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Posted on Tuesday, September 14, 2010 - 10:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Normally, you would expect a plane without a pilot to crash, yet it didn't! Explain.
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Posted on Tuesday, September 14, 2010 - 10:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Normal plane? One that takes off and land in real life? relevant what type of plane it is?
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Normal plane? Yes. One that takes off and land in real life? Yes. relevant what type of plane it is? Yes.
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Is this a true story? Did the plane take off with a pilot? And then the pilot vanished? died? during flight?

Relevant what the plane carried? If so, people? goods?
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Was there ever a pilot? A co-pilot? Navigator?
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Is this a true story? Yes. Did the plane take off with a pilot? Yes. And then the pilot vanished? (In a sense.} died? No. during flight? Yes.

Relevant what the plane carried? No. If so, people? Just the pilot. goods? No.

Was there ever a pilot? Yes. A co-pilot? No. Navigator? No.
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Was the pilot still on the plane when it landed, just not able to pilot it? Relevant what happened to him?
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Was the pilot still on the plane when it landed, just not able to pilot it? No. Relevant what happened to him? Yes.
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Had the pilot left the plane? Jumped off? With a parachute? Had he passed out? Gotten ill? Did a passenger land the plane?
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Had the pilot left the plane? Yes. Jumped off? No. With a parachute? Yes. Had he passed out? No. Gotten ill? Wouldn't be surprised. Did a passenger land the plane? No.
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Had he fallen off? Was he thrown off? Carried off? Was he forced off? Did he leave on his own accord? Did the plane land with no one guiding it? Did it land at all? Was it on autopilot?
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Had he fallen off? Was he thrown off? Carried off? Was he forced off? No to all. Did he leave on his own accord? Yes. Did the plane land with no one guiding it? Yes. Did it land at all? Yes. Was it on autopilot? No.
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Was the plane powered? if so by a propeller? or jet engines? or was it a glider?
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Did the pilot eject? Did the plane land on: water? Field? Airfield? Other flat ground? Was it damaged? Did it land because it ran out of fuel? Did it glide until it hit the ground? Was it damaged? If so: before the pilot left? After he left, but before it hit the ground? During landing?
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Was the plane powered? if so by a propeller? or jet engines? This. or was it a glider?

Did the pilot eject? Yes. Did the plane land on: water? Field? This. Airfield? Other flat ground? Was it damaged? Slightly. Did it land because it ran out of fuel? No. Did it glide until it hit the ground? Yes. Was it damaged? Again, slightly. If so: before the pilot left? After he left, but before it hit the ground? During landing? This.
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Did the pilot eject because of an emergency? Because he was supposed to? Was it a test? An experiment? Did the pilot expect the plane to crash? Did he try to save it from crashing? Did he aim for a particular area? Relevant how long before landing he ejected?
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Did the pilot eject because of an emergency? Yes. Because he was supposed to? Yes. Was it a test? No. An experiment? No. Did the pilot expect the plane to crash? Yes. Did he try to save it from crashing? Until he gave up and ejected, yes. Did he aim for a particular area? No. Relevant how long before landing he ejected? No, anywhere from 5 to 30 minutes.
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Had the plane been damaged? By enemy fire? From airplanes? Anti-aircraft guns? Did he eject over his own territory? Over enemy territory? Did he make sure to eject at a specific time? Place? Was anyone else on board the plane?
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Had the plane been damaged? Before the landing, no. By enemy fire? From airplanes? Anti-aircraft guns? None of these. Did he eject over his own territory? Yes, but irrelevant. Over enemy territory? Did he make sure to eject at a specific time? No. Place? No. Was anyone else on board the plane? No.
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Was the pilot in danger? Was he having a medical problem?
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Was the pilot in danger? Yes. Was he having a medical problem? Yes, but irrelevant.
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Was there anything wrong with the plane when he ejected? Did it malfunction? Did it cause his medical problem? Did he eject because he would not be able to land the plane? Because he would die otherwise?
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Was there anything wrong with the plane when he ejected? Yes. Did it malfunction? Hard to answer. Yope. Did it cause his medical problem? One of them; ejection is the other, as it can do nasty things to your back. Did he eject because he would not be able to land the plane? Because he would die otherwise? Yes to both.
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Did the plane shut off? Depressurize?
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Did the plane shut off? Depressurize? Neither.
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Did the plane run out of fuel?
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Did he eject because he thought that the plane he was piloting would collide with another object?
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Did the plane run out of fuel? Yes (look out for FAs.

Did he eject because he thought that the plane he was piloting would collide with another object? For SVV of object, yes.
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Did the plane have a fuel leak? Did he know the plane was going to crash? Did he realize the plane was leaking?
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Did the plane have a fuel leak? No. Did he know the plane was going to crash? Yes. Did he realize the plane was leaking?
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Had the plane not been properly fueled up before takeoff? So there was not enough fuel in the tank to make it to his destination?
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Had the plane not been properly fueled up before takeoff? Incorrect. So there was not enough fuel in the tank to make it to his destination? More than enough.
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Did the plane dump its fuel?
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Did the plane dump its fuel? No.
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Did the pilot end up taking a different route than originally intended?
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Did the pilot end up taking a different route than originally intended? Well, he didn't originally intend to eject from his plane... seriously, where he was going is irrelevant.
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Did he cause the plane to run out of fuel? Did he fly for too long? Abuse the afterburner? Was it a training mission? A war mission? Was he lost?
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Did he cause the plane to run out of fuel? Did he fly for too long? Abuse the afterburner? Was it a training mission? This. A war mission? Was he lost? No to all the others.
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Are any other planes relevant to the scenario?
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Are any other planes relevant to the scenario? Only slightly. Don't worry about them.
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Did he bail out as a result of seeing something? Something in the air? Something on the ground? Was he instructed or commanded to eject?
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Did he bail out as a result of seeing something? No. Something in the air? Something on the ground? Was he instructed or commanded to eject? No.
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Were the instruments aboard malfunctioning, so he saw that he is out of fuel but that was only an error of the meter?
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Were the instruments aboard malfunctioning, No. so he saw that he is out of fuel but that was only an error of the meter? No.
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Did he bail because of something he heard? Smelled? Tasted? Felt? Touched? Were gas fumes entering the plane?
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I don't know if this has been already cleared, but I have to ask: is this a real life event or something done on a simulator / computer?
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Did he bail because of something he heard? Smelled? Tasted? Felt? Not specifically because of this, but how he was feeling is relevant. Touched? Were gas fumes entering the plane? No.

I guess you could say he jumped because of something he saw -- specifically, his instruments.


I don't know if this has been already cleared, but I have to ask: is this a real life event or something done on a simulator / computer? This actually occurred during a flight -- it was not simulated.
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Did he misinterpret one of the readings? Was everything reading fine?
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Did he misinterpret one of the readings? No. Was everything reading fine? In the sense that the instruments were working, yes. In the sense of what they actually were doing at the time, no.
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Was it one specific instrument that caused him to jump? The fuel gauge? Speedometer? Altimeter? Level flight indicator?
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Were the instruments 'sensing' a magnetic field? A powerfull electric discharge? From inside the aircraft? Outside it? Was the weather calm or was there a storm in progress or about to happen? Did the pilot conclude that, based on what he was reading, the plane was too close to the ground? that the ailerons, etc were unresponding? that fuel has been exhausted? that the plane was stalling?
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Was it one specific instrument that caused him to jump? The fuel gauge? Speedometer? Altimeter? Primarily this. Level flight indicator?

Were the instruments 'sensing' a magnetic field? A powerfull electric discharge? Neither. From inside the aircraft? Outside it? Was the weather calm This. or was there a storm in progress or about to happen? Did the pilot conclude that, based on what he was reading, the plane was too close to the ground? Yes. that the ailerons, etc were unresponding? Yes. that fuel has been exhausted? No. that the plane was stalling? No.
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If the instruments were not malfunctioning and they showed a dangerously low altitude, can we conclude that the plane _was_, in fact, at a very low altitude so the pilot decision was essentially correct? Or they (the instruments) were fine but something influenced them into showing wrong data?
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If the instruments were not malfunctioning and they showed a dangerously low altitude, can we conclude that the plane _was_, in fact, at a very low altitude so the pilot decision was essentially correct? Yes. Or they (the instruments) were fine but something influenced them into showing wrong data?
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So, he was right in deciding he must eject, correct? Left to determine: why the plane eventually landed safely? why he managed to get so abnormally low to the ground? (Did he fall asleep?) Anything else? If the latter, could you please post a short recap?
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So, he was right in deciding he must eject, correct? Yes. Left to determine: why the plane eventually landed safely? Yes. why he managed to get so abnormally low to the ground? Yes (though low is relative, so look out for an FA). (Did he fall asleep? No.) Anything else? No. If the latter, could you please post a short recap?
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Did he eject over land? Sea? Did the plane land on land at a high altitude? On a mountain?
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Did he eject over land? This. Sea? Did the plane land on land at a high altitude? On a mountain? Somewhere in the flat part of Montana.
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Did the plane land on flat ground? On a runway? Was the plane damaged in the landing?
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Did the plane land on flat ground? Yes. On a runway? No. Was the plane damaged in the landing? Yes.
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Did he pass above a high-standing object (maybe another flying object? or a bridge? some other man-made construction?) so the altimeter indicated abnormal low position and the pilot ejected? (I guess this would tentatively work only with a radar altimeter).

At the time of the event, was he engaged in the landing procedure? approach? the type of terrain the aircraft eventually landed on -- is it relevant? (grass? mud? asphalt? concrete?)
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Did he pass above a high-standing object (maybe another flying object? or a bridge? some other man-made construction?) so the altimeter indicated abnormal low position FA and the pilot ejected? No. (I guess this would tentatively work only with a radar altimeter).

At the time of the event, was he engaged in the landing procedure? No. approach? No. the type of terrain the aircraft eventually landed on -- is it relevant? Mildly. (grass? This, with snow. mud? asphalt? concrete?)
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Did the altimiter indicate an abnormally low altitude? Or just a low altitude? Did the pilot cut the engines before ejecting?
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Did the altimiter indicate an abnormally low altitude? Or just a low altitude? This. Did the pilot cut the engines before ejecting? No.
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Did he believe that the altimeter reading was correct? Or did he believe that it was a false reading?

Just a thought...if he's flying low over snow-covered ground, the glare from the ground or somewhat foggy conditions could make it seem that he's either much higher or lower than he expects to be...

Did the plane land in a snowbank?
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Shot in the dark: Was he in the middle of a maneuver for which a higher altitude was required, but he would have been just fine for a straight cruise?
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Did he believe that the altimeter reading was correct? Yes, and it was. Or did he believe that it was a false reading?

Just a thought...if he's flying low over snow-covered ground, the glare from the ground or somewhat foggy conditions could make it seem that he's either much higher or lower than he expects to be... No, he's quite aware that he's lower than he wants to be. You have an FA.

Did the plane land in a snowbank? Not according to the photos. Just a snowy field.
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You missed Rbruma's question...

Was he flying in the dark? In the daytime? Weather conditions relevant?
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Shot in the dark: Was he in the middle of a maneuver for which a higher altitude was required, OTRT. I wouldn't call it a maneuver, but it is not deliberately done at low level. but he would have been just fine for a straight cruise?
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Was he flying in the dark? In the daytime? This, but irr. Weather conditions relevant? Mildly, assume clear and dry.
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Was he planning to jump out of the plane? To practice stalling? Gliding?
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Was he planning to jump out of the plane? No. To practice stalling? No, but OTRT. Gliding? No.
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Was he a test pilot?
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Was he a test pilot? No, irr.
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Errare humanum est ... Perseverare is the tough point

Can we (loosely) say that he is playing around with the aircraft and at some point he looses control of it?
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Can we (loosely) say that he is playing around with the aircraft and at some point he looses control of it? Yes.
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Was he practicing a stunt?
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Was he practicing a stunt? Something like that.
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Was he learning how to do something? Had he done the "stunt" before?
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Was he learning how to do something? Yes. Had he done the "stunt" before? Irr, but assume no if you like.
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Type of plane relevant? Is this a fighter? Bomber? Stealth plane?
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Type of plane relevant? Probably, but unknown for certain. Is this a fighter? This. Bomber? Stealth plane?
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Did what he was doing involve the guns? Shooting something?
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Did what he was doing involve the guns? Shooting something? Neither.
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Was he practicing evasive maneuvers?
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Was he practicing evasive maneuvers? This can be considered an evasive maneuver, but is more typically a sign of damage.
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Was he practicing crash landings?
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Was he practicing crash landings? No.
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Was he flying upside down?
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Was he flying upside down? No.
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Was he trying to cause a sonic boom?
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Was he trying to cause a sonic boom? No.
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Was he practicing gliding?
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Was he practicing gliding? No.
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Was he flying low so he could ditch the bombs and they wouldn't do much damage, as opposed to dropping them from a greater height?
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Was he flying low so he could ditch the bombs and they wouldn't do much damage, as opposed to dropping them from a greater height? He wasn't carrying bombs, nor was he deliberately at low altitude.

(It should be noted, btw, that altitude is relative; he was at 15,000 feet when he ejected.)
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Is his speed relevant? Angle of flight?
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Is his speed relevant? No. Angle of flight? Yes.
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Was he practicing diving? Was he at a level angle? Nose up? Nose down? (I don't know the technical terms, but I hope you understand what I'm trying to say.)
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Was he practicing diving? No. Was he at a level angle? Yes. Nose up? Nose down? Possibly slightly. (I don't know the technical terms, but I hope you understand what I'm trying to say.)
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So, our hero was flying at 15 000 feet when he noticed something in his instruments and ejected. At that point he was flying at a level angle, possibly a bit nose down. Correct so far?

Did he eject in order to: prevent something happening to him? To others (expecting to crash in a city and trying to avoid that?)? Did he want to avoid a danger or the ejection was just part of his training ('Go to 15 000 feet and eject')
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So, our hero was flying I wouldn't say that. at 15 000 feet when he noticed something in his instruments Specifically, this was that he was at 15,000 feet and ejected. At that point he was flying at a level angle, possibly a bit nose down. Yes, but look out for FAs. Correct so far?

Did he eject in order to: prevent something happening to him? Yes. To others (expecting to crash in a city and trying to avoid that?)? No. Did he want to avoid a danger Yes. or the ejection was just part of his training ('Go to 15 000 feet and eject') There was a rule that if he was in a particular situation at 15,000 feet he must eject.
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Just another set of questions, to be sure that it isn't my bad English that is making this puzzle even harder: he was not actually flying (be airborne, moving through the air in a vehicle), but he piloted an aircraft at 15 000 feet? Was he by any chance 15 000 "beneath" something? 15 000 feet lateral distance from something? Does 15 000 feet refer to distance from MSL?
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Just another set of questions, to be sure that it isn't my bad English that is making this puzzle even harder: It's more an FA on your part and poor English on mine. he was not actually flying (be airborne, moving through the air in a vehicle) Yes, but under that definition you'd be flying if someone pushed your car out of a plane at 15,000 feet, but he piloted an aircraft at 15 000 feet? Not successfully. Was he by any chance 15 000 "beneath" something? 15 000 feet lateral distance from something? Does 15 000 feet refer to distance from MSL? Basically, he was 15,000 feet above sea level, which translates to (checks Wikipedia) roughly 12,000 feet over Montana.
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Was the plane supposed to reach that altitude (I mean, technically speaking)? Is it relevant how old the plane was? Was he trying to accelerate to the maximum? To shut off the engine while airborne? To experiment some on-board event and the experiment went wrong? (like setting a fire)? Was he shot?
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Was the plane supposed to reach that altitude (I mean, technically speaking)? To get that high? Yes. To get that low in the middle of his flight? No. Is it relevant how old the plane was? No. Was he trying to accelerate to the maximum? No. To shut off the engine while airborne? No. To experiment some on-board event and the experiment went wrong? Yes. (like setting a fire)? No. Was he shot? No.
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Was he supposed to "power-down" the plane during flight? Try to shut the engines off and then restart them? Were the engines operating normally when he ejected? Were they operating as planned?
Was the landing gear down when the plane landed?
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Was he supposed to "power-down" the plane during flight? No. Try to shut the engines off and then restart them? No. Were the engines operating normally when he ejected? Yes. Were they operating as planned? Yes.
Was the landing gear down when the plane landed? No.
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Since my aircraft-related expertise is next to zero, let's try the following approach:

Was the experiment related to: engine operation? on-board instruments operation? guns aboard? safety measures? depressurization? At the moment when he ejected, did the pilot reasonably think that (although 15 000 feet is a high altitude) crash was imminent? Do we need some special knowledge about aircraft operation to solve this one?

Was this the type of plane that could also land on water (I don't know the English name) and that was one of the reasons for its safe landing?
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Since my aircraft-related expertise is next to zero, let's try the following approach:

Was the experiment related to: engine operation? No. on-board instruments operation? No. guns aboard? No. safety measures? No. depressurization? No. At the moment when he ejected, did the pilot reasonably think that (although 15 000 feet is a high altitude) crash was imminent? Yes. Do we need some special knowledge about aircraft operation to solve this one? No, although it might help to know a little about what happens when a plane goes out of control.

Was this the type of plane that could also land on water (I don't know the English name) A floatplane is a land plane with floats, and a seaplane has a hull instead of a fuselage. and that was one of the reasons for its safe landing? No. The plane landed on land, in a farmer's field.
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Darn, while trying to do some research on plane operation I inadvertently stumbled upon the story of the original event. As a result I will keep quiet for the remaining duration of this puzzle. I would have been of little help anyway. Nice one, thanks
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Did the plane start to nosedive? To wobble?

Could you please recap?
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Did the plane start to nosedive? To wobble? Neither of these. It's a fairly common, stunt that happens in a lot of airplane movies (though not to jumbo jets).

Could you please recap?

A jet fighter once went out of control over Montana, falling from 38,000 to 15,000 feet before the pilot conceded that the plane was lost and ejected. Naturally, he expected the plane to crash and be totally destroyed. Instead, to his surprise, rather than crashing, the plane landed wheels-up in a nearby field, sustaining only minor damage.

This occurred during a training flight. The type of control loss is actually a common (though dangerous) aviation stunt commonly used in combat and in airshows).
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Did the plane stall?
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Did the plane stall? No.
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Was he practicing a stunt? Did it involve inverting the plane? High speeeds? Low speeds? A sudden change in altitude?
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Was he practicing a stunt? Not the one he ended up in, but yes. Did it involve inverting the plane? High speeds? This, but look out for FAs. None of the others. Low speeds? A sudden change in altitude?
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Was he intending to reach a high speed? Or did the problem involve the plane accelerating to high speeds? Simply through its plummeting towards the ground?
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Was he intending to reach a high speed? No. Or did the problem involve the plane accelerating to high speeds? No. Simply through its plummeting towards the ground? No.

The high speed is a byproduct of the real problem. As a hint, remember that he was ill -- and so would you be if this happened to you.
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Did the stunt involve a sudden acceleration? Deceleration?
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Did the stunt involve a sudden acceleration? Deceleration? Neither.
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Did he cut the engines at any point? Did he use an odd type of fuel?
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Did he cut the engines at any point? No. Did he use an odd type of fuel? No.
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Is the throttle relevant to the problem? The steering...yoke (is that the word for it)? The wings?
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Was the plane's auto pilot activated at any time?
Did the pilot's illness result from something that occurred while he was inside the plane? Did the pilot feel ill like this when he entered the plane? Some time after?

All things being the same except the vehicle was a car instead of a plane - assuming the driver (pilot) could have bailed out of the car like an ejection from a plane, would this event have also likely taken place?
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Is the throttle relevant to the problem? The steering...yoke This, to an extent. No to the others. (is that the word for it)? The wings?

Was the plane's auto pilot activated at any time? No.
Did the pilot's illness result from something that occurred while he was inside the plane? Yes. Did the pilot feel ill like this when he entered the plane? No. Some time after? No.

All things being the same except the vehicle was a car instead of a plane - assuming the driver (pilot) could have bailed out of the car like an ejection from a plane, would this event have also likely taken place?

Hmm. Interesting question. Cars can indeed undergo this maneuver, but it's hardly unstoppable and would not necessarily be unsurvivable for the car or driver (though commonly it does end in a spectacular crash). I don't think they're comparable. It should be noted that the event was a fluke and probably will never be reproduced, so I suppose it's possible for a car to do it. Since cars tend to be in cramped confines such as streets, though, it would have even a lesser chance of ending well.
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Does he spin the plane?
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Does he spin the plane? Yes!
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OK, so he spun the plane, and...got dizzy and sick from it? What's left to find out? Do you mind posting a recap, please?
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OK, so he spun the plane, and...got dizzy and sick from it? The latter was a hint to the former. What's left to find out? How, after he abandoned the plane, it came out of the spin and landed safely. Do you mind posting a recap, please? Gladly.

A pilot in a jet fighter was trapped in a spin. He gave up trying to get out of the spin and ejected from the plane. To his surprise, instead of crashing, it landed safely without him. Explain.
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Was he using the controls to try and get out of the spin? When the fighter was, in fact, designed to fly on its own, and was able to right itself?
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Was he using the controls to try and get out of the spin? Yes, but it didn't work. When the fighter was, in fact, designed to fly on its own, and was able to right itself? Nope. There are a few planes you can't spin, but this wasn't one of them.
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If he hadn't ejected, but had still given up trying to control the plane, would it have gotten out of the spin?
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If he hadn't ejected, but had still given up trying to control the plane, would it have gotten out of the spin? No.
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Did the ejection allow the plane to get out of the spin? Did the ejection cause the plane to depressurize?
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Did the ejection allow the plane to get out of the spin? Yes. Did the ejection cause the plane to depressurize?

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This occurred to an F-106 Delta Dart fighter jet over Montana. The plane was trapped in a flat spin, which is normally unrecoverable. When the pilot ejected, however, the jolt knocked the plane back onto an even keel, and it glided to a crash-landing in a farm field. It sustained only minor damage, was repaired and flew again. The plane is now in the US Air Force museum.

The full story, with photos: http://www.f-106deltadart.com/71fis_PilotlessLanding_580787.htm
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Tres cool! Nice puzzle!

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