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Mattiel (Mattiel)
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Posted on Monday, August 09, 2010 - 9:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Let's try another one... probably quickier than the free meal one...

I'm sitting in my bed, and I see a small light in front of me. Then suddenly the light disappears.
Explain.
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Posted on Monday, August 09, 2010 - 9:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the light electric? A nightlight? An LED? Part of a clock? An alarm clock? Are you dreaming? Awake? Are you reading? Using a book light? And you turn it off to go to sleep?
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Posted on Monday, August 09, 2010 - 10:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ok, it IS gonna be quickier...

Is the light electric? yesish A nightlight? no An LED? yesish Part of a clock? yesish An alarm clock? yesish as well Are you dreaming? no Awake? yes Are you reading? Using a book light? And you turn it off to go to sleep? no to rest
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Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2010 - 12:55 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the light on something you are using as an alarm clock, even though that is not its main use (such as a cell phone)?

Is this happening as you are going to bed? In the middle of the night? As you're waking up in the morning?

Just a guess--does the small light signify PM, and it turns off at 12 AM?
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Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2010 - 5:23 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I read a puzzle like this oh so many months ago so I will stay out of it.

I remember that one puzzle was kind of cryptic and scary, though.
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Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2010 - 8:54 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Pikachizzle: I don't remember anything quite like this. I remember one about setting an alarm clock to go off at two different times on certain days in order to be able to make a class on time. But there were no lights involved there, and nothing scary.
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Is the device generating the light connected to a power outlet? Only sometimes (like when charging a battery)? Was the power cut-off at that particular moment?
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Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2010 - 2:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the light on something you are using as an alarm clock, even though that is not its main use (such as a cell phone)? No

Is this happening as you are going to bed? Could be... In the middle of the night? As you're waking up in the morning? ...But none of these is really correct.

Just a guess--does the small light signify PM, and it turns off at 12 AM? No, but OTRT...

I read a puzzle like this oh so many months ago so I will stay out of it. Hmmm as you wish :-), i'm back on the forum after 3-4 years so i'm not aware of this puzzle...

I remember that one puzzle was kind of cryptic and scary, though. Well nothing scary on this one ;-)

Is the device generating the light connected to a power outlet? Yes Only sometimes (like when charging a battery)? No, it's always connected Was the power cut-off at that particular moment? No
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Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2010 - 4:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The change in the status of the lid was somehow pre-programmed on the device? Or it was an accident? Did you expect the light to turn off?

The device -- does it have the capability to show off the time of the day (i.e., does is function also as a clock, either as its main function or as an accessory function)? Or it is some kind of a home appliance used for different purposes? It is -- or can function as -- a radio receiver?

Can the led be lit when the device is not connected to the power outlet? Was the diconnection from the outlet the immediate cause of the led being switched off?
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Was the light a backlight? On a cell phone? iPod? And it turns off automatically after 10 seconds or so with no action?
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Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2010 - 8:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it actually nighttime? Or are we all just assuming it is because you are in bed? (Naughty, naughty! Never assume anything when you are solving lateral thinking puzzles!
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The change in the status of the lid was somehow pre-programmed on the device? What do you mean by lid? I guess is a misspell for led? Anyway programmed is not the right word Or it was an accident? No Did you expect the light to turn off? I didn't really, but I could have...

The device -- does it have the capability to show off the time of the day (i.e., does is function also as a clock, either as its main function or as an accessory function)? The device IS an alarm clock, but beware FA here! Or it is some kind of a home appliance used for different purposes? No It is -- or can function as -- a radio receiver? No and irrel.

Can the led be lit when the device is not connected to the power outlet? No Was the diconnection from the outlet the immediate cause of the led being switched off? No

Was the light a backlight? On a cell phone? iPod? And it turns off automatically after 10 seconds or so with no action? No to all

Is it actually nighttime? LOL Yes it is Or are we all just assuming it is because you are in bed? (Naughty, naughty! Never assume anything when you are solving lateral thinking puzzles! You're right in your concern, but no worries, you can assume that it is nighttime
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Was the alarm set on your alarm clock? Was it going off? Did it turn off? Did a light burn out? A light showing part of the time?
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Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2010 - 9:47 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the alarm set on your alarm clock? Was it going off? Did it turn off? Did a light burn out? No to all A light showing part of the time? No but...
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Is the clock working? Are any of the lights blinking? Is it the colon in between the hours/minutes? Does it blink each second?
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Is the clock working? Yes Are any of the lights blinking? No Is it the colon in between the hours/minutes? Yes and irrel. Does it blink each second? No and irrel.
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Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2010 - 6:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does the clock turn off? Is the power cut in any way? Like a power outage? And that's why the light turns off?
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Does the clock turn off? No Is the power cut in any way? No Like a power outage? No And that's why the light turns off? No

HINT: Think more laterally. There's a relevant reason why I answered "yesish" and not "yes" to the very first questions. I'll post a second hint later if things still are stuck.
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Posted on Thursday, August 12, 2010 - 6:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are you looking directly at the alarm clock? or maybe at a reflection?

Does the light disappear because the source is no longer emitting light? or because the light no longer reaches your eye?
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Are you looking directly at the alarm clock? No! maybe at a reflection? Exactly! Does the light disappear because the source is no longer emitting light? Noish or because the light no longer reaches your eye? This is closest. But why?
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Is it relevant what creates the reflection?

If so,
mirror?
glass of water?
glass tile?
something else?
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Posted on Thursday, August 12, 2010 - 10:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it relevant what creates the reflection? No
If so mirror? This, but as I said that's irrelevant. glass of water? glass tile? something else?
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Did you no longer see the reflection of the led because something happened to the mirror? because something came between you and the mirror?
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Did you no longer see the reflection of the led because something happened to the mirror? because something came between you and the mirror? No to both
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Posted on Friday, August 13, 2010 - 11:52 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did you no longer see the reflection because something came between the clock and the mirror? Because you moved and could no longer see the clock in the mirror?
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Did you no longer see the reflection because something came between the clock and the mirror? Because you moved and could no longer see the clock in the mirror? No to both as well
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Was there already something between the clock and mirror? between you and the mirror? and that 'something' change properties so you could no longer see the reflection? (am thinking like a see-through object that for some reason suddenly became opaque)
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Posted on Friday, August 13, 2010 - 12:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was there already something between the clock and mirror? between you and the mirror? and that 'something' change properties so you could no longer see the reflection? (am thinking like a see-through object that for some reason suddenly became opaque)
Once again, no to all. There is another, very relevant element, which has not been mentioned until now if not very vaguely.
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Is the mirror on the wall facing you? On a side wall? On the wall behind you? Is the clock on a nightstand? Next to your bed? Is it facing in the same direction as you? Off to one side? Is the clock digital?
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Is the mirror on the wall facing you? This On a side wall? On the wall behind you? So no to these Is the clock on a nightstand? Yes Next to your bed? Yes Is it facing in the same direction as you? Yes Off to one side? Please rephrase, I don't understand :-( Is the clock digital? Yes it is
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You can ignore the "off to one side" - I meant "is it facing one of the side walls, given the direction you're facing", but the "yes" to the previous question negated it.

Was the clock still working when the light "went out"? Or did it stop working? Does anything change about the clock that causes you to no longer see the light? The mirror? You? Are you always in the same position during the course of events?
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Posted on Friday, August 13, 2010 - 11:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You can ignore the "off to one side" - I meant "is it facing one of the side walls, given the direction you're facing", but the "yes" to the previous question negated it.
Ok! :-)

Was the clock still working when the light "went out"? Yes Or did it stop working? No Does anything change about the clock that causes you to no longer see the light? Yes! The mirror? No You? No Are you always in the same position during the course of events? Yes
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Is it important whether this is a 12 or a 24 hour clock? (can't understand how/why, but this is LTPF after all, lol, so no question will be left un-asked)
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Is it important whether this is a 12 or a 24 hour clock? Hmmm no, not really, but assume it's a 24 hour (can't understand how/why, but this is LTPF after all, lol, so no question will be left un-asked) Good behaviour ;-)
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Daylight savings time relevant?

Was the change expected? totally out of the blue?
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Does the clock only measure the time? Or does it also have the date? An AM/PM LED? An alarm LED? The temperature?

Did the clock fall off the nightstand? Does the clock move during the course of events?
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Daylight savings time relevant? No

Was the change expected? Let's say it was easily predictable, yes totally out of the blue? So no to this

Does the clock only measure the time? Yes Or does it also have the date? An AM/PM LED? An alarm LED? Only this, but irrel. The temperature? So no to rest

Did the clock fall off the nightstand? Does the clock move during the course of events? No to both
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Is the "small light" a number on the clock? A single LED on the clock? Could you only see part of the clock in the mirror? Only the first digit? Maybe the clock went from 12:59 to 1:00, and so the first digit "disappeared"?
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Is the "small light" a number on the clock? YES! A single LED on the clock? So no Could you only see part of the clock in the mirror? So yes :-) Only the first digit? Exactly so! Maybe the clock went from 12:59 to 1:00, and so the first digit "disappeared"? Almost the real thing, but still close enough to declare a:

SPOILER:

So, I was sitting on my bed and I could see a red light in the mirror facing the bed; this light was the reflection of a "2" coming from my alarm clock, which was indicating 23:59. Given the angle I could only see the "2" in the reflection. So one minute after, when the clock switched from 23:59 to 0:00, the "2" disappeared and the rest of the lights were not in my angle of vision, so as a result the light I was seeing in the mirror disappeared.

Thanks everybody for playing, hope you enjoyed it, and special compliments to Balin who followed the puzzle from the very beginning and did the final solving!

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