| Author | Message | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 389 Registered: 9-2009 |
A competition ensued in the stadium. Luckily, we can still enjoy it | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5215 Registered: 4-2010 |
Stadium: for sports? Is the specific competition what the stadium was intended for? Is the competition a sport? We: the participants? The audience? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 175 Registered: 9-2010 |
Is the puzzle title relevant? If so, a particular type of bread? Wheat? White? Rye? Brown bread? Bread with fruit in it? Nuts? Cinnamon? Frosted bread? (I love frosted raisin bread) Some other breadlike good? Cake? Muffins? Donuts? "Let them eat cake" relevant? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 390 Registered: 9-2009 |
Stadium: for sports? Yesish Is the specific competition what the stadium was intended for? Unsure. Could you please rephrase? Is the competition a sport? Yope We: the participants? The audience? Neither | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 391 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is the puzzle title relevant? Yes, but somewhat cryptic If so, a particular type of bread? Wheat? White? Rye? Brown bread? Bread with fruit in it? Nuts? Cinnamon? Frosted bread? (I love frosted raisin bread) Simply bread. I would like to taste the latter, but in this part of the world bread is ... simply ordinary bread Some other breadlike good? Cake? Muffins? Donuts? "Let them eat cake" relevant? No to all. Like I said, what I meant is just bread | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5230 Registered: 4-2010 |
We = LTPF members? Rephrasing: Was the purpose of the stadium to host competitions like the one that took place? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 178 Registered: 9-2010 |
(Well, even ordinary bread has to be made out of something...the kind of flour it has in it would determine if it is, say, wheat bread, white bread (bleached wheat flour), rye bread, etc.) Bread eating contest? (Grasping at straws here) | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 393 Registered: 9-2009 |
We = LTPF members? No Rephrasing: Was the purpose of the stadium to host competitions like the one that took place? No and a FA | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5234 Registered: 4-2010 |
Does the stadium normally host competitions? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 396 Registered: 9-2009 |
Does the stadium normally host competitions? Used to | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5243 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the stadium closed down? Is it no longer in use? "It" - the competition? The stadium? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 398 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is the stadium closed down? Yesish to yope Is it no longer in use? ditto "It" - the competition? Yes The stadium? No | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5247 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the competition a physical activity? Mental? Is it an individual activity? A team activity? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 399 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is the competition a physical activity? Yope Mental? Yope Is it an individual activity? Assume yes A team activity? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5254 Registered: 4-2010 |
Chess? Chessboxing? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 404 Registered: 9-2009 |
I've missed this somehow, yesterday. I apologize (Well, even ordinary bread has to be made out of something...the kind of flour it has in it would determine if it is, say, wheat bread, white bread (bleached wheat flour), rye bread, etc.) True, just not relevant Bread eating contest? (Grasping at straws here) No, and starting from the title is the hardest way to arrive at the solution | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 405 Registered: 9-2009 |
Chess? Chessboxing? Neither, but I learned a new word (the latter) | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5263 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the competition done between two people? A small group? Large group? A set number? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 413 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is the competition done between two people? This one. No to the rest A small group? Large group? A set number? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5266 Registered: 4-2010 |
Scrabble? Crosswords? Arm wrestling? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 415 Registered: 9-2009 |
Scrabble? Crosswords? Arm wrestling? None of those | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5269 Registered: 4-2010 |
Can the competition be considered a sport? Does it take place on a field? In a ring? At a table? When participating, are people standing up? Sitting down? Running around? Do they make contact with the other person? Hitting the other person? Kicking? Tackling? Is it a shin-kicking competition? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 416 Registered: 9-2009 |
Can the competition be considered a sport? No! Good question Does it take place on a field? In a ring? At a table? When participating, are people standing up? Sitting down? Running around? Do they make contact with the other person? Hitting the other person? Kicking? Tackling? Is it a shin-kicking competition? No or irrelevant to the rest. It was a one-time event, not something done regularly | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5272 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is it a debate? Political? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 418 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is it a debate? Nope, but might mislead Political? Definitely not this | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5284 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is it an argument of some sort? Does the competition usually have an audience? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 420 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is it an argument of some sort? Does the competition usually have an audience? No to all. The 'competition' is more metaphorical in nature | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5326 Registered: 4-2010 |
Hmmm...is the "competition" involving technology? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 431 Registered: 9-2009 |
Hmmm...is the "competition" involving technology? No. Some ground work is needed here | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5362 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the competition a game? A war? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 433 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is the competition a game? A war? No to both | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5382 Registered: 4-2010 |
Were the two competitors H? A? M? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 442 Registered: 9-2009 |
Were the two competitors H? A? M? Yes to all | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5391 Registered: 4-2010 |
Were any other people involved in the "competition"? Any animals? Plants? Other objects? Could this be considered a contest? A duel? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 444 Registered: 9-2009 |
Were any other people involved in the "competition"? Not in a relevant way Any animals? Plants? Other objects? Than what? But objects were certainly involved, for svv of 'objects' Could this be considered a contest? Yope A duel? Certainly not Good round of questions | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5399 Registered: 4-2010 |
Objects: physical, tangible objects? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 458 Registered: 9-2009 |
Objects: physical, tangible objects? Very much so | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5406 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are there different objects involved? Or more than one of the same object? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 461 Registered: 9-2009 |
Are there different objects involved? This Or more than one of the same object? So no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5409 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are the objects used in conjuction with each other? Is cooking relevant? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 464 Registered: 9-2009 |
Are the objects used in conjuction with each other? Yes, if I understand correctly Is cooking relevant? Not at all | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5415 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are the objects made of [LTPF list of materials]? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 466 Registered: 9-2009 |
Are the objects made of [LTPF list of materials]? Hard to answer... Think along marble, brick... Also, enquiring about the stadium might be of help | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5425 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are the objects part of the stadium? Is one of the objects the stadium itself? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 469 Registered: 9-2009 |
Are the objects part of the stadium? Noish to yope, getting closer here Is one of the objects the stadium itself? No | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5432 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are they statues? Columns? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 277 Registered: 9-2010 |
The Colosseum? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 470 Registered: 9-2009 |
Are they statues? One of the objects Columns? No The Colosseum? No. But if you're heading towards Piazza Venezia, pass through it and turn right, then the answer should be obvious | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5439 Registered: 4-2010 |
Having never been to Italy, I sadly have no idea how to get from there to there. But this is a location in Italy, correct? In Rome? Gladiators relevant? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 471 Registered: 9-2009 |
Having never been to Italy, I sadly have no idea how to get from there to there. No need to be there. It will be solved nevertheless But this is a location in Italy, correct? Yes In Rome? And indeed here Gladiators relevant? Not at all. They were out for a very long time | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5440 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the stadium in use in Ancient Rome? Circus Maximus? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 472 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was the stadium in use in Ancient Rome? Yes! To save you of the trouble, it was the stadium of Domitianus Circus Maximus? So not this one. Remaining to solve: the competition | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5442 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did the competition involve people dying? Something else dying? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 475 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did the competition involve people dying? Something else dying? No to both Short recap: A competition between two HAM took place in the stadium of Domitianus in Rome, Italy. It involved objects, one of which was a statue. No sports were involved and nobody lost his life. Luckily for us, we can still enjoy it. | ||
| Mattiel (Mattiel)
New member Username: Mattiel Post Number: 458 Registered: 6-2005 |
I don't feel like reading the whole thread till now, but... is the competition a trial? And the two competitors lawyers? Cicero relevant? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3223 Registered: 9-2009 |
Can we enjoy: the competition itself? The results of it? Did it produce a tangible result? Did one person win? If so, could we enjoy "it" if the other one had won? The "it" we can enjoy, is it the stadium itself? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 476 Registered: 9-2009 |
Can we enjoy: the competition itself? No The results of it? Yes Did it produce a tangible result? Yes Did one person win? No If so, could we enjoy "it" if the other one had won? N/AThe "it" we can enjoy, is it the stadium itself? No, but this is very much OTRT | ||
| Mattiel (Mattiel)
New member Username: Mattiel Post Number: 460 Registered: 6-2005 |
Hey, what about my questions? ;-) | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 477 Registered: 9-2009 |
Hey, what about my questions? ;-) Ooops, sorry, correcting now I don't feel like reading the whole thread till now, but... is the competition a trial? And the two competitors lawyers? Cicero relevant? No to all | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5452 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the building a temple? Was the statue of one of the Roman gods? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 478 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was the building a temple? Yesish Was the statue of one of the Roman gods? Yesish | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 283 Registered: 9-2010 |
A goddess?? Ceres, perhaps? (Greek = Demeter?) From whence the English word 'cereal' originates, as a synonym for grain in this case? Grain = flour = bread!! | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 479 Registered: 9-2009 |
A goddess?? Ceres, perhaps? (Greek = Demeter?) From whence the English word 'cereal' originates, as a synonym for grain in this case? Grain = flour = bread!! Nice thinking, but no, i'm afraid. It was a 'generic' god or a god-like creature, without a specific name. Even if it had a name, that is entirely irrelevant | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 293 Registered: 9-2010 |
Faun? Satyr? Centaur? Nymph? OTRT? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 480 Registered: 9-2009 |
Faun? Satyr? Centaur? Nymph? OTRT? Yes. It was a river god. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5474 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the competition intended to please the river god? Did it involve swimming? Did it involve an actual river? Some other body of water? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 482 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was the competition intended to please the river god? Did it involve swimming? Did it involve an actual river? Some other body of water? No to all. The fact that it was a river god is irrelevant. Could have been any god as far as the competition and this puzzle are concerned | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5487 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the competition an argument of some sort? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 483 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was the competition an argument of some sort? I don't understand exactly. If you mean a verbal argument, than no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5518 Registered: 4-2010 |
Could you please recap? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 485 Registered: 9-2009 |
Here's the recap: A one-time competition (or a contest, for svv of both) between two HAMs took place in the stadium of Domitianus in Rome, Italy. It involved objects, one of which was a statue -- representing a river god -- and the other a yesish temple. No sports were involved and nobody lost his life. Luckily for us, we can still enjoy it -- that is, the result of it. The stadium in itself was not specifically meant to host this competition and is relevant only insofar we want to pinpoint the actual events. The title should not be considered relevant anymore, because doing otherwise will get us stuck till even after the last trombone will be played, paraphrasing a puzzle hosted by woodworm that I enjoyed a lot. I should mention, for the sake of accuracy, that the story is apocryphal, but widely believed to be true. Not relevant for the puzzle, anyway. Also, as in all my puzzles, googling or otherwise using external references is entirely acceptable. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5537 Registered: 4-2010 |
But this was not an athletic competition, correct? Was it a race? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 489 Registered: 9-2009 |
But this was not an athletic competition, correct? Correct, no sport whatsoever was involved Was it a race? So definitely no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5545 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is academics involved? Science? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 493 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is academics involved? Science? No to both | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5553 Registered: 4-2010 |
Music? Literature? Poetry? Art? Painting? Acting? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 495 Registered: 9-2009 |
Music? Literature? Poetry? Art? This! No to the rest Painting? Acting? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5558 Registered: 4-2010 |
Art: drawing? Sculpting? Were the two people trying to copy the statue? Create a duplicate statue? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 497 Registered: 9-2009 |
Art: drawing? Sculpting? This one for the statue Were the two people trying to copy the statue? Create a duplicate statue? No to rest | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5562 Registered: 4-2010 |
The other one - carving? Mosaic? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 499 Registered: 9-2009 |
The other one - carving? Mosaic? No to both | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5573 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is it a form of visual art? Three-dimensional art? Scriptoral art? Calligraphy? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 505 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is it a form of visual art? Yes Three-dimensional art? Yes Scriptoral art? Calligraphy? No to rest | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5584 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the other person trying to make the same pose as the statue? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 509 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is the other person trying to make the same pose as the statue? No | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5620 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is he building something? Out of brick? Stone? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 325 Registered: 9-2010 |
Building something out of...bread? :-D (I had to ask) | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 510 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is he building something? According to the story it has been already built by the time of the competition Out of brick? Stone? Probably both. Irr. It's a yesish temple Building something out of...bread? :-D (I had to ask) Haha, no. Without knowing the specific event, bread has no relevance | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5626 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the thing built the stadium itself? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 514 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is the thing built the stadium itself? No | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5644 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the thing built a part of the stadium? Another statue? Of a god? Or goddess? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 515 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is the thing built a part of the stadium? Indeed it is! It's a church, now part of the former stadium. Short recap: We have a "competition" between a statue and a church, in a former Roman stadium. What prompted this 'competition' and what is the competition about? To clarify the end of the puzzle statement, it simply means that we can still see both the statue and the church Another statue? Of a god? Or goddess? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5681 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is this a competition similar to Elijah on Mount Carmel? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 520 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is this a competition similar to Elijah on Mount Carmel? Nothing of this kind. The actual building of the two structures was the 'competition' | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 5689 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the intent of the competition to see which was more majestic? More glorious? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 522 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was the intent of the competition to see which was more majestic? Probably this More glorious? ********* SPOILER ********* In one of the finest squares of Rome, Piazza Navona (the former stadium of Domitianus) one can still see the Fountain of the 4 Rivers, built by the famous Gian Lorenzo Bernini, standing in front of the church of St. Agnes, built by the equally famous rival of Bernini, Francesco Borromini. It is often said that Bernini sculpted the figure of the "Rio de la Plata" (one of the gods in his fountain) cowering as if he thought the facade designed by his rival Borromini could crumble atop him. This is an urban legend and a remembrance for the two great artists, but is of course false: the fountain was built before the church itself. The reference to bread in the title is simple. Enraged by the construction of the statue, riots ensued in Rome and people were posting messages like this one: "We do not want Obelisks and Fountains, It is bread that we want. Bread, Bread, Bread!" Thanks to all for playing |
