Deep? Did the condition have stages at all? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5860 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4736 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Monday, September 20, 2010 - 1:07 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Was the condition in an early stage? Moderate? Deep? Did the condition have stages at all? No real stages with my mother's medical problem. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5113 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did she have a fracture? A bone break? A sprain? Did she need a cast? Crutches? A cane? A sling? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5873 Registered: 8-2001 |
RECAP + HINT: The claim is about families where one member has a medical problem, and it involves a comparative statement. In my family, the person with the problem was my mother, & the problem was not life-threatening & did not require hospitalization. Find out EXACTLY what her medical problem is. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5121 Registered: 4-2010 |
We crossed on my last set of questions.... Did she simply have a cold? A fever? Migraines? A high fever? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5877 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5113 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Saturday, September 25, 2010 - 9:03 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did she have a fracture? A bone break? A sprain? Did she need a cast? Crutches? A cane? A sling? no to all | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5878 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5121 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Saturday, September 25, 2010 - 9:49 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) We crossed on my last set of questions.... Did she simply have a cold? A fever? Migraines? A high fever? no to all | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5140 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did her condition involve a specific body part? Or did it apply to the entire body? Is it Alzheimer's? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5883 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5140 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Sunday, September 26, 2010 - 2:09 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did her condition involve a specific body part? no Or did it apply to the entire body? yes Is it Alzheimer's? nonononono--my mother is about as close to having Alzheimer's as Michael Jordan is to being papaplegic | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5207 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was it a problem with her nerves? Muscles? Bones? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5885 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5207 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Monday, September 27, 2010 - 8:52 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Was it a problem with her nerves? Muscles? Bones? no to all | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5358 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is it a skin condition? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5886 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5358 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Tuesday, September 28, 2010 - 10:05 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is it a skin condition? no | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5890 Registered: 8-2001 |
BLOOOOOOOOOPERRRRRRRRALERTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!Did her condition involve a specific body part? no Or did it apply to the entire body? yesActually, one bodily system was affected more than others. FIND OUT WHICH ONE. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5710 Registered: 4-2010 |
Skeletal? Muscular? Reproductive? Endocrine? Nervous? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5896 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5710 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Monday, October 04, 2010 - 9:07 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Skeletal?noMuscular? Reproductive? Endocrine? Nervous? no to all so consider what's left. (Muscles may be involved but certainly not all muscles | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5814 Registered: 4-2010 |
Cardiovascular? Digestive? Excretory? Immune? Integumentary? Respiratory? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5900 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5814 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Tuesday, October 05, 2010 - 7:42 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Cardiovascular? no Digestive? no Excretory? no Immune? noIntegumentary? noRespiratory? yes | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5856 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did she have asthma? Trouble breathing? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5902 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5856 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Tuesday, October 05, 2010 - 9:33 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did she have asthma? no but you're ORT Trouble breathing? ditto: LOOK FOR SOMETHING MORE SPECIFIC!! | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5884 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the problem with her lungs? Her trachea? Did she have diminished lung capacity? Due to smoking? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5903 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5884 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Wednesday, October 06, 2010 - 1:19 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Was the problem with her lungs? yesishHer trachea? no Did she have diminished lung capacity? no Due to smoking? no, so the health police can't blame her | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 6072 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the problem with a part of her lungs? One lung? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5906 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 6072 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Thursday, October 07, 2010 - 7:49 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Was the problem with a part of her lungs? yesish One lung? Both equally. HINT: You're overlooking something REALLY OIBVIOUS. What's a VERY COMMON sort of respiratory problem?? I bet some people on this forum have it! | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 508 Registered: 9-2010 |
A cough? Choking? Food/drink getting into the trachea? Asthma? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 6123 Registered: 4-2010 |
Hiccups? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5907 Registered: 8-2001 |
Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin) New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 508 Registered: 9-2010 Posted on Thursday, October 07, 2010 - 9:43 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) A cough? a cough is involved, but find out more Choking? no Food/drink getting into the trachea? no Asthma? no Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 6123 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Thursday, October 07, 2010 - 9:55 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Hiccups? no | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 510 Registered: 9-2010 |
bronchitis? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5912 Registered: 8-2001 |
Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin) New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 510 Registered: 9-2010 Posted on Thursday, October 07, 2010 - 10:18 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) bronchitis? No. HINT: It's a condition that I bet several people on this forum have RIGHT NOW. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 6223 Registered: 4-2010 |
A cold? (Don't tell me it was that easy...please...) | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 572 Registered: 9-2010 |
If that's it, I'm going to kick myself... | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5915 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 6223 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Friday, October 08, 2010 - 7:17 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) A cold? (Don't tell me it was that easy...please...) Not a cold, but when you get the correct answer, you'll see it was almost that easy. Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin) New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 572 Registered: 9-2010 Posted on Friday, October 08, 2010 - 7:45 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) If that's it, I'm going to kick myself... See above & guess the right answer before you make a final kicking decision. | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 576 Registered: 9-2010 |
The flu? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5916 Registered: 8-2001 |
Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin) New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 576 Registered: 9-2010 Posted on Friday, October 08, 2010 - 8:42 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) The flu? no--you're all overlooking something REALLY OBVIOUS | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 39 Registered: 9-2010 |
Snoring? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5917 Registered: 8-2001 |
Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn) New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 39 Registered: 9-2010 Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2010 - 3:16 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Snoring? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 6237 Registered: 4-2010 |
Runny nose? Constant cough? Sneezing? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5918 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 6237 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2010 - 7:41 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Runny nose? Constant cough? Sneezing? The cough was intermittent, but otherwise, she had these symptoms. FIND OUT THE CAUSE!!! | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 6272 Registered: 4-2010 |
Sore throat? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 6273 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did she have allergies? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5921 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 6272 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2010 - 8:53 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Sore throat? see below Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 6273 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2010 - 8:53 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did she have allergies? Yes. Now find out WHAT SHE WAS ALLERGIC TO!! | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 6287 Registered: 4-2010 |
Nuts? Fish? Pollen? Cats? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5924 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 6287 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Monday, October 11, 2010 - 12:01 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Nuts? Fish? Pollen? Cats? CATS!!!!!! Now look at my registration page for this forum. | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 46 Registered: 9-2010 |
OOh, I see a cat. Is that cat yours? Mama Nimue's? Papa Nimue's? Does it make Mama Sick? Dead? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5929 Registered: 8-2001 |
Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn) New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 46 Registered: 9-2010 Posted on Monday, October 11, 2010 - 4:11 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) OOh, I see a cat.a BEAUTIFUL cat!!!!!!! Is that cat yours? yesMama Nimue's? noPapa Nimue's? no Does it make Mama Sick? Actually, she's no longer allergic, but when she was, it would have made her sneeze & sneeze & sneeze Dead? No--she wasn't THAT allergic! | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 6422 Registered: 4-2010 |
Would your mother not come to your house? And the claim would be that she didn't come over because of the cat? Was it really for some other reason? | ||
| Kdoc (Kdoc)
New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 1079 Registered: 7-2001 |
does this all relate to your family when you were a child? before you got a cat? did your family have a cat? I'm lost in the maze of this puzzle ..... | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5930 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 6422 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Tuesday, October 12, 2010 - 7:36 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Would your mother not come to your house? no And the claim would be that she didn't come over because of the cat?n/a Was it really for some other reason?n/a Kdoc (Kdoc) New member Username: Kdoc Post Number: 1079 Registered: 7-2001 Posted on Tuesday, October 12, 2010 - 9:24 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) does this all relate to your family when you were a child? yes before you got a cat? my whole childhood did your family have a cat?We tried, because I wanted one so much, but it made my mother sneeze so much that we gave it to a nearly fish store where it could eat fish heads & I could visit it, I'm lost in the maze of this puzzle ..... Just add to the puzzle description that the medical problem in my family was that my mother was severely allergic to cats, and HINT: I love cats. | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 1409 Registered: 11-2003 |
I'm going to jump in at the very end of this puzzle, with a suggestion. Sorry guys, if this happens to be correct. There are loads of ads in papers (at least in Norway I used to see several every single day commuting in to work) about cats (or dogs for that matter) being given away/rehomed, because of allergies in the family. But it's often not true, just an excuse. Is this the solution? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5931 Registered: 8-2001 |
Eli (Eli) New member Username: Eli Post Number: 1409 Registered: 11-2003 Posted on Tuesday, October 12, 2010 - 10:37 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) I'm going to jump in at the very end of this puzzle, with a suggestion. Sorry guys, if this happens to be correct. There are loads of ads in papers (at least in Norway I used to see several every single day commuting in to work) about cats (or dogs for that matter) being given away/rehomed, because of allergies in the family. But it's often not true, just an excuse. Is this the solution? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 6429 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is it simply the reason for not having a cat was because of allergies? When typically, mothers who say this have other reasons for not wanting the pet (maintenance, responsibility, etc.)? I love cats too! | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5936 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 6429 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Tuesday, October 12, 2010 - 10:44 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is it simply the reason for not having a cat was because of allergies? It is VERY relevant that we couldn't have a cat because of my mother's allergies, but the scrund is something general about people with medical problems and their familiesWhen typically, mothers who say this have other reasons for not wanting the pet (maintenance, responsibility, etc.)? irrel I love cats too! Do you have any? Can you e-mail me pictures?. My e-mail address is on my registration page. | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 667 Registered: 9-2009 |
Some say that living -- especially as a kid -- together with animals, cats being the most to blame, is bad for your health, because you are bound to inhale hair and this will be damaging to your respiratory system. OTRT? As I lived all my life with cats, I personally came to the conclusion that smoking two packs of cigarettes per day, as I do, might be even more damaging, but ... | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5937 Registered: 8-2001 |
Rbruma (Rbruma) New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 667 Registered: 9-2009 Posted on Wednesday, October 13, 2010 - 8:01 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Some say that living -- especially as a kid -- together with animals, cats being the most to blame, is bad for your health, because you are bound to inhale hair and this will be damaging to your respiratory system. OTRT? no As I lived all my life with cats, I personally came to the conclusion that smoking two packs of cigarettes per day, as I do, might be even more damaging, but ... Health & fitness aren't everyone's top priority. Some people prefer to pursue happiness, & that's okay. I've never smoked, but, as old forum hands know, I used to be enormously fat (more than 2x my present, normal weight). It was DELIGHTFUL to eat whatever I wanted. It made every day an adventure | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 6524 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the scrund that no one in the family would get a cat ever? Or would wait until the relative died/moved away before getting one? Or is that the truth? My family has 2 cats, and 2 more that are not officially ours that they feed, but the cats are back home in CT, and I don't have pictures - sorry. | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5938 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 6524 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Wednesday, October 13, 2010 - 10:33 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is the scrund that no one in the family would get a cat ever?no Or would wait until the relative died/moved away before getting one? no Or is that the truth? Well, I didn't get a cat until I had my own apartment. But the scrund is about patients and families , not about cats at all. My family has 2 cats, and 2 more that are not officially ours that they feed, but the cats are back home in CT, and I don't have pictures - sorry. Then please describe the cats: colors, hair length, etc.) | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 6530 Registered: 4-2010 |
That families will go completely out of their way, change their schedules, lives, etc. to avoid the allergen? Details about cats emailed. | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 67 Registered: 9-2010 |
Your house makes me sick? You like making me sick? Your happiness makes me sick? Something along the lines of "makes me sick"? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5944 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 6530 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Wednesday, October 13, 2010 - 10:55 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) That families will go completely out of their way, change their schedules, lives, etc. to avoid the allergen? No, the scrund is just patients, medical problems, & families in general, NOT about cats or allergies. My family's situation ( involving my love of cats & my mother's allergy to them) was a rare case where the scrund was actually true. Details about cats emailed. THANKS!! Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn) New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 67 Registered: 9-2010 Posted on Thursday, October 14, 2010 - 1:53 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Your house makes me sick? You like making me sick? Your happiness makes me sick? Something along the lines of "makes me sick"? no to all | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 6655 Registered: 4-2010 |
That if a patient is unable to do something/be around something b/c of a medical problem, there will always be someone in the family who loves that something? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5945 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 6655 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Thursday, October 14, 2010 - 10:23 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) That if a patient is unable to do something/be around something b/c of a medical problem, there will always be someone in the family who loves that something? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 6676 Registered: 4-2010 |
That the patient will be estranged from the family because of the problem? That the family will grow closer because of it? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5948 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 6676 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Thursday, October 14, 2010 - 11:46 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) That the patient will be estranged from the family because of the problem? That the family will grow closer because of it? neither | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 6686 Registered: 4-2010 |
That the family will take extra effort to remove the cause of the problem entirely? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5951 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 6686 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Friday, October 15, 2010 - 3:09 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) That the family will take extra effort to remove the cause of the problem entirely? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 6733 Registered: 4-2010 |
Could the scrund still apply if the patient had something other than allergies? If the patient had something requiring a hospital stay? Medicine relevant? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 95 Registered: 9-2010 |
If Mama Nimue was allergic to dogs and you had a dog, would the puzzle still work? If she were allergic to peanuts and you made peanut butter out of your home for a living? My mom is also allergic to cats. If I were living in a similar situation to you and I had a pet cat, could the same claim apply to my family? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5956 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 6733 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Friday, October 15, 2010 - 10:17 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Could the scrund still apply if the patient had something other than allergies? possibly, but allergies (especially to pets) are the obvious caseIf the patient had something requiring a hospital stay? yes--if the allergies required a hospital stay Medicine relevant? no Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn) New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 95 Registered: 9-2010 Posted on Saturday, October 16, 2010 - 4:50 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) If Mama Nimue was allergic to dogs and you had a dog, would the puzzle still work? only if certain other conditions appliedIf she were allergic to peanuts and you made peanut butter out of your home for a living? possibly My mom is also allergic to cats. If I were living in a similar situation to you and I had a pet cat, could the same claim apply to my family? only if certain other conditions applied | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 6965 Registered: 4-2010 |
Would the family avoid other houses with pets? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5959 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 6965 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Monday, October 18, 2010 - 8:13 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Would the family avoid other houses with pets? irrel | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 7001 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did the family have no contact with the allergen at all? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5960 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 7001 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Monday, October 18, 2010 - 10:39 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did the family have no contact with the allergen at all?What family are you referring to? My family? My mother had virtually no contact with cats except when we tried to keep one as a pet. HINT: Think about how she & I each would have felt when we had to give the cat away | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 7014 Registered: 4-2010 |
Were you upset about it? Was she not worried about it at all? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5964 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 7014 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Monday, October 18, 2010 - 11:25 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Were you upset about it? yes Was she not worried about it at all? Well, she felt sorry for me, but--much as I hate to admit this about my very own mother--she has never liked cats | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 7032 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the rest of the family upset? Indifferent? Relevant? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5966 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 7032 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Tuesday, October 19, 2010 - 1:27 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Was the rest of the family upset? No, except that my father also felt a bit sorry for me.Indifferent? see previous answerRelevant? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 7079 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the scrund that someone in the family will always be upset at getting rid of the allergen? When that usually isn't the case? But was in your case? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5967 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 7079 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Tuesday, October 19, 2010 - 5:37 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is the scrund that someone in the family will always be upset at getting rid of the allergen? No, the scrund is ab out families & medical problems in general, NOT specifically about allergies When that usually isn't the case? irrelBut was in your case?It's relevant that I was upset | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 1964 Registered: 7-2009 |
So she was more or less happy to get rid of the cat? And you were sad? Could it be said that she used her illness (allergies) as an excuse to get what she wanted? Relevant? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5970 Registered: 8-2001 |
Noel (Noel) New member Username: Noel Post Number: 1964 Registered: 7-2009 Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2010 - 12:57 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) So she was more or less happy to get rid of the cat? yesAnd you were sad? no Could it be said that she used her illness (allergies) as an excuse to get what she wanted? no--without her allergies she probably would have been indifferent to whether our family had a catRelevant? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 7129 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the scrund that families with a member with a pet allergy typically do not have pets? Solely because of the allergy? When they really have some other excuse? Or still have a pet? But in your case it was really because of allergies? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5973 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 7129 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2010 - 9:56 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is the scrund that families with a member with a pet allergy typically do not have pets?{no} Solely because of the allergy? no When they really have some other excuse? noOr still have a pet? noBut in your case it was really because of allergies? yes but irrel: Remember, the scrund is about patients, families, & medical problems IN GENERAL, not specifically about allergies at all | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 7193 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the underlying cause of the medical problems relevant? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5975 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 7193 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Thursday, October 21, 2010 - 3:34 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is the underlying cause of the medical problems relevant?yope | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 7222 Registered: 4-2010 |
I know we're circling the drain here, but I can't quite see it.... Could you please recap? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5977 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 7222 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Thursday, October 21, 2010 - 8:01 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) I know we're circling the drain here, but I can't quite see it.... Could you please recap? Add the following to the puzzle statement: The scrund is a general one about patients, medical problems, and illness. The scrund does not mention allergies, but my mother's allergy to cats combined with my love of cats made the scrund actually true in my family. We tried to have a cat, but her allergies weren't up to it. She doesn't especially like cats & has always been content to avoid them. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 7270 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is it that the person with the condition will be content with avoiding whatever causes it? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5981 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 7270 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Thursday, October 21, 2010 - 11:38 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is it that the person with the condition will be content with avoiding whatever causes it? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 7381 Registered: 4-2010 |
That the family will bend to the will of the patient when it comes to the illness? Or the cause of the illness? Is the cause of the illness relevant to the scrund at all? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5982 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 7381 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Monday, October 25, 2010 - 1:29 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) That the family will bend to the will of the patient when it comes to the illness? Or the cause of the illness? Is the cause of the illness relevant to the scrund at all? no to all | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 7409 Registered: 4-2010 |
That the family will be upset at the patient for being sick? Won't be? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5987 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 7409 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Monday, October 25, 2010 - 9:25 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) That the family will be upset at the patient for being sick? Not quite, but you're ORT Won't be? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 7424 Registered: 4-2010 |
That the family will be upset at having to change their lifestyle to accommodate the patient? That they will change their lifestyle at all? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5989 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 7424 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Monday, October 25, 2010 - 10:05 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) That the family will be upset at having to change their lifestyle to accommodate the patient? noThat they will change their lifestyle at all? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 7442 Registered: 4-2010 |
That the patient will be upset about being sick? Be upset at the family? For trying to accommodate themselves? To the patient's needs? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5990 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 7442 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Tuesday, October 26, 2010 - 12:18 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) That the patient will be upset about being sick? The scrund does involve how upset the patient will be upset about being sick, but it involves more than that. Be upset at the family? noFor trying to accommodate themselves? noTo the patient's needs? no | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5992 Registered: 8-2001 |
RECAP: add the following to the puzzle description: The situation in my family was that my mother was very allergic to cats. so we couldn't keep one. This upset me but not her. HUGE HINT: Who generally suffers most when a patient is ill? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 906 Registered: 9-2009 |
Close relatives? Friends? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 5997 Registered: 8-2001 |
Rbruma (Rbruma) New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 906 Registered: 9-2009 Posted on Monday, November 01, 2010 - 6:56 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Close relatives? That's the scrund. But, in general, who REALLY suffers most?Friends? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 8002 Registered: 4-2010 |
The patient? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 6000 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 8002 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Wednesday, November 03, 2010 - 8:17 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) The patient? Of course! AT LAST, here's a *****SPOILER ************ A common & pernicious cliche about illness is that the patient's family suffers more than the patient himself, which, of course, deflects sympathy from the suffering patients. Some bioethicists even say patients have a duty to die in order to avoid burdening their families! But of course, it's generally the patient who suffers most if he's conscious & aware what's going on. In my family, however, my mother didn't suffer from being severely allergic to cats. After all, she didn't want a cat & could easily avoid them. But I wanted a cat--so I suffered more from her allergy than she did. No one will suffer if you check out my new puzzle at the bottom of the page. | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 1298 Registered: 9-2010 |
Hurrah! Well done Nimue! And one could say, rather than expecting LTPF puzzle-solvers to suffer most from not getting an answer to the puzzle they're trying to solve, it's the puzzle host who suffers most, especially if they thought the puzzle would go quickly and it drags on for months! But oh, such enjoyable torture *grin* At least we're not sick, just obsessed. LOL. :-D | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 6004 Registered: 8-2001 |
An obsession is a strong interest someone disapproves of. (This deep insight comes from a character in one of my short stories.) | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 1304 Registered: 9-2010 |
True, but my family disapproves of me "being stuck on the computer" (aka the LTPF, my LotR fanfiction sites, and email) "and not doing anything useful". | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 8008 Registered: 4-2010 |
WOW, that took long enough! And of course the answer was so simple.... Kaylee - now that I'm at college, I don't have my family bugging me for being on the computer all day, so I know what you're going through. Although I do have class - it's college, after all. | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 1307 Registered: 9-2010 |
Balin - yes, it is. How disappointing of it. =P I'm glad you can understand how I feel, though. | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 6008 Registered: 8-2001 |
Kaylee--So what if your time on the computer isn't useful. You have the right to pursue happiness. | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 1319 Registered: 9-2010 |
Nimue - I'm glad you understand, too. Of course, happiness doesn't pay the bills (another of my mother's favorite comments) |
