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When Tertia read about the college student who was planning to be a doctor, she said, "Well, I sure hope he's planning to be a psychiatrist," even though what she read said nothing about psychiatry or any other branch of medicine. How come?
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Did she think that as a joke? as a play on a word or phrase used to describe him?

Did she think he was particularly suited to being a psychiatrist? or particularly UNsuited to becoming any other type of doctor?

As a wild guess, is it something like he said that he wanted to "change minds" as a doctor, meaning of course he wanted to convince people of his opinions, but you thought that as a psychiatrist he could do so literally?
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Did she think that as a joke? yesish or yope as a play on a word or phrase used to describe him? no

Did she think he was particularly suited to being a psychiatrist? no or particularly UNsuited to becoming any other type of doctor? yes

As a wild guess, is it something like he said that he wanted to "change minds" as a doctor, meaning of course he wanted to convince people of his opinions, but you thought that as a psychiatrist he could do so literally? no
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Was he blind? Did she think he was blind? Was he student of college for blind people?
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Did she know him? Can we call him Vladimir? Did she view him as mentally ill himself, and that being a psychiatrist would cure that? Is Tertia just any random person? Relevant where she read about him?
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is his surname relevant? something that would put patients off?

does he behave in a way that would be unsuitable for a doctor?

the relevant thing that he would be unsuitable for: using needles? using surgical implements? using diagnostic equipment of any sort? physically examining a patient? working at night? working under pressure? working in a team? working with nurses? using radiological equipment? interpreting physical signs of a patient?

did Tertia fully understand the role of a psychiatrist? that they examine patients? that they prescribe for patients?

might she just as easily have said she hoped he would become another type of doctor? some other type that has little patients contact?

does he have a relevant physical attribute? a medical condition? a disability? a tremor? one hand?

did she think, if he was a regular doctor, his patients would be in physical danger? be unhappy? be poorly diagnosed? poorly treated? would die?
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Was he blind? No Did she think he was blind? No, but you're ORTish Was he student of college for blind people? no
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Did she know him? noCan we call him Vladimir? sure Did she view him as mentally ill himself, and that being a psychiatrist would cure that? noIs Tertia just any random person? no Relevant where she read about him? yes
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is his surname relevant? nosomething that would put patients off? no (but I once knew a man whose last name was 'Butcher" & whose mother was a nurse)

does he behave in a way that would be unsuitable for a doctor? no

the relevant thing that he would be unsuitable for: using needles? yes using surgical implements? yesusing diagnostic equipment of any sort? no physically examining a patient? \b {probably}working at night? no working under pressure? noworking in a team? no working with nurses? no using radiological equipment? possiblyinterpreting physical signs of a patient? no

did Tertia fully understand the role of a psychiatrist? yers that they examine patients? yope that they prescribe for patients? yes

might she just as easily have said she hoped he would become another type of doctor? I can think of one other type that would work, & it may not be the only one, but a psychiatrist is the obvious choice some other type that has little patients contact? yesish

does he have a relevant physical attribute? no. but you're ORT a medical condition? see next answer a disability? no, but you're ORT a tremor? ditto one hand? ditto

did she think, if he was a regular doctor, his patients would be in physical danger? be unhappy? be poorly diagnosed? poorly treated? would die? possiblyish for all, but keep inj mind that I said 'yesish or yope' to the question about whether she was joking
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Did she say it in a joking manner, but was actually serious? Or semi-serious? Does Vladimir have a physical disablility? An illness? A habit that would give him a disadvantage? Or make him dangerous? Does Tertia think he has any of these? If so, which one? Did she read about him in a book? Newspaper? Medical journal? Magazine? Is Tertia a doctor? A psychiatrist? A teacher? Someone else involved in education? Are you Tertia?
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Did she say it in a joking manner, but was actually serious? yesish Or semi-serious? yesDoes Vladimir have a physical disablility? no An illness? no A habit that would give him a disadvantage? no Or make him dangerous? no Does Tertia think he has any of these? noIf so, which one? Did she read about him in a book? no Newspaper? possibly Medical journal? noMagazine? possiblyIs Tertia a doctor? irrel A psychiatrist? irrelA teacher? irrel Someone else involved in education? irrelAre you Tertia? yes but irrel
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Is the college Vladimir goes to relevant? Is he at medical school Which would make it obvious that he plans to be a doctor?
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Is the college Vladimir goes to relevant? yes Is he at medical school? no Which would make it obvious that he plans to be a doctor? no
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College: LTPF list of continents
Did she read about him in the newspaper? A magazine? A book? Online?
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College: LTPF list of continent Any historically black college in the USA
Did she read about him in the newspaper? possibly A magazine? possibly A book? no Online? possibly
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Is Vladimir black? Was it something about Vladimir that made you say this? Something he said?
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Is Vladimir black? yes Was it something about Vladimir that made you say this? yesish Something he said? yes
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Was the thing he said about his studies? His goals? Something he had done? Something about himself?
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Was the thing he said about his studies yeish His goals? yesish Something he had done? no Something about himself? yes
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Would this work if Vladimir were white? And attended a mostly-white school? Or were another minority? And attended a school of mostly that minority?
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Would this work if Vladimir were white? noish And attended a mostly-white school? no Or were another minority? noish And attended a school of mostly that minority? no
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Does the thing Vladimir said directly relate to his being black? To his attending a black college?
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does she have a reason to think he is particularly clumsy? unable to manipulate medical instruments? does he play a relevant sport? has she seen or heard of him doing something that makes it seem he would be unsuitable for handling delicate instruments? such as seeing him play ball and dropping the ball a lot? or is he actually very large? a basketball player? so would find it hard to manipulate medical instruments in a delicate enough way?
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Does the thing Vladimir said directly relate to his being black? yesish To his attending a black college? yes
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does she have a reason to think he is particularly clumsy? yesish, but remember, she's semi-joking. More accurately--HINT--she's being sarcasticunable to manipulate medical instruments? see previous answer does he play a relevant sport? no has she seen or heard of him doing something that makes it seem he would be unsuitable for handling delicate instruments? noish such as seeing him play ball and dropping the ball a lot? noor is he actually very large? no a basketball player? so would find it hard to manipulate medical instruments in a delicate enough way? no
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Is he squeamish?
Did he say something that made her (you) think that he was mentally unsound?
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Is he squeamish? no
Did he say something that made her (you) think that he was mentally unsound? no
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Did he say something about his achievements? In light of being black? Coming from a black college?
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Did he say something about his achievements?
yope
In light of being black? yopeComing from a black college? He did say something about attending a black college.
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What you read: Did it focus on just this one person? A group of people? The college? The community? An event?
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What you read: Did it focus on just this one person? yope A group of people? yope The college? yope The community? no An event? noish
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Did he say something about being black? And about attending a black college? When the first statement is obvious in light of the second?
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Did he say something about being black? not specifically, but see next answer And about attending a black college? yesWhen the first statement is obvious in light of the second? noish
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HINT: Find out where the student made the statement.We've already established that it could be in a newspaper, magazine, or online, but in what context? An article? An op-0ed column? Or. . . .
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Did he say it in an interview?
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Did he say it in an interview? noish or yope
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So, was it a plain interview, or an article where he was quoted saying the relevant part? If the latter, was it an article about people attending that specific college? About Vladimir in particular? About black young men in general?

Another line: was it an article? an advertisement? just a quote used as some kind of a motto for an article? Other than mentioning he attended a black college, did Vladimir say something of relevance related to black people? To medicine? Did he say something like "I want to heal people" but it was obvious from the context that he at best could end up only as a psychiatrist (as opposed to a surgeon, for example)?
The relevant text that he said: a word? an expression? a phrase? a paragraph? longer?

I think that has been answered earlier, but I would like to be sure: all circumstances being similar (mutatis mutandis), could you derive the same reasoning for a white man as opposed to a black one? If not, is this related to social status? Public perception of black people? (Provided this might the case there, I might be off track here not seeing a black man 'live' before reaching my 20s)
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So, was it a plain interview, or an article where he was quoted saying the relevant part? see below If the latter, was it an article about people attending that specific college? no, but you're ORTAbout Vladimir in particular? yesish About black young men in general? no

Another line: was it an article? no an advertisement? yes just a quote used as some kind of a motto for an article? yes, a motto for an advertisement Other than mentioning he attended a black college, did Vladimir say something of relevance related to black people? yesishTo medicine? noish Did he say something like "I want to heal people" no but it was obvious from the context that he at best could end up only as a psychiatrist (as opposed to a surgeon, for example)?yesish, but remember that Tertia's remark was semi-sarcastic
The relevant text that he said: a word? an expression? a phrase? a paragraph? longer? 2 sentences

I think that has been answered earlier, but I would like to be sure: all circumstances being similar (mutatis mutandis), could you derive the same reasoning for a white man as opposed to a black one? in some contextsIf not, is this related to social status? yesPublic perception of black people? noish (Provided this might the case there, I might be off track here not seeing a black man 'live' before reaching my 20s) Where did you grow up? I'm from Brooklyn, & I don't think I saw a real, live conservative before I went away to college.
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Rbruma--I just checked your registration page & saw that you are in Romania. I ADORE traditional Romanian clothing & have lots of embroidered antique Romanian blouses & skirts. Do you have any idea where I can buy more? I want things I can actually wear, so they have to be in pretty good condition. But not perfect,necessarily--I'm not in perfect condition myself!
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A short recap -- two sentences as a motto for an advertisement: our fellow was quoted there. Was it an advertisement for the college? Tertia was sarcastic about that (or semi - sarcastic): did she know about that college from previous sources? I mean, something along the lines of 'yeah right, from that poor college you can only end up as a psychiatrist at the most'? Is the location of college relevant? Again using an example, midtown Manhattan as opposed to -- you name a village in the middle of nowhere?

For the clothing, I am no expert at this. Please write on the email -- that is on the profile page -- and some authentic pieces might came up :=)
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A short recap -- two sentences as a motto for an advertisement: our fellow was quoted there. Was it an advertisement for the college? Yope, but you're very ORTTertia was sarcastic about that (or semi - sarcastic): did she know about that college from previous sources?irrel I mean, something along the lines of 'yeah right, from that poor college you can only end up as a psychiatrist at the most'? No, she had no relevant view of the college's overall meritIs the location of college relevant? noishAgain using an example, midtown Manhattan as opposed to -- you name a village in the middle of nowhere? irrel--Lots of good American colleges are in the middle of nowhere!

For the clothing, I am no expert at this. Please write on the email -- that is on the profile page -- and some authentic pieces might came up :=) Do you mean on my puzzle forum registration page? How would that help??
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Wild shot: 'If you want to become a doctor, here's the place to start!' Tertia reading this: '"Right, if you want to become a f... psychiatrist." I am not sure whether to explore the black man theme or the fact that the university was to 'blame' for not giving enough options.

About the email, I meant just write an email and we'll start from there
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Wild shot: 'If you want to become a doctor, here's the place to start!' Tertia reading this: '"Right, if you want to become a f... psychiatrist." I am not sure whether to explore the black man theme or the fact that the university was to 'blame' for not giving enough options.No, the univ. was not to blame. His being black is relevant, but a similar puzzle could be formulated if he were white. --HINT: Keep in mind that he made his statement in an advertisement

About the email, I meant just write an email and we'll start from there To you? OK, I'll do that tomorrow
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Was a picture of Vladimir included in the advertisement?
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Ok, the advertisement was about: the university? higher education in general? new education options for black people? medicine? something entirely different, but that somehow made Tertia associate it with the medical profession?
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does he say something about not having to work with his hands (i.e. a more menial job) because he is going to medical school? or not be a 'manual worker'? and she knew that most doctors do have to 'work with their hands' in using medical instruments except, perhaps, psychiatrists?

did he say he was useless with his hands? but that it didn't matter as he was going to medical school?

did the advert refer to manual work at all? did it say that, if students go to that college they will get better opportunities? than other black people?
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Was a picture of Vladimir included in the advertisement?
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Ok, the advertisement was about: the university? no higher education in general? yope: HINT: it was about colleges that are primarily for black people new education options for black people? nomedicine? yopesomething entirely different, but that somehow made Tertia associate it with the medical profession? no
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does he say something about not having to work with his hands (i.e. a more menial job) because he is going to medical school? or not be a 'manual worker'? no, but you're ORT and she knew that most doctors do have to 'work with their hands' in using medical instruments except, perhaps, psychiatrists?that is why she made the remark about psychiatrists, but the ad does not say he won't have to work with his hands

did he say he was useless with his hands? no, but you're ORT but that it didn't matter as he was going to medical school? no

did the advert refer to manual work at all? yes did it say that, if students go to that college they will get better opportunities? yesishthan other black people? yesish
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You missed my question....
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Was a picture of Vladimir included in the advertisement? No, but you're ORT
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You missed my question.... Rectified, with my apology
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Was he disabled in some way? Missing a limb?
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Was he disabled in some way? no Missing a limb? no
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Was a physical description of Vladimir included in the ad?
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Was a physical description of Vladimir included in the ad? no
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Was there in the ad a relevant picture?
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Was there in the ad a relevant picture? yes-- GOOOOOOOD QUESTION!!
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Tertia's remark was prompted by: something written in the ad? The relevant picture? A combination of both? Was there a contradiction between the text and the picture? Like the ad saying: "Here all black people can become skillful doctors" and the picture was that of a sanatorium? Incidentally: was skill implied in the text? the picture?
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Tertia's remark was prompted by: something written in the ad? yesThe relevant picture? yes A combination of both? yes Was there a contradiction between the text and the picture? no Like the ad saying: "Here all black people can become skillful doctors" and the picture was that of a sanatorium? no Incidentally: was skill implied in the text? noish the picture? ditto
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Did the written part of the ad say something that was obvious from the picture?
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Did the written part of the ad say something that was obvious from the picture? no
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Was the picture related to medicine? To doctors?
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Was the picture related to medicine?no To doctors? no
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HINT: There is condition that is a lot more common among blacks than among whites in America & that is the most relevant thing about Vladimir. Find out what this condition is.
RECAP: Add the following to the puzzle description. Vladimir is a student at a black college & he is quoted in an ad that includes a picture but not a picture of him. (The student in the puzzle statement was Tertia, but somehow she turned into Vladimir--from which you can infer that the student's gender is irrel.)
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Level of education relevant? Housing? Income? Upbringing? Drug use?
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Level of education relevant? yope Housing? no Income? YES. The main thing that's relevant about Vladimir is that he's poor, attends a blask college, & is planning to go to medical school Upbringing? yopeDrug use? no
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Did the quote mention Vladimir's income? Future plans? GPA? Was the advertisement for the black college? For the medical school? For something else education-related?
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Did the quote mention Vladimir's income? yope & you're very ORTFuture plans? just his plan to be a doctor GPA? no Was the advertisement for the black college? yesish For the medical school? no For something else education-related? yesish
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Scholarships relevant? Other financial aid?
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Scholarships relevant? yesish Other financial aid? yes
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Affirmative action relevant?
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Affirmative action relevant? no
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Was the advertised financial aid (in Tertia's opinion): too small? too big? Did she think specifically of a psychiatrist or just that with that kind of help he is bound to end up in a psychiatric hospital (maybe as a patient)? Was the financial aid one for instruments likely to be used in medicine? Was the ad describing (in relevant part) the conditions that the college posesses (medical equipment, etc)?
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Was the advertised financial aid (in Tertia's opinion): too small? no/false assumption too big? dottoDid she think specifically of a psychiatrist or just that with that kind of help he is bound to end up in a psychiatric hospital (maybe as a patient)? dittoWas the financial aid one for instruments likely to be used in medicine? dittoWas the ad describing (in relevant part) the conditions that the college posesses (medical equipment, etc)? no
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Is medical school directly relevant to the puzzle beyond the fact that med school in general is expensive? Does the poster mention where the student plans to go to medical school? If so, is it an even-more-expensive than usual school? Or one that is notorious for giving very little financial aid? Or, is there something special about the psychiatry department at a specific medical school?
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Is medical school directly relevant to the puzzle beyond the fact that med school in general is expensive?yope Does the poster mention where the student plans to go to medical school? no If so, is it an even-more-expensive than usual school? nn/a Or one that is notorious for giving very little financial aid? n/a Or, is there something special about the psychiatry department at a specific medical school? n/a
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HINT: We've already established that the ad contains a relevant picture. HINT: It's a person. Find out who & what that person is pictured as doing.
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Is the person HAM? HAF? Is the person a doctor? A black person?
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Is the person HAM? no HAF? yes Is the person a doctor?b{ no} A black person? yes
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Was the problem that the quote was attributed to Vladimir (a male), but that the picture was of a female?
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Was the problem that the quote was attributed to Vladimir (a male), but that the picture was of a female? no
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Is the picture of Tertia?
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Is the female in the picture related to Vladimir? Does she know him?
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I don't know if this has been established yet, but as far as I can see it hasn't:

Would him being a psychologist be just as consistent with the ad? If not, is it merely because psychologists are not medical doctors? or is there a reason more inherent to the type of work done by each?
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Is the picture of Tertia? no
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Is the female in the picture related to Vladimir? yesDoes she know him? yes
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I don't know if this has been established yet, but as far as I can see it hasn't:

Would him being a psychologist be just as consistent with the ad? no If not, is it merely because psychologists are not medical doctors? yes or is there a reason more inherent to the type of work done by each? no
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Vladimir's wife? Mother? Sister? Other relative? A friend?
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Vladimir's wife? Mother? Sister? Other relative? A friend? Mother, although since this was an ad, it was probably a model posing as his mother
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Did the ad use the phrase "my son"?
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Did the ad use the phrase "my son"?No, but you're very ORT!!
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Did the ad mention that the woman in the picture was Vlad's mom?
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Did the ad mention that the woman in the picture was Vlad's mom? Yes. Now--HINT--find out what the ad pictured her as doing.
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Did it picture her as doing something related to medicine?
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Did it picture her as doing something related to medicine? noish
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Did it picture her caring for her son?
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Did it picture her caring for her son? noish
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In the picture, was she speaking? Was she doing something for Vlad? With Vlad?
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In the picture, was she speaking? no Was she doing something for Vlad? yes With Vlad? no
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Was only the mother in the picture? Was she giving something to Vlad? Caring for him in any way? Making him food?
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Was only the mother in the picture? No other people were in the picture Was she giving something to Vlad? no Caring for him in any way? yope Making him food? no
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Was she holding something? Was her whole body pictured? Just the upper body? Just the head?
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Was she holding something? yes Was her whole body pictured? yes Just the upper body? no Just the head? no
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Was she holding something related to academics? Her son's diploma?
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Was she holding something related to academics? no Her son's diploma? no
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The thing she was holding - was it related to Vlad's background? Upbringing? Education? Dreams?
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The thing she was holding - was it related to Vlad's background? noish Upbringing? noEducation? yope Dreams? yope
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Was it related to his environment growing up? Was it something used for education, but not mainly for it? Like a pencil?
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Was it related to his environment growing up? yope Was it something used for education, but not mainly for it? no Like a pencil? no
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Was it related to Vlad being her son? Related to Vlad's age? Was it something that she might help "reminisce over" (like a childhood toy, or a crib, or a rattle, or something else to remind herself that Vlad is her son)?
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Was it related to Vlad being her son?yope or noish Related to Vlad's age? no Was it something that she might help "reminisce over" (like a childhood toy, or a crib, or a rattle, or something else to remind herself that Vlad is her son)? no
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If the woman was not the mother, would Tertia still have made the statement? If she was another close relative? Another "mentor"?
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If the woman was not the mother, would Tertia still have made the statement? If she was another close relative? Another "mentor"? There would have to be other changes as well, and the whole situation would be less likely
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Was she holding something belonging to herself? To her son?
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Was she holding something belonging to herself?very unlikelyTo her son? no
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Was she holding something of great value? Something associated with wealth?
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Was she holding something of great value? no Something associated with wealth? no--quite the opposite: HINT!!!
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Was she holding something symbolizing poverty?
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Was she holding something symbolizing poverty? yesish or yes
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Was she holding something broken? Or tattered? An article of clothing?
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Was she holding something broken? no Or tattered? no An article of clothing? no
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Was she holding something old? Worn-down?
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Was she holding something old? yesWorn-down? possibly
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An article of clothing? Something related to money? Is the object made of metal? Is it tarnished? Or is it a picture?
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An article of clothing? Something related to money? Is the object made of metal? Is it tarnished? Or is it a picture? No to all. HINT: Find out what she is doing with the object.
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Is she using the object? Just holding it? Relevant where she's holding it? Close to her? In her hands? Over her head? Is it a liquid? Are her hands cupped?
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Is she using the object? yes Just holding it? no Relevant where she's holding it? yesClose to her? yes, but find out more In her hands? yes Over her head? no Is it a liquid? noAre her hands cupped? no
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Is she using an elder's stick? A cup? A plate? A cat? (Doubtfully...) A dog?
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Is she using an elder's stick? A cup? A plate? A cat? (Doubtfully...) A dog? No to all. By the way, what is an elder's stick? A cane?
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Is she pouring something out of it?
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Is she pouring something out of it? No--remember, I said 'no' to a cup (although of course that's not the only thing you can pour something out of)
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Is it a container of some sort? food?
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Is it a container of some sort? nofood? no
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Is she using the object for its intended purpose? Is it made from [LTPF list of materials]?
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Is she using the object for its intended purpose? yes Is it made from [LTPF list of materials]? it's made from cloth, probably cotton
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Is it a blanket? A baby blanket?

Would Vladimir be "only suited for becoming a psychiatrist" because the ad would make him seem like a baby? Or baby-ish?
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Is it a blanket? noA baby blanket? no

Would Vladimir be "only suited for becoming a psychiatrist" because the ad would make him seem like a baby? no Or baby-ish? no
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Is the item an article of clothing? A jacket?
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Is the item an article of clothing? A jacket? no to both
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Is it a towel? A napkin? A tablecloth? A handkerchief? Is she crying?
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Is it a towel? A napkin? A tablecloth? A handkerchief? Is she crying? no to all, but a towel is closest
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A washcloth? A tissue?
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A washcloth? noish, but you're ORTA tissue? no
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is she using the cloth for its intended purpose? is she cleaning something? polishing? dusting? does the picture show her doing menial work? as a cleaner? some sort of domestic work for an employer? is the idea that her son will not have to do menial work anymore? or won't have to 'work with his hands' in future? like she has to now? that her son will achieve a higher social standing? better employment?

is she shown as a nurse? a healthcare worker of any sort? is she saying that she is a nurse but that her son will be a doctor?
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is she using the cloth for its intended purpose? yes is she cleaning something? yes polishing? no dusting? nodoes the picture show her doing menial work? yes as a cleaner? yes some sort of domestic work for an employer? yes is the idea that her son will not have to do menial work anymore? yesor won't have to 'work with his hands' in future? see next answerlike she has to now? see next answerthat her son will achieve a higher social standing? yes--as a doctor better employment? ditto

is she shown as a nurse? no a healthcare worker of any sort? no is she saying that she is a nurse but that her son will be a doctor? no, but you're ORT
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So would he "have to be a psychiatrist" because he would have to deal with his mother being of a lower class?
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So would he "have to be a psychiatrist" because he would have to deal with his mother being of a lower class? no
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Recap: Vlasdimir is very poor & his mother is doing menial work to put him through college. HINT: The work is scrubbing floors.
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Recap: Vladimir is very poor & his mother is doing menial work to put him through college. HINT: The work is scrubbing floors.
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Is she holding a sponge and bucket? A mop and bucket? Or just a sponge/mop?
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Is she holding a sponge and bucket? A mop and bucket? Or just a sponge/mop?In the actual ad, she's just holding a sponge or rag, but a mop would work as well for the puzzle
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Is she bent over? Is the idea that the mother will need medical care eventually?
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Is she bent over? yesIs the idea that the mother will need medical care eventually? no
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Is the thought that Vladimir will be making lots of money as a doctor while his mother will still be poor? That her suffering to pay for his education will...what's the word...somehow make him feel bad for wanting to become a doctor? Or something like that?
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Will somehow give him a "guilt trip" for wanting to become a doctor? (That's the phrasing I usually hear.)
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Is the thought that Vladimir will be making lots of money as a doctor while his mother will still be poor? No, but you're ORTThat her suffering to pay for his education will...what's the word...somehow make him feel bad for wanting to become a doctor? No, but you're VERY ORT Or something like that? Yes: HINT: Hannah's earlier point about working with one's hands is relevant
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Will somehow give him a "guilt trip"Achoo! I'm allergic to psychobabble! for wanting to become a doctor?You're VERY ORT (That's the phrasing I usually hear.)
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Relevant that doctors have to do precision work with their hands? Especially surgeons?
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Relevant that doctors have to do precision work with their hands? yope Especially surgeons? no
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That his mother will likely be doing more work with her hands to put him through college than he will have to do?
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I'm losing track a bit here..

so there is a picture of him with his mum? and she is shown doing cleaning work? and she is saying something? he is? there is a slogan? and is the meaning of the words basically that she is doing manual work so that he doesn't have to?

or do the words imply that when he becomes a doctor she won't have to work like that any more? or that he will be able to 'pay her back' in some way? or make her work 'worthwhile'?
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That his mother will likely be doing more work with her hands to put him through college than he will have to do? You're very ORT
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I'm losing track a bit here.. RECAP: Add the following to the puzzle statement: There is a picture of his mother scrubbing a floor & here's a HINT: The ad says, "My mother is scrubbing floors so I can be a doctor. Give to the United Negro College Fund."So why does Tertia hope he's planning to be a psychiatrist?

so there is a picture of him with his mum? noand she is shown doing cleaning work? yes and she is saying something? no he is? yes there is a slogan?yope and is the meaning of the words basically that she is doing manual work so that he doesn't have to? yesish

or do the words imply that when he becomes a doctor she won't have to work like that any more? yopeor that he will be able to 'pay her back' in some way? no or make her work 'worthwhile'? no
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BLOOOPERRRAPERTTTTTTTTT!!!! Above I have:

or do the words imply that when he becomes a doctor she won't have to work like that any more? yope

The answer should be no
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I really don't get what it is we are working towards here - other than the idea that he is somehow perceived to be saying 'my mother does manual work so I won't have to' - and that made Tertia think that he obviously doesn't realise that medicine is a 'hands on' job, with the possible exception of psychiatry (although that's not actually true!)

Is there something else to get??
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I really don't get what it is we are working towards here - other than the idea that he is somehow perceived to be saying 'my mother does manual work so I won't have to' - and that made Tertia think that he obviously doesn't realise that medicine is a 'hands on' job, with the possible exception of psychiatry (although that's not actually true!)

Is there something else to get?? You bet. HINT: Tertia is CRITICIZING him.
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Does she think that his mother will need a psychiatrist after doing all that work? That he should be working to pay for college?
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Does she think that his mother will need a psychiatrist after doing all that work? no That he should be working to pay for college? Yes!!

At last, here's the
********** SPOILER *************

When Tertia, who is this forum's own Felicia Nimue, saw the ad from the United Negro College Fund with a picture of an exhausted-looking middle aged black woman scrubbing a floor & the caption, "My mother is scrubbing floors so I can be a doctor. Give to the United Negro College Fund." she said to herself, "Well, I sure hope he's planning to be a psychiatrist, because if he has the use of his hands, he's the one who should be scrubbing floors." After all, whose education is it, anyway? Of course, I realize that parents have to make sacrifices for children who are too young to take care of themselves, but once Vladimir is an able-bodied young adult, why is his mother scrubbing floors to finance his education, rather than her own? Thanks for sticking with it, everyone & for solving it, Balin. You all know where my new puzzle is!
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What I really don't understand is parents who sacrifice to send their kids to graduate or professional school. Undergrad, I kind of understand. But I have a grad school colleague who said she "decided to go to grad school in state to save [her] parents some money" (after she had gone to undergrad out of state). Seriously? I do understand supporting your children, but I never imagined parents would actually pay for their kids' grad school! Ok, end rant. Good puzzle.
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I agree with the rant, unless the parents are so rich they wouldn't miss the money they send to their grad school "child."

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