| Author | Message | ||
| Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member Username: Whirligig Post Number: 309 Registered: 8-2010 |
Inspired by Balin's similar puzzle. How is the Bible 4.5% wrong? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 130 Registered: 9-2010 |
It is? :-( Translation errors? | ||
| Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member Username: Whirligig Post Number: 311 Registered: 8-2010 |
It is? :-( not really -- this is more of a joke, and you can easily show that it's not really wrong Translation errors? irrel AFAIK | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 131 Registered: 9-2010 |
Because 4.5% of a certain group think it is wrong? (I don't know, lol) | ||
| Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member Username: Whirligig Post Number: 314 Registered: 8-2010 |
Because 4.5% of a certain group think it is wrong? (I don't know, lol) no, OTWT entirely | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 133 Registered: 9-2010 |
All right, got to think on this more... | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5084 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the OT relevant? NT? Any particular book? Books? 4.5% of 66 books is almost exactly three, so are we looking for three books? | ||
| Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member Username: Whirligig Post Number: 315 Registered: 8-2010 |
Is the OT relevant? yes NT? no Any particular book? yes Books? no 4.5% of 66 books is almost exactly three, so are we looking for three books? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5085 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the book [LTPF list of Old Testament books]? | ||
| Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member Username: Whirligig Post Number: 317 Registered: 8-2010 |
Is the book [LTPF list of Old Testament books]? BLOOPER: Two books are relevant, 1 Kings and 2 Chronicles. | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 135 Registered: 9-2010 |
Genesis? Exodus? Leviticus? Numbers? Deuteronomy? Joshua? Judges? Ruth? 1 Samuel? 2 Samuel? 1 Kings? 2 Kings? 1 Chronicles? 2 Chronicles? Ezra? Nehemiah? Esther? Job? Psalms? Proverbs? Ecclesiastes? Song of Solomon? Isaiah? Jeremiah? Lamentations? Ezekiel? Daniel? Hosea? Joel? Amos? Obadiah? Jonah? Micah? Nahum? Habakkuk? Zephaniah? Haggai? Zechariah? Malachi? How's that for an LTPF Old Testament list? :-) | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 136 Registered: 9-2010 |
And because I went to all that time typing them out, I missed the answer. LOL! | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5088 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is King David relevant? King Solomon? Are any of the kings of Israel relevant? The kings of Judah? | ||
| Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member Username: Whirligig Post Number: 319 Registered: 8-2010 |
Is King David relevant? no King Solomon? yope Are any of the kings of Israel relevant? The kings of Judah? no other kings are relevant | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5089 Registered: 4-2010 |
I may know this one...are horses relevant? | ||
| Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member Username: Whirligig Post Number: 321 Registered: 8-2010 |
I may know this one...are horses relevant? no, but I'd be glad to know where you got this | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5097 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is Solomon's wisdom relevant? His riches? Number of wives? Concubines? Visit from Queen of Sheba relevant? My guess was because through a typographical error in early copying, 1 Kings and 2 Chronicles differ in the number of stalls for horses and chariots (4,000 vs 40,000 or something). | ||
| Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member Username: Whirligig Post Number: 323 Registered: 8-2010 |
Is Solomon's wisdom relevant? His riches? Number of wives? Concubines? Visit from Queen of Sheba relevant? none of the above, except possibly yopishly riches My guess was because through a typographical error in early copying, 1 Kings and 2 Chronicles differ in the number of stalls for horses and chariots (4,000 vs 40,000 or something). well, this "error" is present in the original text, I'm pretty sure | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5104 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the Temple relevant? | ||
| Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member Username: Whirligig Post Number: 325 Registered: 8-2010 |
Is the Temple relevant? yes, email for possible $poilers | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5107 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are the materials used to build the Temple relevant? The people who built it? | ||
| Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member Username: Whirligig Post Number: 326 Registered: 8-2010 |
Are the materials used to build the Temple relevant? yesish The people who built it? yesish | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5128 Registered: 4-2010 |
Amount of materials? Amount of people? | ||
| Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member Username: Whirligig Post Number: 327 Registered: 8-2010 |
Amount of materials? yesish Amount of people? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5135 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is one specific material relevant? The cedars of Lebanon? | ||
| Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member Username: Whirligig Post Number: 329 Registered: 8-2010 |
Is one specific material relevant? yesish The cedars of Lebanon? no | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 151 Registered: 9-2010 |
Gold? Silver? Fabric? | ||
| Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member Username: Whirligig Post Number: 330 Registered: 8-2010 |
Gold? Silver? Fabric? The exact word used is "metal," so I'm not sure which metal. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5152 Registered: 4-2010 |
Relevant how the metal was acquired? Amount of metal used? Proportion of metal used? | ||
| Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member Username: Whirligig Post Number: 331 Registered: 8-2010 |
Relevant how the metal was acquired? Amount of metal used? this Proportion of metal used? rephrase please | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5161 Registered: 4-2010 |
Percentage of metal (when compared to other materials)? Weight of the metal? Volume of the metal? Monetary value of the metal? | ||
| Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member Username: Whirligig Post Number: 332 Registered: 8-2010 |
Percentage of metal (when compared to other materials)? Weight of the metal? Volume of the metal? this is OTRT Monetary value of the metal? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5171 Registered: 4-2010 |
How much metal was used to build the temple? Precious metal? Do the two accounts differ on precise amounts? | ||
| Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member Username: Whirligig Post Number: 334 Registered: 8-2010 |
How much metal was used to build the temple? not exactly Precious metal? Do the two accounts differ on precise amounts? no, they have the same "error" | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5173 Registered: 4-2010 |
How many cartloads (or some other measurement like this) of metal? "Loads" of some sort? How many of a certain animal it took to pull all the metal? | ||
| Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member Username: Whirligig Post Number: 336 Registered: 8-2010 |
How many cartloads (or some other measurement like this) of metal? "Loads" of some sort? How many of a certain animal it took to pull all the metal? none of the above | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5251 Registered: 4-2010 |
D'oh...I know this one, if the answer to the following question is yes. (Two years ago, I actually wrote out, on an index card, how this is not really an error.) Is math relevant? | ||
| Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member Username: Whirligig Post Number: 338 Registered: 8-2010 |
D'oh...I know this one, if the answer to the following question is yes. (Two years ago, I actually wrote out, on an index card, how this is not really an error.) Is math relevant? yes—email to be sure, and I'll keep the puzzle open since I don't think this should be $poiled just yet | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5256 Registered: 4-2010 |
I agree with that last assessment - emailed. | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 194 Registered: 9-2010 |
Argh, I'm so confused :-( | ||
| Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member Username: Whirligig Post Number: 339 Registered: 8-2010 |
Balin's answer was correct, but I want to keep the puzzle open, so here's a RECAP: Both 1 Kings and 2 Chronicles contain the same so-called error of 4.5% involving the amount of metal used in building part of the Temple, measured in a way other than volume, weight, percentage, or monetary value, related to volume in some way. What is the "error"? | ||
| Mattiel (Mattiel)
New member Username: Mattiel Post Number: 445 Registered: 6-2005 |
Is it related to density? Is it measured by comparison with the volume of another material? | ||
| Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member Username: Whirligig Post Number: 343 Registered: 8-2010 |
Is it related to density? Is it measured by comparison with the volume of another material? no to both Gregory Koch (not sure who that is) has emailed me a correct $poiler as well. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5401 Registered: 4-2010 |
Gregory Koch = Gregoryuconn on the forum. | ||
| Mattiel (Mattiel)
New member Username: Mattiel Post Number: 459 Registered: 6-2005 |
Is the error caused by: poor scientific knowledge of the material? mathematical error done by the persons living at that time? mathematical error done by the book writer? Error due to the "translation" to modern languages? | ||
| Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member Username: Whirligig Post Number: 358 Registered: 8-2010 |
Is the error caused by: poor scientific knowledge of the material? mathematical error done by the persons living at that time? thisish mathematical error done by the book writer? Error due to the "translation" to modern languages? | ||
| Mattiel (Mattiel)
New member Username: Mattiel Post Number: 463 Registered: 6-2005 |
Does the error concern: a calculation? a measurement? Is there a physical quantity directly concerned by the error? Volume? Weight? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 17 Registered: 9-2010 |
Yes, that would be me. I emailed you the $poiler | ||
| Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member Username: Whirligig Post Number: 361 Registered: 8-2010 |
Does the error concern: a calculation? yes a measurement? yes Is there a physical quantity directly concerned by the error? yesish Volume? Weight? but not these | ||
| Mattiel (Mattiel)
New member Username: Mattiel Post Number: 465 Registered: 6-2005 |
Height? Length? Surface? Density? Stiffness? Melting temperature? Is the origin of metal relevant? Or its shape/form before being used to build the temple? Getting crazy at this, everybody seems to understand it except me :-) | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 374 Registered: 9-2010 |
I certainly have no idea, Mattiel, so you're not alone... | ||
| Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member Username: Whirligig Post Number: 366 Registered: 8-2010 |
Height? Length? THISISH Surface? Density? Stiffness? Melting temperature? Is the origin of metal relevant? Or its shape/form before being used to build the temple? no to rest | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 1096 Registered: 6-2008 |
I know this one too (I just did the calculation to verify that the error was in fact 4.5%), so I will stay out of this puzzle. | ||
| Mattiel (Mattiel)
New member Username: Mattiel Post Number: 485 Registered: 6-2005 |
Sorry for the long silence, been very busy lately... Is the length measured/calculated using a the shadow produced by the sun at a certain hour of the day? | ||
| Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member Username: Whirligig Post Number: 406 Registered: 8-2010 |
Is the length measured/calculated using a the shadow produced by the sun at a certain hour of the day? no, or at least not afaik, but irrel | ||
| Mattiel (Mattiel)
New member Username: Mattiel Post Number: 486 Registered: 6-2005 |
Is the shape of the measured/calculated quantity relevant? | ||
| Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member Username: Whirligig Post Number: 410 Registered: 8-2010 |
Is the shape of the measured/calculated quantity relevant? shape is definitely relevant -- otherwise, I'm not sure what you mean | ||
| Mattiel (Mattiel)
New member Username: Mattiel Post Number: 491 Registered: 6-2005 |
I mean if the "thing" whose lenght is measured/calculated is straight, or curved, etc? | ||
| Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member Username: Whirligig Post Number: 411 Registered: 8-2010 |
I mean if the "thing" whose lenght is measured/calculated is straight, or curved, etc? then yes, and curved | ||
| Mattiel (Mattiel)
New member Username: Mattiel Post Number: 506 Registered: 6-2005 |
A circle? An arch? A spiral? | ||
| Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member Username: Whirligig Post Number: 412 Registered: 8-2010 |
A circle? pretty much; you're close now An arch? A spiral? | ||
| Mattiel (Mattiel)
New member Username: Mattiel Post Number: 511 Registered: 6-2005 |
Does the error concern the circumference calculation/measurement? And the calculated/measured value is 4,5% wrong with respect to reality? Were the persons who made the calculation/measurement aware of the existence, or the exact value of pi? | ||
| Whirligig (Whirligig)
New member Username: Whirligig Post Number: 414 Registered: 8-2010 |
Does the error concern the circumference calculation/measurement? YES And the calculated/measured value is 4,5% wrong with respect to reality? YES Were the persons who made the calculation/measurement aware of the existence, or the exact value of pi? not sure, but you get the idea, so ... **********SPOILER********** "And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about." 1 Kings 7:23 (KJV) This implies that the value of pi is 30/10, or 3, which has an error of 4.5%. However, to the number of significant digits given, this value is correct. Also, it may have been correct at a more precise level as well, because calculating pi this way doesn't take the thickness of the sea into account. This website (courtesy of Balin) explains it pretty well: http://www.purplemath.com/modules/bibleval.htm Now how about my other puzzles? In case you're wondering why I haven't replied on Speed Adventures, I want to keep you in suspense ... (plus I'm lazy) Congrats to all who participated, especially Balin, Gregoryuconn, and Mattiel for finding the solution. |
