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America's unpopular Vietnam war had a lasting effect on religion in America. What was it and how come?
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Did it help bring Eastern religion into the country? Make it more widespread?

If not that, is a specific religion relevant? Religion in general?
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Did it help bring Eastern religion into the country? Make it more widespread?

If not that, is a specific religion relevant? Religion in general?
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Anything to do with the music used in war movies?
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Did it help bring Eastern religion into the country? Make it more widespread?

If not that, is a specific religion relevant? Religion in general?
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Did it help bring Eastern religion into the country? irrel, but I doubt itMake it more widespread? ditto

If not that, is a specific religion relevant? yesish Religion in general? no
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Anything to do with the music used in war movies?no
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Is the draft relevant? did people do something relevant to avoid the draft? something to do with religion? to do with affiliation to a religious group? is conscientious objection relevant? is there a relevant connection between religion and the draft?

the effect on religion - to increase participants? decrease? to make more popular? less popular? more donations? fewer donatsions?

are ministers of religion relevant? religious buildings? congregations? religious books? churchgoing?
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Is the draft relevant? yes did people do something relevant to avoid the draft? yessomething to do with religion? yes to do with affiliation to a religious group? yes is conscientious objection relevant? nois the a relevant connection between religion and the draft? yes

the effect on religion - to increase participants? no decrease? noto make more popular? no less popular? no more donations? no fewer donatsions?

are ministers of religion relevant? yes religious buildings? no congregations? noish religious books? nochurchgoing? no
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did people say they were ministers to avoid the draft? or actually become ministers to avoid the draft?relevant religion - christianity? islam? jewish religion?

monks relevant?
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did people say they were ministers to avoid the draft? see next answer or actually become ministers to avoid the draft? Yes. Seminary students were excused from the draft, which I think is outrageous, especially in a country founded on the separation of church & staterelevant religion - christianity? yes islam? I heard only of Christians & Jews doing this, but Muslims could have too, and maybe some did. Islam was rare in America in those days, or at least kept a low profile jewish religion? yes

monks relevant? no
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Since it was an increase in the number of ministers, did the number of churches increase? Or did something about the faith itself change? I could see that if there were more people becoming ministers solely to avoid the draft, it would dilute the faith, so to say...relevant?
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Since it was an increase in the number of ministers, did the number of churches increase? I don't know, but if so, it's not what I have in mind. (Maybe existing churches came to have more ministers.Or did something about the faith itself change? yesI could see that if there were more people becoming ministers solely to avoid the draft, it would dilute the faith, so to say...relevant? This could happen & maybe it did, but it's not what I read about.
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Is openness relevant? Acceptance? Did an action that was once considered wrong become considered right? Like homosexuality? Are drugs relevant?
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Is openness relevant? noAcceptance? noish Did an action that was once considered wrong become considered right? not quite but you're ORT Like homosexuality? noish Are drugs relevant? noish
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Possible lack of moral conviction in the resulting clergy relevant?
Like they failed to set a good moral example?
Is the concept that more ordained ministers would mean less need for the work of laymen relevant?
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Possible lack of moral conviction in the resulting clergy relevant? no
Like they failed to set a good moral example? no
Is the concept that more ordained ministers would mean less need for the work of laymen relevant? no
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Is there some status or mindset present in those that escaped the draft that contributed to the change?
Or is it simply the increased number of ministers that resulted in the change?
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Is there some status or mindset present in those that escaped the draft that contributed to the change? yes
Or is it simply the increased number of ministers that resulted in the change? no
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Any of these mindsets relevant:
Anti-war?
Liberal?
Cowardly?
Anti-government or anti-establishment?
Dishonest?

The thing that changed:
A mindset or attitude of the members of the church?
Non-religious actions of the church members?
Religious practices of the church and/or members?
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Any of these mindsets relevant:
Anti-war? yes
Liberal? yes
Cowardly? no
Anti-government or anti-establishment? yes
Dishonest? no

The thing that changed:
A mindset or attitude of the members of the church? yope
Non-religious actions of the church members? yope
Religious practices of the church and/or members?yesish
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Did they start doing something they hadn't done before?
Or stop doing something they were doing prior?
Or both?

Is it something that might have affected all denominations of Christianity?

Is it related to strictness of moral teching?

Is it related to preaching?
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Did they start doing something they hadn't done before see next answer
Or stop doing something they were doing prior? see next answer
Or both? yesish

Is it something that might have affected all denominations of Christianity? probably not

Is it related to strictness of moral teching?yesish or yope

Is it related to preaching? yes
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Were sermons given that were more related to politicals than religion? Was there an increase in these "political sermons"?
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Were sermons given that were more related to politicals than religion? yes Was there an increase in these "political sermons"? Yes, but this is just one facet of the cxhange. You're very ORT--just get more general!!
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Did the ministers simply start preaching politics to their congregations?
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Did the ministers simply start preaching politics to their congregations? see below

I think this is close enough for me to declare a

**** SPOILER ***************

Every war has people who don't want to fight it for the sensible reason that they are unwilling to risk life & limb. Going to a seminary is a way of avoiding the draft in the US, so many people probably did that in every war (when the US had a draft, which it didn't always & fortunately no longer does). But with the Vietnam war, draft resisters often had a political reason; they opposed the war itself. Such opposition, unlike a general unwillingness to risk life & limb, was much more common in the Left than the Right. So during the Vietnam war, many seminaries filled up with liberals & leftists, which is often given as a reason for a leftward tilt in mainstream Christianity & Judaism in the US after about 1970. Of course, the US has a prominent Religious Right, but mainline denominations like Episcopalians (formerly called "the Republican Party at prayer"), Methodists, Lutherans, & Conservative (!) Jews, have all moved leftward. Please move downward to find a harder puzzle--I hope.

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