| Author | Message | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3622 Registered: 5-2003 |
Normally, you would expect a plane without a pilot to crash, yet it didn't! Explain. | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 1286 Registered: 11-2003 |
Normal plane? One that takes off and land in real life? relevant what type of plane it is? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3625 Registered: 5-2003 |
Normal plane? Yes. One that takes off and land in real life? Yes. relevant what type of plane it is? Yes. | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 1288 Registered: 11-2003 |
Is this a true story? Did the plane take off with a pilot? And then the pilot vanished? died? during flight? Relevant what the plane carried? If so, people? goods? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4456 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was there ever a pilot? A co-pilot? Navigator? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3627 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is this a true story? Yes. Did the plane take off with a pilot? Yes. And then the pilot vanished? (In a sense.} died? No. during flight? Yes. Relevant what the plane carried? No. If so, people? Just the pilot. goods? No. Was there ever a pilot? Yes. A co-pilot? No. Navigator? No. | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 1291 Registered: 11-2003 |
Was the pilot still on the plane when it landed, just not able to pilot it? Relevant what happened to him? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3629 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was the pilot still on the plane when it landed, just not able to pilot it? No. Relevant what happened to him? Yes. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4458 Registered: 4-2010 |
Had the pilot left the plane? Jumped off? With a parachute? Had he passed out? Gotten ill? Did a passenger land the plane? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3633 Registered: 5-2003 |
Had the pilot left the plane? Yes. Jumped off? No. With a parachute? Yes. Had he passed out? No. Gotten ill? Wouldn't be surprised. Did a passenger land the plane? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4469 Registered: 4-2010 |
Had he fallen off? Was he thrown off? Carried off? Was he forced off? Did he leave on his own accord? Did the plane land with no one guiding it? Did it land at all? Was it on autopilot? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3637 Registered: 5-2003 |
Had he fallen off? Was he thrown off? Carried off? Was he forced off? No to all. Did he leave on his own accord? Yes. Did the plane land with no one guiding it? Yes. Did it land at all? Yes. Was it on autopilot? No. | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 979 Registered: 6-2008 |
Was the plane powered? if so by a propeller? or jet engines? or was it a glider? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3183 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did the pilot eject? Did the plane land on: water? Field? Airfield? Other flat ground? Was it damaged? Did it land because it ran out of fuel? Did it glide until it hit the ground? Was it damaged? If so: before the pilot left? After he left, but before it hit the ground? During landing? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3638 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was the plane powered? if so by a propeller? or jet engines? This. or was it a glider? Did the pilot eject? Yes. Did the plane land on: water? Field? This. Airfield? Other flat ground? Was it damaged? Slightly. Did it land because it ran out of fuel? No. Did it glide until it hit the ground? Yes. Was it damaged? Again, slightly. If so: before the pilot left? After he left, but before it hit the ground? During landing? This. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3184 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did the pilot eject because of an emergency? Because he was supposed to? Was it a test? An experiment? Did the pilot expect the plane to crash? Did he try to save it from crashing? Did he aim for a particular area? Relevant how long before landing he ejected? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3640 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did the pilot eject because of an emergency? Yes. Because he was supposed to? Yes. Was it a test? No. An experiment? No. Did the pilot expect the plane to crash? Yes. Did he try to save it from crashing? Until he gave up and ejected, yes. Did he aim for a particular area? No. Relevant how long before landing he ejected? No, anywhere from 5 to 30 minutes. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4495 Registered: 4-2010 |
Had the plane been damaged? By enemy fire? From airplanes? Anti-aircraft guns? Did he eject over his own territory? Over enemy territory? Did he make sure to eject at a specific time? Place? Was anyone else on board the plane? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3641 Registered: 5-2003 |
Had the plane been damaged? Before the landing, no. By enemy fire? From airplanes? Anti-aircraft guns? None of these. Did he eject over his own territory? Yes, but irrelevant. Over enemy territory? Did he make sure to eject at a specific time? No. Place? No. Was anyone else on board the plane? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4536 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the pilot in danger? Was he having a medical problem? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3646 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was the pilot in danger? Yes. Was he having a medical problem? Yes, but irrelevant. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3186 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was there anything wrong with the plane when he ejected? Did it malfunction? Did it cause his medical problem? Did he eject because he would not be able to land the plane? Because he would die otherwise? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3651 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was there anything wrong with the plane when he ejected? Yes. Did it malfunction? Hard to answer. Yope. Did it cause his medical problem? One of them; ejection is the other, as it can do nasty things to your back. Did he eject because he would not be able to land the plane? Because he would die otherwise? Yes to both. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4544 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did the plane shut off? Depressurize? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3654 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did the plane shut off? Depressurize? Neither. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4550 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did the plane run out of fuel? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 2392 Registered: 1-2001 |
Did he eject because he thought that the plane he was piloting would collide with another object? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3656 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did the plane run out of fuel? Yes (look out for FAs. Did he eject because he thought that the plane he was piloting would collide with another object? For SVV of object, yes. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4601 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did the plane have a fuel leak? Did he know the plane was going to crash? Did he realize the plane was leaking? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3658 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did the plane have a fuel leak? No. Did he know the plane was going to crash? Yes. Did he realize the plane was leaking? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4619 Registered: 4-2010 |
Had the plane not been properly fueled up before takeoff? So there was not enough fuel in the tank to make it to his destination? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3660 Registered: 5-2003 |
Had the plane not been properly fueled up before takeoff? Incorrect. So there was not enough fuel in the tank to make it to his destination? More than enough. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4622 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did the plane dump its fuel? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3661 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did the plane dump its fuel? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4625 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did the pilot end up taking a different route than originally intended? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3662 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did the pilot end up taking a different route than originally intended? Well, he didn't originally intend to eject from his plane... seriously, where he was going is irrelevant. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3190 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did he cause the plane to run out of fuel? Did he fly for too long? Abuse the afterburner? Was it a training mission? A war mission? Was he lost? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3663 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did he cause the plane to run out of fuel? Did he fly for too long? Abuse the afterburner? Was it a training mission? This. A war mission? Was he lost? No to all the others. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4693 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are any other planes relevant to the scenario? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3666 Registered: 5-2003 |
Are any other planes relevant to the scenario? Only slightly. Don't worry about them. | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 2458 Registered: 1-2001 |
Did he bail out as a result of seeing something? Something in the air? Something on the ground? Was he instructed or commanded to eject? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3674 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did he bail out as a result of seeing something? No. Something in the air? Something on the ground? Was he instructed or commanded to eject? No. | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 239 Registered: 9-2009 |
Were the instruments aboard malfunctioning, so he saw that he is out of fuel but that was only an error of the meter? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3681 Registered: 5-2003 |
Were the instruments aboard malfunctioning, No. so he saw that he is out of fuel but that was only an error of the meter? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4743 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he bail because of something he heard? Smelled? Tasted? Felt? Touched? Were gas fumes entering the plane? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 247 Registered: 9-2009 |
I don't know if this has been already cleared, but I have to ask: is this a real life event or something done on a simulator / computer? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3685 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did he bail because of something he heard? Smelled? Tasted? Felt? Not specifically because of this, but how he was feeling is relevant. Touched? Were gas fumes entering the plane? No. I guess you could say he jumped because of something he saw -- specifically, his instruments. I don't know if this has been already cleared, but I have to ask: is this a real life event or something done on a simulator / computer? This actually occurred during a flight -- it was not simulated. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4782 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he misinterpret one of the readings? Was everything reading fine? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3687 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did he misinterpret one of the readings? No. Was everything reading fine? In the sense that the instruments were working, yes. In the sense of what they actually were doing at the time, no. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4793 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was it one specific instrument that caused him to jump? The fuel gauge? Speedometer? Altimeter? Level flight indicator? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 252 Registered: 9-2009 |
Were the instruments 'sensing' a magnetic field? A powerfull electric discharge? From inside the aircraft? Outside it? Was the weather calm or was there a storm in progress or about to happen? Did the pilot conclude that, based on what he was reading, the plane was too close to the ground? that the ailerons, etc were unresponding? that fuel has been exhausted? that the plane was stalling? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3690 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was it one specific instrument that caused him to jump? The fuel gauge? Speedometer? Altimeter? Primarily this. Level flight indicator? Were the instruments 'sensing' a magnetic field? A powerfull electric discharge? Neither. From inside the aircraft? Outside it? Was the weather calm This. or was there a storm in progress or about to happen? Did the pilot conclude that, based on what he was reading, the plane was too close to the ground? Yes. that the ailerons, etc were unresponding? Yes. that fuel has been exhausted? No. that the plane was stalling? No. | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 299 Registered: 9-2009 |
If the instruments were not malfunctioning and they showed a dangerously low altitude, can we conclude that the plane _was_, in fact, at a very low altitude so the pilot decision was essentially correct? Or they (the instruments) were fine but something influenced them into showing wrong data? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3693 Registered: 5-2003 |
If the instruments were not malfunctioning and they showed a dangerously low altitude, can we conclude that the plane _was_, in fact, at a very low altitude so the pilot decision was essentially correct? Yes. Or they (the instruments) were fine but something influenced them into showing wrong data? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 310 Registered: 9-2009 |
So, he was right in deciding he must eject, correct? Left to determine: why the plane eventually landed safely? why he managed to get so abnormally low to the ground? (Did he fall asleep?) Anything else? If the latter, could you please post a short recap? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3695 Registered: 5-2003 |
So, he was right in deciding he must eject, correct? Yes. Left to determine: why the plane eventually landed safely? Yes. why he managed to get so abnormally low to the ground? Yes (though low is relative, so look out for an FA). (Did he fall asleep? No.) Anything else? No. If the latter, could you please post a short recap? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4922 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he eject over land? Sea? Did the plane land on land at a high altitude? On a mountain? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3698 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did he eject over land? This. Sea? Did the plane land on land at a high altitude? On a mountain? Somewhere in the flat part of Montana. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4928 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did the plane land on flat ground? On a runway? Was the plane damaged in the landing? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3699 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did the plane land on flat ground? Yes. On a runway? No. Was the plane damaged in the landing? Yes. | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 318 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did he pass above a high-standing object (maybe another flying object? or a bridge? some other man-made construction?) so the altimeter indicated abnormal low position and the pilot ejected? (I guess this would tentatively work only with a radar altimeter). At the time of the event, was he engaged in the landing procedure? approach? the type of terrain the aircraft eventually landed on -- is it relevant? (grass? mud? asphalt? concrete?) | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3702 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did he pass above a high-standing object (maybe another flying object? or a bridge? some other man-made construction?) so the altimeter indicated abnormal low position FA and the pilot ejected? No. (I guess this would tentatively work only with a radar altimeter). At the time of the event, was he engaged in the landing procedure? No. approach? No. the type of terrain the aircraft eventually landed on -- is it relevant? Mildly. (grass? This, with snow. mud? asphalt? concrete?) | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4933 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did the altimiter indicate an abnormally low altitude? Or just a low altitude? Did the pilot cut the engines before ejecting? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3704 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did the altimiter indicate an abnormally low altitude? Or just a low altitude? This. Did the pilot cut the engines before ejecting? No. | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 2503 Registered: 1-2001 |
Did he believe that the altimeter reading was correct? Or did he believe that it was a false reading? Just a thought...if he's flying low over snow-covered ground, the glare from the ground or somewhat foggy conditions could make it seem that he's either much higher or lower than he expects to be... Did the plane land in a snowbank? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 325 Registered: 9-2009 |
Shot in the dark: Was he in the middle of a maneuver for which a higher altitude was required, but he would have been just fine for a straight cruise? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3707 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did he believe that the altimeter reading was correct? Yes, and it was. Or did he believe that it was a false reading? Just a thought...if he's flying low over snow-covered ground, the glare from the ground or somewhat foggy conditions could make it seem that he's either much higher or lower than he expects to be... No, he's quite aware that he's lower than he wants to be. You have an FA. Did the plane land in a snowbank? Not according to the photos. Just a snowy field. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4991 Registered: 4-2010 |
You missed Rbruma's question... Was he flying in the dark? In the daytime? Weather conditions relevant? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3713 Registered: 5-2003 |
Shot in the dark: Was he in the middle of a maneuver for which a higher altitude was required, OTRT. I wouldn't call it a maneuver, but it is not deliberately done at low level. but he would have been just fine for a straight cruise? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3714 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was he flying in the dark? In the daytime? This, but irr. Weather conditions relevant? Mildly, assume clear and dry. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 4997 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was he planning to jump out of the plane? To practice stalling? Gliding? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3716 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was he planning to jump out of the plane? No. To practice stalling? No, but OTRT. Gliding? No. | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 365 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was he a test pilot? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3728 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was he a test pilot? No, irr. | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 368 Registered: 9-2009 |
Errare humanum est ... Perseverare is the tough point Can we (loosely) say that he is playing around with the aircraft and at some point he looses control of it? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3730 Registered: 5-2003 |
Can we (loosely) say that he is playing around with the aircraft and at some point he looses control of it? Yes. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5093 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was he practicing a stunt? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3744 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was he practicing a stunt? Something like that. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5095 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was he learning how to do something? Had he done the "stunt" before? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3746 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was he learning how to do something? Yes. Had he done the "stunt" before? Irr, but assume no if you like. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5100 Registered: 4-2010 |
Type of plane relevant? Is this a fighter? Bomber? Stealth plane? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3749 Registered: 5-2003 |
Type of plane relevant? Probably, but unknown for certain. Is this a fighter? This. Bomber? Stealth plane? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5106 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did what he was doing involve the guns? Shooting something? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3753 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did what he was doing involve the guns? Shooting something? Neither. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5147 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was he practicing evasive maneuvers? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3762 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was he practicing evasive maneuvers? This can be considered an evasive maneuver, but is more typically a sign of damage. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5156 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was he practicing crash landings? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3765 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was he practicing crash landings? No. | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 376 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was he flying upside down? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3773 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was he flying upside down? No. | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 2529 Registered: 1-2001 |
Was he trying to cause a sonic boom? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3778 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was he trying to cause a sonic boom? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5259 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was he practicing gliding? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3784 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was he practicing gliding? No. | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 2590 Registered: 1-2001 |
Was he flying low so he could ditch the bombs and they wouldn't do much damage, as opposed to dropping them from a greater height? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3788 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was he flying low so he could ditch the bombs and they wouldn't do much damage, as opposed to dropping them from a greater height? He wasn't carrying bombs, nor was he deliberately at low altitude. (It should be noted, btw, that altitude is relative; he was at 15,000 feet when he ejected.) | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5357 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is his speed relevant? Angle of flight? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3791 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is his speed relevant? No. Angle of flight? Yes. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5369 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was he practicing diving? Was he at a level angle? Nose up? Nose down? (I don't know the technical terms, but I hope you understand what I'm trying to say.) | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3795 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was he practicing diving? No. Was he at a level angle? Yes. Nose up? Nose down? Possibly slightly. (I don't know the technical terms, but I hope you understand what I'm trying to say.) | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 438 Registered: 9-2009 |
So, our hero was flying at 15 000 feet when he noticed something in his instruments and ejected. At that point he was flying at a level angle, possibly a bit nose down. Correct so far? Did he eject in order to: prevent something happening to him? To others (expecting to crash in a city and trying to avoid that?)? Did he want to avoid a danger or the ejection was just part of his training ('Go to 15 000 feet and eject') | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3799 Registered: 5-2003 |
So, our hero was flying I wouldn't say that. at 15 000 feet when he noticed something in his instruments Specifically, this was that he was at 15,000 feet and ejected. At that point he was flying at a level angle, possibly a bit nose down. Yes, but look out for FAs. Correct so far? Did he eject in order to: prevent something happening to him? Yes. To others (expecting to crash in a city and trying to avoid that?)? No. Did he want to avoid a danger Yes. or the ejection was just part of his training ('Go to 15 000 feet and eject') There was a rule that if he was in a particular situation at 15,000 feet he must eject. | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 440 Registered: 9-2009 |
Just another set of questions, to be sure that it isn't my bad English that is making this puzzle even harder: he was not actually flying (be airborne, moving through the air in a vehicle), but he piloted an aircraft at 15 000 feet? Was he by any chance 15 000 "beneath" something? 15 000 feet lateral distance from something? Does 15 000 feet refer to distance from MSL? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3801 Registered: 5-2003 |
Just another set of questions, to be sure that it isn't my bad English that is making this puzzle even harder: It's more an FA on your part and poor English on mine. he was not actually flying (be airborne, moving through the air in a vehicle) Yes, but under that definition you'd be flying if someone pushed your car out of a plane at 15,000 feet, but he piloted an aircraft at 15 000 feet? Not successfully. Was he by any chance 15 000 "beneath" something? 15 000 feet lateral distance from something? Does 15 000 feet refer to distance from MSL? Basically, he was 15,000 feet above sea level, which translates to (checks Wikipedia) roughly 12,000 feet over Montana. | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 441 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was the plane supposed to reach that altitude (I mean, technically speaking)? Is it relevant how old the plane was? Was he trying to accelerate to the maximum? To shut off the engine while airborne? To experiment some on-board event and the experiment went wrong? (like setting a fire)? Was he shot? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3802 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was the plane supposed to reach that altitude (I mean, technically speaking)? To get that high? Yes. To get that low in the middle of his flight? No. Is it relevant how old the plane was? No. Was he trying to accelerate to the maximum? No. To shut off the engine while airborne? No. To experiment some on-board event and the experiment went wrong? Yes. (like setting a fire)? No. Was he shot? No. | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 2646 Registered: 1-2001 |
Was he supposed to "power-down" the plane during flight? Try to shut the engines off and then restart them? Were the engines operating normally when he ejected? Were they operating as planned? Was the landing gear down when the plane landed? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3811 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was he supposed to "power-down" the plane during flight? No. Try to shut the engines off and then restart them? No. Were the engines operating normally when he ejected? Yes. Were they operating as planned? Yes. Was the landing gear down when the plane landed? No. | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 487 Registered: 9-2009 |
Since my aircraft-related expertise is next to zero, let's try the following approach: Was the experiment related to: engine operation? on-board instruments operation? guns aboard? safety measures? depressurization? At the moment when he ejected, did the pilot reasonably think that (although 15 000 feet is a high altitude) crash was imminent? Do we need some special knowledge about aircraft operation to solve this one? Was this the type of plane that could also land on water (I don't know the English name) and that was one of the reasons for its safe landing? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3814 Registered: 5-2003 |
Since my aircraft-related expertise is next to zero, let's try the following approach: Was the experiment related to: engine operation? No. on-board instruments operation? No. guns aboard? No. safety measures? No. depressurization? No. At the moment when he ejected, did the pilot reasonably think that (although 15 000 feet is a high altitude) crash was imminent? Yes. Do we need some special knowledge about aircraft operation to solve this one? No, although it might help to know a little about what happens when a plane goes out of control. Was this the type of plane that could also land on water (I don't know the English name) A floatplane is a land plane with floats, and a seaplane has a hull instead of a fuselage. and that was one of the reasons for its safe landing? No. The plane landed on land, in a farmer's field. | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 501 Registered: 9-2009 |
Darn, while trying to do some research on plane operation I inadvertently stumbled upon the story of the original event. As a result I will keep quiet for the remaining duration of this puzzle. I would have been of little help anyway. Nice one, thanks | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5570 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did the plane start to nosedive? To wobble? Could you please recap? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3825 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did the plane start to nosedive? To wobble? Neither of these. It's a fairly common, stunt that happens in a lot of airplane movies (though not to jumbo jets). Could you please recap? A jet fighter once went out of control over Montana, falling from 38,000 to 15,000 feet before the pilot conceded that the plane was lost and ejected. Naturally, he expected the plane to crash and be totally destroyed. Instead, to his surprise, rather than crashing, the plane landed wheels-up in a nearby field, sustaining only minor damage. This occurred during a training flight. The type of control loss is actually a common (though dangerous) aviation stunt commonly used in combat and in airshows). | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5628 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did the plane stall? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3827 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did the plane stall? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5634 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was he practicing a stunt? Did it involve inverting the plane? High speeeds? Low speeds? A sudden change in altitude? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3832 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was he practicing a stunt? Not the one he ended up in, but yes. Did it involve inverting the plane? High speeds? This, but look out for FAs. None of the others. Low speeds? A sudden change in altitude? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5641 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was he intending to reach a high speed? Or did the problem involve the plane accelerating to high speeds? Simply through its plummeting towards the ground? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3835 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was he intending to reach a high speed? No. Or did the problem involve the plane accelerating to high speeds? No. Simply through its plummeting towards the ground? No. The high speed is a byproduct of the real problem. As a hint, remember that he was ill -- and so would you be if this happened to you. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5653 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did the stunt involve a sudden acceleration? Deceleration? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3838 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did the stunt involve a sudden acceleration? Deceleration? Neither. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5673 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he cut the engines at any point? Did he use an odd type of fuel? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3845 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did he cut the engines at any point? No. Did he use an odd type of fuel? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5686 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the throttle relevant to the problem? The steering...yoke (is that the word for it)? The wings? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 2715 Registered: 1-2001 |
Was the plane's auto pilot activated at any time? Did the pilot's illness result from something that occurred while he was inside the plane? Did the pilot feel ill like this when he entered the plane? Some time after? All things being the same except the vehicle was a car instead of a plane - assuming the driver (pilot) could have bailed out of the car like an ejection from a plane, would this event have also likely taken place? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3851 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is the throttle relevant to the problem? The steering...yoke This, to an extent. No to the others. (is that the word for it)? The wings? Was the plane's auto pilot activated at any time? No. Did the pilot's illness result from something that occurred while he was inside the plane? Yes. Did the pilot feel ill like this when he entered the plane? No. Some time after? No. All things being the same except the vehicle was a car instead of a plane - assuming the driver (pilot) could have bailed out of the car like an ejection from a plane, would this event have also likely taken place? Hmm. Interesting question. Cars can indeed undergo this maneuver, but it's hardly unstoppable and would not necessarily be unsurvivable for the car or driver (though commonly it does end in a spectacular crash). I don't think they're comparable. It should be noted that the event was a fluke and probably will never be reproduced, so I suppose it's possible for a car to do it. Since cars tend to be in cramped confines such as streets, though, it would have even a lesser chance of ending well. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5731 Registered: 4-2010 |
Does he spin the plane? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3854 Registered: 5-2003 |
Does he spin the plane? Yes! | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 368 Registered: 9-2010 |
OK, so he spun the plane, and...got dizzy and sick from it? What's left to find out? Do you mind posting a recap, please? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3857 Registered: 5-2003 |
OK, so he spun the plane, and...got dizzy and sick from it? The latter was a hint to the former. What's left to find out? How, after he abandoned the plane, it came out of the spin and landed safely. Do you mind posting a recap, please? Gladly. A pilot in a jet fighter was trapped in a spin. He gave up trying to get out of the spin and ejected from the plane. To his surprise, instead of crashing, it landed safely without him. Explain. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5744 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was he using the controls to try and get out of the spin? When the fighter was, in fact, designed to fly on its own, and was able to right itself? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3860 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was he using the controls to try and get out of the spin? Yes, but it didn't work. When the fighter was, in fact, designed to fly on its own, and was able to right itself? Nope. There are a few planes you can't spin, but this wasn't one of them. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5747 Registered: 4-2010 |
If he hadn't ejected, but had still given up trying to control the plane, would it have gotten out of the spin? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3862 Registered: 5-2003 |
If he hadn't ejected, but had still given up trying to control the plane, would it have gotten out of the spin? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5751 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did the ejection allow the plane to get out of the spin? Did the ejection cause the plane to depressurize? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 3863 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did the ejection allow the plane to get out of the spin? Yes. Did the ejection cause the plane to depressurize? *********** Spoiler *********** This occurred to an F-106 Delta Dart fighter jet over Montana. The plane was trapped in a flat spin, which is normally unrecoverable. When the pilot ejected, however, the jolt knocked the plane back onto an even keel, and it glided to a crash-landing in a farm field. It sustained only minor damage, was repaired and flew again. The plane is now in the US Air Force museum. The full story, with photos: http://www.f-106deltadart.com/71fis_PilotlessLanding_580787.htm | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5760 Registered: 4-2010 |
Tres cool! Nice puzzle! |
