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Nimue (Nimue)
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Posted on Sunday, August 29, 2010 - 7:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A sociologist wanted to study racism in the American job market. So he did an experiment,but overlooked something crucial and accordingly drew an unjustified conclusion. How come?
Balin (Balin)
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Did he overlook other types of discrimination? Such as sexism? Did he only study one specific type of job? One field of career? Did his conclusion find that there was a lot of racism in the job field? Some? None?
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Balin (Balin)
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Did he overlook other types of discrimination yes Such as sexism? not sexism Did he only study one specific type of job? irrelOne field of career? irrel Did his conclusion find that there was a lot of racism in the job field? Yes, and I bet there is. But his poorly designed study didn't prove it. } Some? see previous answerNone? see previous answer but one
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Is the discrimination overlooked related to age? Religion? Political views? Sexual orientation? Education? Culture? Upbringing?
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Balin (Balin)
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Is the discrimination overlooked related to age? no Religion? noPolitical views? noSexual orientation? noEducation? no Culture? yesish Upbringing? yesish
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Is accent relevant? Geographical location?
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Is accent relevant? Geographical location?
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Did he mistake some other kind of discrimination for racism? Were all/most of the race W studied part of culture X? And all/most of race Y culture Z?
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is it relevant how he performed the study? did he use 'mystery applicants'? with names that seemed to come from different racial groups?

did he hand out a questionnaire?

did he uncover another prejudice that was actually more powerful than racial prejudice?
did he make some kind of error? was there a misunderstanding?

does the discrimination relate to socioeconomic group? income?

was his conclusion that there was no racism? but actually that was because there was another stronger prejudice that was countering the effect of racism?
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Balin (Balin)
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Is accent relevant? no Geographical location?This study is of racism in the US
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Did he mistake some other kind of discrimination for racism? possibly Were all/most of the race W studied part of culture X? yope And all/most of race Y culture Z? yope
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is it relevant how he performed the study?yes did he use 'mystery applicants'? yeswith names that seemed to come from different racial groups? yes

did he hand out a questionnaire? noish

did he uncover another prejudice that was actually more powerful than racial prejudice? possibly
did he make some kind of error? yeswas there a misunderstanding? yesish

does the discrimination relate to socioeconomic group? yesincome? not income as such

was his conclusion that there was no racism? no but actually that was because there was another stronger prejudice that was countering the effect of racism? no
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did the names he chose for his mystery applicants actually seem to say something about their socioeconomic group? were the names misunderstood by the employers? misunderstood by him? did he use the wrong names for his study?
did he use names that seemed to say the applicant was black? asian? chinese? jewish? hispanic? white? did any of the names for each of these groups actually imply that the person was of high socioeconomic status? low status?
for instance - did he choose what he thought was a 'black' sounding name that was believed by the employer to be the name of a person of high socioeconomic group?

are titles relevant? Lord? Earl?
is the race of the employers he used relevant?
Nimue (Nimue)
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Kdoc (Kdoc)
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did the names he chose for his mystery applicants actually seem to say something about their socioeconomic group? yes were the names misunderstood by the employers? possibly misunderstood by him? see next answerdid he use the wrong names for his study? yes
did he use names that seemed to say the applicant was black? asian? chinese? jewish? hispanic? white? blsckdid any of the names for each of these groups actually imply that the person was of high socioeconomic status? nolow status? yes
for instance - did he choose what he thought was a 'black' sounding name that was believed by the employer to be the name of a person of high socioeconomic group? no, but you're ORT

are titles relevant? noLord? no Earl? no
is the race of the employers he used relevant? no
Balin (Balin)
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Did he use stereotypical black names? "Ghetto" names?
Nimue (Nimue)
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Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 10:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Balin (Balin)
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Did he use stereotypical black names? yes "Ghetto" names? yes

*** SPOILER *****************
A researcher who was investigating racism in the American job market sent out applications that were identical, except that some ficticious applicants had "white names" (such as 'Caitlin' or 'Megan') and some had "black" names (such as 'LaShonda' or 'DeSwhawn'). He found that the applicants with "black" names were less likely to get interviews. But of course the stereotypically "black "names were also stereotypically lower class, so it unclear whether he was actually seeing class prejudice or race prejudice. A better study would compare, say, 'Richard Washington' with 'Richard Van Cleve.' 90% of Americans named 'Washington' are black, but the name isn't associated with any particular social class. Most Americans named 'Van Cleve' are white. A better puzzle would be harder than this one was! Check out my new one!

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