[Whirligig] Bad luck? Log Out | Topics | Search
Moderators | Register | Edit Profile

Lateral Puzzles » Solved Lateral Thinking Puzzles » Solved Puzzles - August 2010 » [Whirligig] Bad luck? « Previous Next »

Author Message
Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member
Username: Whirligig

Post Number: 18
Registered: 8-2010
Posted on Thursday, August 05, 2010 - 8:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thirteen men gather. A few hours later, one of them dies. A while later, another one of them dies. This continues, so that eventually, as a result of the first man's death, only one of them dies from natural causes.

Probably a quickie.
Balin (Balin)
New member
Username: Balin

Post Number: 2852
Registered: 4-2010
Posted on Thursday, August 05, 2010 - 9:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Men = HAM? Were the others murdered? Suicides?

Are they in a deck of cards? And the 13 men are one suit?
Balin (Balin)
New member
Username: Balin

Post Number: 2853
Registered: 4-2010
Posted on Thursday, August 05, 2010 - 9:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were the others executed? Was the one who died naturally the first one? Last one?
Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member
Username: Whirligig

Post Number: 21
Registered: 8-2010
Posted on Thursday, August 05, 2010 - 9:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Men = HAM? yes Were the others murdered? yope, see below Suicides? no

Are they in a deck of cards? And the 13 men are one suit? good thinking, but no

Were the others executed? yes Was the one who died naturally the first one? Last one? if you mean last one to die, then yes
Balin (Balin)
New member
Username: Balin

Post Number: 2856
Registered: 4-2010
Posted on Thursday, August 05, 2010 - 9:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were they executed by the other men? By all of them? Were they cannibals? Did they eat each other? Were they stranded? On a ship? A deserted island?
Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member
Username: Whirligig

Post Number: 24
Registered: 8-2010
Posted on Thursday, August 05, 2010 - 9:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were they executed by the other men? By all of them? Were they cannibals? Did they eat each other? Were they stranded? On a ship? A deserted island?

No to all. You have a huge FA here. I would recommend you get it settled before continuing.
Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member
Username: Whirligig

Post Number: 31
Registered: 8-2010
Posted on Friday, August 06, 2010 - 2:01 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

BLOOPER: One of the men that dies (the "a while later" one) commits suicide. The rest are executed.
Balin (Balin)
New member
Username: Balin

Post Number: 2859
Registered: 4-2010
Posted on Friday, August 06, 2010 - 4:02 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were they killed by each other? By others? By authorities? Were they executed for murder? For the other guy's death? For another crime? That they'd committed?
Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member
Username: Whirligig

Post Number: 34
Registered: 8-2010
Posted on Friday, August 06, 2010 - 4:51 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were they killed by each other? By others? By authorities? yes Were they executed for murder? For the other guy's death? For another crime? That they'd committed? not really any of these, no to murder/death and noish to crime in general
Mattiel (Mattiel)
New member
Username: Mattiel

Post Number: 150
Registered: 6-2005
Posted on Friday, August 06, 2010 - 1:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are all of them condemned to death penalty?
Did they (the "first" 12, except the one who commits suicide) all die in the same way?
Shot? Poisoned? Stabbed? Electrified?
Relevant how long all this process (the 13 deaths) take? If so, 1 day? 1 week? 1 month? 1 year? more?
"10 little niggers" by Agatha Christie relevant? :-)
Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member
Username: Whirligig

Post Number: 36
Registered: 8-2010
Posted on Friday, August 06, 2010 - 4:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are all of them condemned to death penalty? all of the executed ones? I'm pretty sure
Did they (the "first" 12, except the one who commits suicide) all die in the same way? no
Shot? Poisoned? Stabbed? this for one or two, the rest died in ways not mentioned Electrified?
Relevant how long all this process (the 13 deaths) take? yes If so, 1 day? 1 week? 1 month? 1 year? more? this, which was the huge FA -- Balin seemed to be assuming it happened quickly
"10 little niggers" by Agatha Christie relevant? :-) uh, no, and are you aware that some consider this term offensive?
Balin (Balin)
New member
Username: Balin

Post Number: 2870
Registered: 4-2010
Posted on Friday, August 06, 2010 - 4:10 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I was assuming that. Thanks for catching that, Mattiel.

Did the rest die by [LTPF list of ways to die]? Did the suicide die by shooting himself? Stabbing? Poison? Jumping? [LTPF list of ways to die]? Did the deaths happen over many years? A few years? Is a massacre relevant? Holocaust? Something similar?
Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member
Username: Whirligig

Post Number: 39
Registered: 8-2010
Posted on Friday, August 06, 2010 - 4:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the rest die by [LTPF list of ways to die]? suffocation/asphyxiation I think, as well as impact, but there are better words than "impact" Did the suicide die by shooting himself? Stabbing? Poison? Jumping? [LTPF list of ways to die]? suffocation/asphyxiation Did the deaths happen over many years? yes A few years? Is a massacre relevant? Holocaust? Something similar? a tiny bit like the Holocaust in some ways, but otherwise no
Balin (Balin)
New member
Username: Balin

Post Number: 2877
Registered: 4-2010
Posted on Friday, August 06, 2010 - 10:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were they in prison? Were they together for the entire time? Were they indoors?
Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member
Username: Whirligig

Post Number: 42
Registered: 8-2010
Posted on Friday, August 06, 2010 - 10:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were they in prison? probably some of them at some point Were they together for the entire time? not physically, no Were they indoors? for some of the time, you still have a few traces of FA left
Balin (Balin)
New member
Username: Balin

Post Number: 2880
Registered: 4-2010
Posted on Saturday, August 07, 2010 - 3:54 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were they in isolation? Seclusion? On a deserted island? On a boat? Were they supervised? Left on their own? Did they have constant contact with the outside world? Were they still part of their community?
Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member
Username: Whirligig

Post Number: 45
Registered: 8-2010
Posted on Saturday, August 07, 2010 - 4:02 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were they in isolation? no with a tiny, tiny ish Seclusion? ditto On a deserted island? On a boat? no to both Were they supervised? yes for svv of supervised Left on their own? no Did they have constant contact with the outside world? Were they still part of their community? yes/yesish to both, you're clearing some of the last traces of FA here
Balin (Balin)
New member
Username: Balin

Post Number: 2883
Registered: 4-2010
Posted on Saturday, August 07, 2010 - 4:16 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the execution carried out over a long period of time? At one specific time? Were they married? Relevant? Is any other person relevant? More than one other person?
Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member
Username: Whirligig

Post Number: 47
Registered: 8-2010
Posted on Saturday, August 07, 2010 - 5:04 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the execution carried out over a long period of time? this At one specific time? Were they married? no Relevant? slightly Is any other person relevant? yope More than one other person? yesish
Balin (Balin)
New member
Username: Balin

Post Number: 2885
Registered: 4-2010
Posted on Saturday, August 07, 2010 - 5:52 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Their cause of death: did their windpipe gradually close up? Their lungs? Some other body part? Was the execution administered once, but took a long time to take effect? Were they given a disease? AIDS? Was the man who committed suicide going to be executed? Or, by dying, did he bring about the execution of the others?
Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member
Username: Whirligig

Post Number: 49
Registered: 8-2010
Posted on Saturday, August 07, 2010 - 3:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Their cause of death: did their windpipe gradually close up? possiblyish (wow, that's a new one) Their lungs? possiblyish Some other body part? close up? no Was the execution administered once, but took a long time to take effect? no Were they given a disease? no AIDS? no Was the man who committed suicide going to be executed? no Or, by dying, did he bring about the execution of the others? but no

I don't know much about the cause of death from a medical perspective
Balin (Balin)
New member
Username: Balin

Post Number: 2893
Registered: 4-2010
Posted on Saturday, August 07, 2010 - 4:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were they executed for causing the death of the first man? Even though they didn't? Were the men limited in how far they could travel? (i.e. under house arrest)? Were they on parole?
Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member
Username: Whirligig

Post Number: 52
Registered: 8-2010
Posted on Saturday, August 07, 2010 - 4:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were they executed for causing the death of the first man? no Even though they didn't? you are correct in that they didn't Were the men limited in how far they could travel? no (i.e. under house arrest)? no Were they on parole? no

maybe it would help to find out how the first man died
Balin (Balin)
New member
Username: Balin

Post Number: 2895
Registered: 4-2010
Posted on Saturday, August 07, 2010 - 4:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the suicide die by strangulation? Hanging? Suffocation? Being smothered?
Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member
Username: Whirligig

Post Number: 54
Registered: 8-2010
Posted on Saturday, August 07, 2010 - 5:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the suicide die by strangulation? Hanging? this Suffocation? Being smothered?
Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member
Username: Woodworm

Post Number: 1783
Registered: 3-2006
Posted on Saturday, August 07, 2010 - 5:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Jesus and the disciples? The Last Supper?
Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member
Username: Whirligig

Post Number: 55
Registered: 8-2010
Posted on Saturday, August 07, 2010 - 6:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Jesus and the disciples? The Last Supper? Whoa, where'd you come from?

**********SPOILER**********

The thirteen men are Jesus and the Twelve Disciples at the Last Supper. Shortly afterwards, Jesus is crucified, and later Judas, having betrayed Jesus, hangs himself due to guilt. The rest of the Disciples are all executed for following Jesus and for their beliefs, being variously beheaded, crucified, etc. No record of John's death is known, so it's assumed that he died naturally.

Kudos to Balin for participating a lot in this puzzle, Woodworm for jumping in and solving it, and Mattiel so he won't feel left out. ;)

Expect a LA soon.
Balin (Balin)
New member
Username: Balin

Post Number: 2898
Registered: 4-2010
Posted on Saturday, August 07, 2010 - 6:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Nice puzzle, and can't wait for your LatVenture!
Mattiel (Mattiel)
New member
Username: Mattiel

Post Number: 151
Registered: 6-2005
Posted on Sunday, August 08, 2010 - 6:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Boy, stay a single weekend without connection and find the whole puzzle solved! :-)
Nice one, btw, will explore the LA soon!
Just one comment about the offensive character of the term "nigger", of course i didn't mean to offense anyone, I know that Agatha Christie herself had to change the name to "10 little indians" because of this reason, but as the original title included that word I thought it would be harmless to use it ;-)
Vadron (Vadron)
New member
Username: Vadron

Post Number: 113
Registered: 5-2010
Posted on Sunday, August 08, 2010 - 8:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Judas hanged himself before Jesus was crucified, just so you know.
Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member
Username: Whirligig

Post Number: 84
Registered: 8-2010
Posted on Sunday, August 08, 2010 - 9:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oh, okay. Thanks.

Uh, BLOOPER?

Add Your Message Here
Post:
Username: Posting Information:
This is a private posting area. Only registered users and moderators may post messages here.
Password:
Options: Enable HTML code in message
Automatically activate URLs in message
Action: