| Author | Message | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2695 Registered: 4-2010 |
I like it better because I know what it really is. I'm sure most people who like it don't know what it really is, but there's probably at least one other who knows, and likes it. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2878 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is it food? Drink? Electronic? A substance? Would other people like it less if they knew what it really was? Or more? Is the other person the one who invented it? Is it an invention? Is it disgusting? Is it Slurm? Is it an animal product? Is it tasty? Comfortable? Funny? Expensive? Dangerous? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2712 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is it food? No Drink? No Electronic? No (tiny ish) A substance? No Would other people like it less if they knew what it really was? Or more? I'd say this Is the other person the one who invented it? No, but he knows what it really is too. And FA. Is it an invention? No Is it disgusting? No Is it Slurm? No (what is Slurm, by the way?) Is it an animal product? No Is it tasty? Comfortable? Funny? Yope Expensive? Dangerous? No to rest | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2893 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is it electric? Electrostatic? Is it an object? A phenomenon? Is it flammable? Amusing? Cool? Do most people like it? Slurm is a tasty and addictive drink in the TV series Futurama. Turns out it's excreted by a disgusting queen slug-creature. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2716 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is it electric? No Electrostatic? No Is it an object? Yope A phenomenon? No Is it flammable? No Amusing? More so if you know what it really is, so Yope. Cool? Yesish Do most people like it? Yope Slurm is a tasty and addictive drink in the TV series Futurama. Turns out it's excreted by a disgusting queen slug-creature. Ah, that's interesting; I've never seen the show, so that's something new for me. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2897 Registered: 9-2009 |
You should, it's a very funny animated sci-fi comedy show by the creator of The Simpsons. It has lots of very nerdy/clever humor, as most of the writers have Ph.D.s in various scientific fields. Is it an act? A joke? Is it something done with an object? with multiple objects? Is fire involved? Danger? Improvisation? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2720 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is it an act? Noish A joke? Yope Is it something done with an object? Yope with multiple objects? Yope Is fire involved? Danger? Improvisation? None of these | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2905 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is it something done with an imaginary object? Something done with a non-object? A force? A gas? Liquid? A substance? Is a person involved in "it"? More than one? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2728 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is it something done with an imaginary object? No, FA Something done with a non-object? No, FA A force? No A gas? No Liquid? No A substance? No Is a person involved in "it"? Yes More than one? Yes | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2909 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is it a game? Is it acrobatic? Language involved? Problem solving? Riddles? LTPF? Singing? Dancing? Are the yopish objects people? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2732 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is it a game? Is it acrobatic? Language involved? Problem solving? Riddles? LTPF? Singing? Only this Dancing? Are the yopish objects people? No, FA | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2916 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is it a style of song? A specific song? Is it sung by several people? Two people? Instruments involved? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2738 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is it a style of song? Yope, but... A specific song? Yes! Is it sung by several people? Two people? This, but beware FA Instruments involved? Yope, possible FA | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2919 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is it sung by two real live people? Is the first H? A? M? How about the second? Computers involved? Is it sung by a ventriloquist pretending to be two people? Is someone imitating instrument sounds? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2747 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is it sung by two real live people? Yes Is the first H? A? M? Yes How about the second? HAF Computers involved? No Is it sung by a ventriloquist pretending to be two people? No Is someone imitating instrument sounds? No BLOOPER: "Instruments involved?" should be Yes, but possible FA | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 909 Registered: 6-2008 |
Is it performed a cappella? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2753 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is it performed a cappella? No | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2926 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is it sung into an instrument? Is electronics involved? Is it performed live? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2756 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is it sung into an instrument? No Is electronics involved? Yes, but OTWT Is it performed live? Only when the band who sings the song performs it live. I fear my answers may have been misleading, so here's a HINT: Ignore the technical aspects of the song, and try to figure out which song it is. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2942 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is the band from [LTPF of continents]? Are the two people the only members? Is the song famous? Well known? Is the band any of the above? Did they write and compose the song? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2764 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the band from [LTPF of continents]? North America Are the two people the only members? No, FA Is the song famous? Yes Well known? Yes Is the band any of the above? Both Did they write and compose the song? Yes | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2944 Registered: 9-2009 |
Are the two people both band members? At the same time? Or is only one of them? Or none of them? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2767 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are the two people both band members? Noish At the same time? No Or is only one of them? This, and I'll just say it; the other provided back-up vocals for this one song. Or none of them? See prev | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2946 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did he sing backup? Or she? Is the non-bandmember relvant to "what it really is"? Is the nonmember famous? For the song? For something else? Something not related to singing? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2770 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he sing backup? No Or she? Yes Is the non-bandmember relvant to "what it really is"? No Is the nonmember famous? Yes For the song? No For something else? Yes Something not related to singing? No | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2950 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is she from another band? Is she a famous singer? Is the song older than: 10 years? 20? 30? 50? 100? Are the lyrics relevant? Their meaning? double/hidden meanings? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2774 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is she from another band? Yes Is she a famous singer? Yes. However, she is pretty much irrelevant to the puzzle. Is the song older than: 10 years? This... 20? ...and almost this, but not quite. 30? 50? 100? Are the lyrics relevant? Yesish Their meaning? Yesish double/hidden meanings? Yope | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2953 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is the writer or composer of the song relevant? Conditions under which it was made? Inspiration for the song? Was it written and composed by the same person? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2776 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the writer or composer of the song relevant? Yope Conditions under which it was made? Yope, with svv of "conditions" Inspiration for the song? Yes Was it written and composed by the same person? Yes, although I believe it was more than one person. I could be mistaken though. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2956 Registered: 9-2009 |
was the inspiration a: person? Object? Event? Natural phenomenon? Disaster? War relevant? Epidemics? Terrorism? Bad weather? Pollution? Politics? Something else unpleasant? Something pleasant? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2780 Registered: 4-2010 |
was the inspiration a: person? Object? Yope... Event? ...and this. Natural phenomenon? Disaster? War relevant? Epidemics? Terrorism? Yope Bad weather? Pollution? Politics? This is also involved... Something else unpleasant? ...as it this, very much... Something pleasant? ...and finally this-ish, but only laterally. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2960 Registered: 9-2009 |
An assassination? A well known one? such as MLK? Or Kennedy? A murder? A fight? Organized crime involved? Do most people who like it not know about the source of inspiration? Is the Cold War relevant? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2784 Registered: 4-2010 |
An assassination? No A well known one? such as MLK? Or Kennedy? Hence no to all these A murder? Noish A fight? Noish Organized crime involved? Noish Do most people who like it not know about the source of inspiration? Yes Is the Cold War relevant? No | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2964 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did someone die? Get sick? Injured? Tortured? Kidnapped? Chased? Was it a scandal? Watergate? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2789 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did someone die? Yes Get sick? No Injured? Yes Tortured? I think so Kidnapped? Yope Chased? Yope Was it a scandal? Noish Watergate? No | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2967 Registered: 9-2009 |
Criminals invovled? The military? Police? Did someone get arrested? Executed? Punished? Did the event happen in the US? Relevant how many people were involved? Conspiracies relevant? Secrets? Shootings? Riots? Racism involved? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2795 Registered: 4-2010 |
Criminals invovled? Noish The military? Yes Police? Yes Did someone get arrested? Yes Executed? Yes Punished? DOYD of "punished" Did the event happen in the US? No Relevant how many people were involved? Just that there were a lot Conspiracies relevant? Secrets? Shootings? Riots? Mainly this Racism involved? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2973 Registered: 9-2009 |
Were the riots in [LTPF list of continents]? Was there a revolution? A massacre? Did it happen almost 20 years ago? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2798 Registered: 4-2010 |
Were the riots in [LTPF list of continents]? Asia Was there a revolution? No (tiny ish) A massacre? Yes Did it happen almost 20 years ago? Yes - a little over 20 years ago | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2975 Registered: 9-2009 |
The Tiananmen Square massacre? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2801 Registered: 4-2010 |
The Tiananmen Square massacre? Yes, and the protests. Now what's the song, and what is it really? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 2981 Registered: 9-2009 |
REM involved in this one? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2807 Registered: 4-2010 |
REM involved in this one? Yep =) | ||
| Mattiel (Mattiel)
New member Username: Mattiel Post Number: 121 Registered: 6-2005 |
Hmmm REM... 20 years ago... a female backing vocals... Shiny Happy People? :-) | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2812 Registered: 4-2010 |
Hmmm REM... 20 years ago... a female backing vocals... Shiny Happy People? :-) Yes! Now what is it really, and the bonus: who is that other person? | ||
| Mattiel (Mattiel)
New member Username: Mattiel Post Number: 129 Registered: 6-2005 |
Google or Wiki would be too easy, so let's not use them :-) So if I understand it right, you like Shiny Happy People more than "the average music listener" because you know what it really is, correct? Is there some specific feature about the song which is unknown to "the average music listener"? Some hidden words? Reverse words? Hidden meaning in the text? The reason why you like it more, is it related to the Tiananmen protests? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2815 Registered: 4-2010 |
Google or Wiki would be too easy, so let's not use them :-) So if I understand it right, you like Shiny Happy People Yes more than "the average music listener" Possibly, but assume no because you know what it really is, correct? Yes Is there some specific feature about the song which is unknown to "the average music listener"? Yes Some hidden words? No Reverse words? No Hidden meaning in the text? Yope The reason why you like it more, is it related to the Tiananmen protests? Yes, but this could lead down a stray path | ||
| Mattiel (Mattiel)
New member Username: Mattiel Post Number: 131 Registered: 6-2005 |
Is your reason for liking it more related to the musical part? If so, melody? Arrangement? Used instruments? Voices? Or is it related to lyrics? If so, general topic? Title? Some specific verse? Specific line? Specific word? Can we solve the puzzle without knowing the song lyrics or do we have to have a look at them? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2818 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is your reason for liking it more related to the musical part? Yope If so, melody? Arrangement? Used instruments? Voices? Hmmm...tone, I'd say. Also see next answers Or is it related to lyrics? Partially If so, general topic? This Title? Some specific verse? Specific line? Specific word? Can we solve the puzzle without knowing the song lyrics or do we have to have a look at them? Maybe. Feel free to take a look. | ||
| Mattiel (Mattiel)
New member Username: Mattiel Post Number: 134 Registered: 6-2005 |
Would you like it the same if: The male voice sang the whole song? The female voice sang the whole song? Male and female voices sang each one the other's part (Female main, male backing) ? Another male voice (different than Micheal Stipe) sang the main part? Another female voice sang the backing part? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2822 Registered: 4-2010 |
Would you like it the same if: The male voice sang the whole song? The female voice sang the whole song? Male and female voices sang each one the other's part (Female main, male backing) ? Another male voice (different than Micheal Stipe) sang the main part? Another female voice sang the backing part? Irrel to all | ||
| Mattiel (Mattiel)
New member Username: Mattiel Post Number: 138 Registered: 6-2005 |
The connection between the reason why you like it more and the Tiananmen protest, is it something objective, that everyone could find? Or is it something that you only found? That you only could find? Something related to your own experience/knowledge of the protests? Did R.E.M ever acknowledge this connection? Relevant? Talking about "tone", what do you really mean by that: voice tone? Treble/bass? Guitar tone? Other instruments? General tone of the song? Equalization relevant? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2834 Registered: 4-2010 |
The connection between the reason why you like it more and the Tiananmen protest, is it something objective, that everyone could find? Yes Or is it something that you only found? That you only could find? Something related to your own experience/knowledge of the protests? No to all Did R.E.M ever acknowledge this connection? I think so, but not sure Relevant? Yope Talking about "tone", what do you really mean by that: voice tone? Treble/bass? Guitar tone? Other instruments? General tone of the song? This Equalization relevant? No | ||
| Mattiel (Mattiel)
New member Username: Mattiel Post Number: 146 Registered: 6-2005 |
Sorry to insist on the same point :-) but I fear I don't understand the exact meaning of "tone"... So for instance could the "tone" be: Low or high? Could it be a note (ex. C#, F, Eb)? Could it be nice or ugly? Kind or aggressive? Hope this is relevant... :-P | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2837 Registered: 4-2010 |
Sorry to insist on the same point :-) but I fear I don't understand the exact meaning of "tone"... It's OK, I've been kinda vague. Sorry. So for instance could the "tone" be: Low or high? Could it be a note (ex. C#, F, Eb)? Could it be nice or ugly? This-ish Kind or aggressive? Hope this is relevant... :-P | ||
| Mattiel (Mattiel)
New member Username: Mattiel Post Number: 149 Registered: 6-2005 |
Let me concentrate on "what it is really"... Is it a protest? a joke? a hidden message? a description? a poem? a pun? a novel? a story? Do you know the other person who knows "what it is really"? Is he famous? Relevant his age? Location? Profession? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2865 Registered: 4-2010 |
Let me concentrate on "what it is really"... Is it a protest? a joke? Yope a hidden message? a description? a poem? a pun? a novel? a story? Do you know the other person who knows "what it is really"? Yope, and recall; I'm not 100% sure that he knows what it is really, but it is highly likely that he does. Is he famous? No Relevant his age? Yope Location? Yope Profession? No, but... | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2955 Registered: 4-2010 |
HINT: Genre is relevant. | ||
| Mattiel (Mattiel)
New member Username: Mattiel Post Number: 159 Registered: 6-2005 |
What do you mean by genre? Genre of the song? Of the band? Of the music the band plays? Of the joke? Is it a more criptic hint? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2961 Registered: 4-2010 |
What do you mean by genre? Genre of the song? This... Of the band? Of the music the band plays? Of the joke? ...but also this... Is it a more criptic hint? ...and a little of this. For not everything is as it seems. | ||
| Mattiel (Mattiel)
New member Username: Mattiel Post Number: 163 Registered: 6-2005 |
Hmmm things get darker and darker... let's try to explore... Any of these words relevant: pop, rock, indie, alternative, new wave, jangle, ballad? Genre of the joke: satire? irony? sarcasm? word play? punchline? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2980 Registered: 4-2010 |
Hmmm things get darker and darker... let's try to explore... Any of these words relevant: pop This , rock, indie, alternative, new wave, jangle, ballad? Genre of the joke: satire? This irony? sarcasm? word play? punchline? | ||
| Mattiel (Mattiel)
New member Username: Mattiel Post Number: 169 Registered: 6-2005 |
So let me try a short recap... most people like Shiny Happy People as pop song, but they don't know that it actually is a satire about Tiananmen Square protests and massacre. You know that, and you like it more for this reason. Correct till now? Now, I guess I'm totally missing the lateral part of it... Is it only connected to the other person who probably knows and likes it, or is there still something to find about the song? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 2990 Registered: 4-2010 |
So let me try a short recap... most people like Shiny Happy People as pop song, Yes but they don't know that it actually is a satire about Tiananmen Square protests and massacre. Yes You know that, and you like it more for this reason. Yes Correct till now? Yep Now, I guess I'm totally missing the lateral part of it... No, you've pretty much got everything. Is it only connected to the other person who probably knows and likes it, or is there still something to find about the song? I'd say we have more than enough for a **********SPOILER********** "The communist Chinese government issued a propaganda leaflet during the 1989 pro-democracy Tiananmen Square protests, claiming that protestors were alone in their dissent and that the rest of China was 'shiny happy people holding hands.' Michael Stipe...wrote a song based on that leaflet - the sappiest, most brainless pop song he could imagine. It was supposed to be a satirical joke mocking people who ignore tragedy and world events. It didn't work. Most people thought 'Shiny Happy People' was a catchy pop song, not a parody of a catchy pop song. It reached the Billboard Top 10, one of only four REM songs to do so. It was such a contrast to REM's usual straightforward, socially conscious music that Stipe issued a public apology for the song. The band never played 'Shiny Happy People' live after 1991 and, despite it being one of their few actual hits, they refused to include it on their 2003 greatest hits album." [Source: Uncle John's Bathroom Reader Plunges into Music, "I Hate My Song," p. 123.] And for curious eyes: The person who I think probably knows the real reason behind the song, and if so, probably likes it, is our own Peter365, who, as a big REM buff, probably knows more about the song than I do. But that's only my speculation. And as for the title, this is my third REM puzzle, and "Shiny Happy People" was REM's fourth (and final) single to reach the Billboard Top 10...hence, "Number 3, Number 4." Kudos of the day go to Galfisk for the early groundwork and Mattiel for the solve. | ||
| Mattiel (Mattiel)
New member Username: Mattiel Post Number: 173 Registered: 6-2005 |
Nice! I am indeed part of those who liked that song just as a catchy pop song, and from now on i'll be the third one in the forum to like it better because of what it really is ;-) |
