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Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Monday, August 16, 2010 - 8:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

He won.
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Wow, quite a compact statement. Where to begin...

Well, is "he" human? Adult? Child? Is his age relevant?
Is his height relevant?
Is his weight relevant?
Is his hair color relevant?
Is his shoe size relevant?
Did he win a contest? If so, was it one in which a certain talent or skill must be displayed? Athletic ability? Educational skill?
Or, perhaps it was a contest where the winner is chosen by lot, like a lottery or raffle?
Or maybe, it is a race against time?
Was "he" competing against anyone else?
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Wow, quite a compact statement. Where to begin...

Well, is "he" human? Adult? Child? HAM Is his age relevant? Yes
Is his height relevant? No
Is his weight relevant? No
Is his hair color relevant? No
Is his shoe size relevant? No
Did he win a contest? No If so, was it one in which a certain talent or skill must be displayed? Athletic ability? Educational skill?
Or, perhaps it was a contest where the winner is chosen by lot, like a lottery or raffle? Hence no to all these
Or maybe, it is a race against time? Noish to Yope
Was "he" competing against anyone else? Noish to No
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Ok - did he win a bet? Win a prize? Win an award? Win some kind of recognition?
Did anyone else besides him know that he won?
After he won, was he still alive?
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Ok - did he win a bet? Win a prize? Win an award? Win some kind of recognition? None of these
Did anyone else besides him know that he won? Possibly, but unlikely
After he won, was he still alive? No. VERY good question.
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Hmmm...I wondered about that...

Ok, is his exact age relevant, or sufficient to know that he's an adult?
Did he gain fame or notoriety by doing something?
Was his death accidental? Intentional?
Was he alone when he died?
Would his death be considered "untimely"?
Did he die while doing something foolish? Heroic? Physically exhausting? Requiring much strength?
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Hmmm...I wondered about that...

Ok, is his exact age relevant, No or sufficient to know that he's an adult? Yes
Did he gain fame or notoriety by doing something? No: this is FSEI, and the SE is a friend of mine
Was his death accidental? Intentional? See final answer
Was he alone when he died? See final answer; irrel
Would his death be considered "untimely"? See final answer; assume No
Did he die while doing something foolish? Heroic? Physically exhausting? Requiring much strength? COD irrel, assume he died naturally
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[That last answer rather messed things up: I was going to ask whether he was the winner of Monty Python's Upper Class Twit of the Year, who won the contest by clubbing himself to death. Never mind ...]

Did he die a few seconds after winning? As a result of winning? In spite of winning? In the process of winning? Some time afterwards? Could he have won and still be alive now?

Did he die before winning? And thus win a Darwin award? ;-)
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[That last answer rather messed things up: I was going to ask whether he was the winner of Monty Python's Upper Class Twit of the Year, who won the contest by clubbing himself to death. Never mind ...] I'll have to check that out sometime!

Did he die a few seconds after winning? No As a result of winning? No In spite of winning? No In the process of winning? No - the other way round Some time afterwards? No Could he have won and still be alive now? No

Did he die before winning? No: he won at the moment of his death And thus win a Darwin award? ;-) Not this time, no
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Did he win by dying at a particular time? Is this anything to do with deadpools/celebrity death sweepstakes?
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Did he win by dying at a particular time? No Is this anything to do with deadpools/celebrity death sweepstakes? No
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Is the year/era/historic period relevant?
Does "he won" indicate that he defeated another person? Another thing? Defeated/disproved a theory? Won a victory over death?
Was anyone saddened by his death?
Was anyone joyful about his death?
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Is the year/era/historic period relevant? Yes; 21st century
Does "he won" indicate that he defeated another person? Another thing? Defeated/disproved a theory? Won a victory over death? None of these
Was anyone saddened by his death? Yes, but irr
Was anyone joyful about his death? Yes, but irr
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Was he a famous person?
Was he a criminal?
Was he a politician?
Was he a religious figure?
Was he just an "average joe"?
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Was he a famous person?
Was he a criminal?
Was he a politician?
Was he a religious figure?
Was he just an "average joe"? This
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So his death occurred sometime from the year 2000 to now?
Did he have a funeral? Is that relevant?
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So his death occurred sometime from the year 2000 to now? Yes, but don't get too caught up in this.
Did he have a funeral? Assume Yes Is that relevant? No

HINT: Focus on "he won".
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Focus? Easier said than done on this one!

Was he the first to die, among some other people? Like, he died at 12:01 AM on January 1st 2000, making him the first person to die in the new century? Anything like that?
Is it relevant where he was when he died? What he was doing? Who he was with?

So now I'm just thinking of ways that a person can win - one can win:
a contest? a bet? an award? freedom? recognition? I know some of these have been ruled out already, but does it relate to any of them remotely?
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Focus? Easier said than done on this one!

Was he the first to die, among some other people? No Like, he died at 12:01 AM on January 1st 2000, making him the first person to die in the new century? No Anything like that? No
Is it relevant where he was when he died? No What he was doing? No Who he was with? No

So now I'm just thinking of ways that a person can win - one can win:
a contest? a bet? an award? freedom? recognition? None of these I know some of these have been ruled out already, but does it relate to any of them remotely? Well, I suppose "contest" is closest, but it wouldn't be considered a contest.
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Is there another person relevant? Someone who "loses"?
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Is there another person relevant? No, but... Someone who "loses"? ...there are an awful lot of people who lose.

And nice to see you around, Kaygee...it's been a few months!
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BLOOPER: There is another person relevant, but not at the moment of his death.
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Wow! It's nice to be missed. Thanks.

Did he fulfill a promise? Or realize a prophecy?
Anything to do with personal convictions?
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Wow! It's nice to be missed. Thanks.

Did he fulfill a promise? Or realize a prophecy?
Anything to do with personal convictions? No to all
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Is this more like a competition?
Is anything about the man's life relevant? Like a job he had, any family members of his, any accomplishments during his life?
Is the place where he lived relevant?
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Is this more like a competition? No...
Is anything about the man's life relevant? Yes Like a job he had, any family members of his, any accomplishments during his life? None of these; it's a hobby (with svv of "hobby" of his
Is the place where he lived relevant? No
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Ok, the fog may be clearing some now...

Did the man have a will? Is that relevant?
Was there someone that the man knew who would know about this "win"?
So even though he was overall an average guy, there was some activity he participated in during his life that separates him from most other people?
Is money relevant? Buried or hidden treasure? Inheritances?
Was some kind of relevant set of actions set into motion by his death?
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Ok, the fog may be clearing some now...

Did the man have a will? Assume yes Is that relevant? No
Was there someone that the man knew who would know about this "win"? Assume no
So even though he was overall an average guy, there was some activity he participated in during his life that separates him from most other people? Yes, svv of "activity"
Is money relevant? Buried or hidden treasure? Inheritances? None of these
Was some kind of relevant set of actions set into motion by his death? No

CRYPTIC HINT: People really assume sisters have cute kittens.
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Does it matter on what day he died?
On what date?
At what time of day/night?

This "other relevant person" that you referred to, does their importance/relevance come into the story after the man died? Before he died?
Did this other person participate in the same hobby/activity?
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Does it matter on what day he died?
On what date?
At what time of day/night? No to all

This "other relevant person" that you referred to, does their importance/relevance come into the story after the man died? Before he died? This
Did this other person participate in the same hobby/activity? Yes!
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So this man outlived the "other person"?
Is that how he "won"?
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So this man outlived the "other person"? Possibly; irrel
Is that how he "won"? No

HINT: Recall that the above hint is initially cryptic.
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I'm still chewing on the hint, cryptic hints usually take me a long time to decipher, if I ever do

Did the hobby/activity have something to do with longevity of life? Was it something dangerous? Scientific?

Does it matter how much time passed between the deaths of the two men? Was it two men, or is the other person a woman? Does it matter?
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I'm still chewing on the hint, cryptic hints usually take me a long time to decipher, if I ever do

Did the hobby/activity have something to do with longevity of life? Noish Was it something dangerous? Yes Scientific? No

Does it matter how much time passed between the deaths of the two men? No Was it two men, Assume this or is the other person a woman? Does it matter? No
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So Man #1 and Man #2 both had this hobby in common...

Did #2 (the "other person") also die of natural causes? Was #2 also an older adult when he died?
Was the hobby some kind of sporting activity? Something like hang gliding, bungee jumping, rock climbing, cave exploring...?
Or was it a more passive activity? Like gambling?
Did the men know each other?
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So Man #1 and Man #2 both had this hobby in common... Yes

Did #2 (the "other person") also die of natural causes? Was #2 also an older adult when he died? Assume Yes to both, but irr
Was the hobby some kind of sporting activity? No Something like hang gliding, bungee jumping, rock climbing, cave exploring...?
Or was it a more passive activity? Yes Like gambling? But not this
Did the men know each other? Assume Yes
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Did they both study a common interest?
Were they scientists?
Could the "hobby" have led to their immediate deaths at any moment while pursuing it?
Did both men participate in the hobby up until the point of their deaths?
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Did they both study a common interest? No
Were they scientists? No
Could the "hobby" have led to their immediate deaths at any moment while pursuing it? Pursuing what?
Did both men participate in the hobby up until the point of their deaths? Irrel
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Was it not so much a hobby as a "belief", or some kind of faith in something?
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Was it not so much a hobby as a "belief", or some kind of faith in something? No

And the answer to "Could the 'hobby' have led to their immediate deaths at any moment while pursuing it?" should be "Yes, but pursuing what?"
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Maybe a better question would be "participating in"...

I know it wasn't gambling, but even though that is a fairly passive activity, it could get dangerous very quickly and lead to immediate death (like if someone makes bets and loses and cannot "pay up"). This is what I was trying to ask.

Were these men alcoholics? Did their activity involve buying anything? Watching TV? Using a computer? Using a phone?
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Maybe a better question would be "participating in"... See below

I know it wasn't gambling, but even though that is a fairly passive activity, it could get dangerous very quickly and lead to immediate death (like if someone makes bets and loses and cannot "pay up"). This is what I was trying to ask. Ah. The answer is Yes.

Were these men alcoholics? Yes! Did their activity involve buying anything? Watching TV? Using a computer? Using a phone?
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I'm still lost on the cryptic hint, so I'll push forward without it

Did either of the men attempt to give up drinking alcohol? Were either of them successful? Were they in AA, or some kind of rehab program?
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I'm still lost on the cryptic hint, so I'll push forward without it You might need it, so I'll say that the key word in the second hint is "initially".

Did either of the men attempt to give up drinking alcohol? Were either of them successful? Were they in AA, or some kind of rehab program? All are irrel - assume No to all
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"sisters" from the hint = nuns? siblings? does it matter?

So there was something about Man #1 that made him a winner, and #2 a loser? And you said that there are a lot of losers?
Was Man #1 the winner because he was the first among others to do something? Or because he possessed different characteristics than #2 and the other losers?
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"sisters" from the hint = nuns? siblings? does it matter? Irrel, but I intended "siblings". Think "initially".

So there was something about Man #1 that made him a winner, and #2 a loser? Yes And you said that there are a lot of losers? Yes
Was Man #1 the winner because he was the first among others to do something? No, and he was not "the" winner, but "a" winner - there can be more than one, but it is highly unlikely. Or because he possessed different characteristics than #2 and the other losers? Yes, svv of "characteristics"
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Is race (as in ethnic origin) relevant?
If the order of their deaths were reversed (Man #2 had died after Man #1), would Man #1 still be considered the winner?
Did the friends and families of these men know that the men were alcoholics? Does it matter?
Did the men consume alcohol frequently? Only at night? Only in certain places? To a point that it would endanger their health?
Did either of them take medication? Is this relevant?
Did either of them suffer from any type of illness or disease? Does it matter?
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Is race (as in ethnic origin) relevant? No
If the order of their deaths were reversed (Man #2 had died after Man #1), would Man #1 still be considered the winner? Yes - it's irrel which died first
Did the friends and families of these men know that the men were alcoholics? Assume yes Does it matter? No
Did the men consume alcohol frequently? Assume yes, but irr Only at night? Assume no, but irr Only in certain places? Yope, explore To a point that it would endanger their health? Assume yes, but irr
Did either of them take medication? Assume no Is this relevant? No
Did either of them suffer from any type of illness or disease? Assume no Does it matter? No
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Did the man win a coin toss?
Is the type of alcoholic beverage(s) that they consumed relevant?
Only in certain places...did they drink at work? At home? At school? In bars? Some other place(s)?
Was either man married? Does it matter?
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Did the man win a coin toss? No
Is the type of alcoholic beverage(s) that they consumed relevant? No
Only in certain places...did they drink at work? At home? At school? In bars? This - at the relevant point, they drank together in the same bar. Some other place(s)?
Was either man married? Irrel Does it matter?
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Did the 2 men ever have a conversation? An argument? Did they ever speak directly to each other? Did one of them ever challenge the other one? Were they both in the same bar only on 1 occasion? Many times?
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Did the 2 men ever have a conversation? This is important An argument? Did they ever speak directly to each other? This is important Did one of them ever challenge the other one? Were they both in the same bar only on 1 occasion? Many times? Assume this, but only one occasion is relevant
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So at some point, these two men talked to each other?
Had they seen each other at this location prior to talking to each other?
After they talked to each other, did they see each other at this location ever again?
Was their conversation friendly? Did both men speak? Did the conversation lead to a fight? A friendship? Was Man #1 older than #2? Or #2 was older than #1? Does it matter?
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So at some point, these two men talked to each other? Yes
Had they seen each other at this location prior to talking to each other? Possibly, but irr
After they talked to each other, did they see each other at this location ever again? Possibly, but irr
Was their conversation friendly? Yes Did both men speak? Yes Did the conversation lead to a fight? No A friendship? Possibly, but assume it went no further than bar buddies Was Man #1 older than #2? Or #2 was older than #1? Does it matter? Irrel
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Did the conversation relate to their common enjoyment of alcohol? Something else they had in common?
Did they decide to talk to each other because they both came to the same place on a regular basis? Or did something else spark the conversation? Were they watching TV together? Does it matter how either of them were dressed?
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Did the conversation relate to their common enjoyment of alcohol? Something else they had in common?
Did they decide to talk to each other because they both came to the same place on a regular basis? Or did something else spark the conversation? Were they watching TV together? Does it matter how either of them were dressed? No to all. I will say that Man #2 started the conversation, and the conversation is directly related to what Man #1 won.
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Did Man #2 think that Man #1 was better looking than he was? Or worse looking?
Did any of these factor into their conversation...
their ages?
their apparent fitness/physical health?
something they wanted to achieve in life?

Did Man #1 win a "prize", even though he wasn't alive to receive it? Did he win fame?

If these 2 guys had met, for instance, at a gym or at the park, is it likely that this conversation would have come up?
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Did Man #2 think that Man #1 was better looking than he was? Or worse looking? Irrel
Did any of these factor into their conversation...
their ages?
their apparent fitness/physical health?
something they wanted to achieve in life? None of these

Did Man #1 win a "prize", even though he wasn't alive to receive it? Did he win fame? Neither. The category is about the one thing you haven't guessed yet - change one letter in the latter guess, add an article, and you'll have it.

If these 2 guys had met, for instance, at a gym or at the park, is it likely that this conversation would have come up? It could have come up anywhere; however, the man likely would not have won had this not been at a bar.
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He won a game? Or "the" game?
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He won a game? Yes... Or "the" game? Haha, yes! (And I just lost.)
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So are you one of the two men in the story, in real life? Is this LPF related? Are lateral puzzles in general related?
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So are you one of the two men in the story, in real life? No - recall, this is FSEI Is this LPF related? No Are lateral puzzles in general related? No (unless you count the cryptic clue - initials of the words in the clue spelled "prashck", which should become clear when you type it into the search box)
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RECAP:

A man won The Game. How he did so is directly related to a conversation he had with another man in a bar.
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So they both realized that they were participating? And Man #1 died before he admitted that he lost?
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So they both realized that they were participating? Noish! And Man #1 died before he admitted that he lost? No...they both died well after the conversation took place.
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There was something that these men were trying to avoid thinking about? Were they trying not to think about death? Something else specific? Or the game itself?
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There was something that these men were trying to avoid thinking about? No... Were they trying not to think about death? Something else specific? Or the game itself? ...although this is what the conversation was about.
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Was there something they were trying not to do? Trying not to say?
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Was there something they were trying not to do? Trying not to say? Neither

BLOOPER: "Or did something else spark the conversation" should be Yes to Yope.
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Was there something they were trying not to do? Trying not to say? Neither

BLOOPER: "Or did something else spark the conversation" should be Yes to Yope.
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Was one of the men holding a sign? Or did one of them say "I lost"? Was there some other way that one man signalled his awareness of this idea of winning or losing?
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Was one of the men holding a sign? No Or did one of them say "I lost"? Yes, Man #2. That was the start of the conversation. Was there some other way that one man signalled his awareness of this idea of winning or losing? See prev answer
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Did Man #1 know about the game? Before he talked to Man #2? Did Man #1 continue "losing" after the conversation with Man #1, but Man #1 didn't think about it much because he was drunk and didn't remember talking about it with Man #2?
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Did Man #1 know about the game? Before he talked to Man #2? No! Excellent question! Did Man #1 I assume you mean "Man #2" here... continue "losing" after the conversation with Man #1, but Man #1 didn't think about it much because he was drunk and didn't remember talking about it with Man #2? ...because this is exactly right.

**********SPOILER**********

Two men were having drinks in a bar, when one of them (Man #2) suddenly laughed and said "I just lost The Game." The other man (Man #1) had no idea what The Game was, so they conversed about it for a little while. However, Man #1 was drunk, and when he woke up the next day, he had no memory of the conversation, or of The Game. As such, he was able to go the rest of his life without thinking about The Game, and since he had heard about it, but never thought about it again, he won.

Nice job, Ixoye, on the nearly solo solve.
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Wow! Great puzzle! I usually pass on puzzles that start with a 2 or 3 word snippet, but this one looked challenging and indeed it was. Good job of hosting and placing helpful hints!
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Thanks!

I tend to stay away from those puzzles too, and try to avoid 2 or 3 word puzzle statements, but this was the most lateral (and probably most evil - heh heh) way I could put it. My next puzzle is (hopefully) a lot less evil....
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I just lost the Game.

(I hate having to announce it every time I lose it.)

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