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Although I have experienced several credges during my lifetime, I have never actually measured one of them. I would say that a credge can only last, at most, 2 seconds (but this is a stretch). I'm sure I have seen another person experience a credge, but cannot recall when. It is very likely that anyone who is a teenager or older has experienced at least one credge, although some younger people may have also. It's not something that can be experienced while participating in a sport, and it cannot be experienced while walking through a shopping mall or having dinner. While it's not possible to experience a credge while traveling in a car or on an airplane, one could experience a credge while running errands, during a day at work, or simply during a usual day at home.

So...what is a credge
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Does one need to be standing up? Moving? Walking? We can't have a credge in a car, so is this: because of the motion of the vehicle? Because we're seated? Because we're enclosed?

Is it fair to say that a 16-y-o is more likely to experience a credge than a 5-y-o? Is this because of intellectual maturity? Learning? Physical stature? Sexual maturity? Knowledge of a particular thing? Can a North Korean have a credge? Can a salamander have a credge? Can a polecat have a credge in captivity? In the wild?

One can't have a credge while playing sports, so is this because one is too active? Might I have a credge when playing scrabble? If so, would it improve my performance? Is it an inspired piece of lateral thinking? Can we have an online credge?
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Does one need to be standing up? Well no, not necessary, although almost all credges take place while one is standing
Moving? Walking? No, almost completely unlikely
We can't have a credge in a car, so is this: because of the motion of the vehicle? No Because we're seated? No, but...
Because we're enclosed? Yes - it is not possible to experience a credge while enclosed in a car

Is it fair to say that a 16-y-o is more likely to experience a credge than a 5-y-o? Yes, certainly, and I would say that it's almost certain that no 5 year old has ever experienced a credge (but I could be wrong)
Is this because of intellectual maturity? This is part of it, yes
Learning? Of a certain kind, yes
Physical stature? This is a factor, yes
Sexual maturity? No, not involved at all
Knowledge of a particular thing? Yes
Can a North Korean have a credge? Sure!

Can a salamander have a credge? Can a polecat have a credge in captivity? In the wild?
Nope, it's impossible for animals to experience this

One can't have a credge while playing sports, so is this because one is too active? Yes, or really just active
Might I have a credge when playing scrabble? No, I'd say this is impossible
If so, would it improve my performance? No, wouldn't happen
Is it an inspired piece of lateral thinking? Well only you can decide...
Can we have an online credge? It is impossible to credge online...completely impossible
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Can a blind person have a credge? A deaf person? A US President who has just swallowed a fly?
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Can a blind person have a credge? Ah, a most excellent question! A blind person could have a near-credge experience, but sight is necessary to fully experience a credge (so to answer the question, no, a blind person cannot experience a true credge)
A deaf person? Absolutely, you can have a credge even if you can't hear
A US President who has just swallowed a fly? Ha ha, ha ha...only after he's done delivering a speech, or before he gives a speech, it's impossible to experience one during a speech
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Looking up relevant? At the clouds? The sky? Figuring out what shapes the clouds are making? Do you have to be silent to have a credge?
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Do you have to be totally stationary to have a credge? You say that you could have one while 'running' errands, but unlikely while walking or moving. Do you have to stop doing something in order to have a credge? Or could you have a credge while you are slumped in an armchair?
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Looking up relevant? At the clouds? The sky? Figuring out what shapes the clouds are making? None of this
Do you have to be silent to have a credge? No, and many people probably aren't

Do you have to be totally stationary to have a credge? No, but it's usually the case
You say that you could have one while 'running' errands, but unlikely while walking or moving. Right
Do you have to stop doing something in order to have a credge? No, oftentimes you'll experience a credge while doing something...in fact almost always
Or could you have a credge while you are slumped in an armchair? Not possible
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Must you be listening to something to have a credge? Looking at something? Listening to a personal music player?
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Is a credge a misperception of some sort (for example, believing one sees a particular thing, when in fact it is absent)?

Does a credge consist solely of sensory perception and thought, or does it involve an action taken by the person experiencing the credge?
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Must you be listening to something to have a credge? No
Looking at something? Yes, this is a must
Listening to a personal music player? No, but I'm sure there have been many people who have been doing this when they experience a credge

Is a credge a misperception of some sort (for example, believing one sees a particular thing, when in fact it is absent)? Oh no, a person who experiences a credge is completely and rightly aware of the situation

Does a credge consist solely of sensory perception and thought, or does it involve an action taken by the person experiencing the credge? It involves both of these things happening at the same time
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Must you be looking at a person? A building? Something electronic? A computer? A television? Or would anything do? Does a credge involve a mirage? A "blackout" (so to say)?
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Must you be looking at a person? A building? Something electronic? A computer? A television? Or would anything do? No, you must be looking at a specific object
Does a credge involve a mirage? A "blackout" (so to say)? No
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Object: A living thing? A wooden object? Metal? Some form of writing? Of art?
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Object: A living thing? No A wooden object? No Metal? Yes Some form of writing? No Of art? No
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Is a credge some kind of disturbance or oddity of the thought process? Is it a reflex? A misapplied reflex? Can the metal object be called a device? An instrument? A tool? Is it bigger than a car? Do you look directly at it? Or through it? Does it have any relevant writing or symbols? Moving parts? Could one credge 500 years ago? 5000?
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Is it when you look at a metal ceiling fan, squint a little, and begin to see it rotating in the opposite direction?
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You said a spesific object, but how spesific I wonder. Is the object a general thing of whatever sort you look at when you credge? Or is it very spesific? (thinking like fruit in general compared to a spesific type of fruit)

Can you credge all over the world?
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Is a credge some kind of disturbance or oddity of the thought process? No
Is it a reflex? Yes, of a sort
A misapplied reflex? No
Can the metal object be called a device? Not the best word for it
An instrument? This works
A tool? No
Is it bigger than a car? No
Do you look directly at it? Sure, whenever you want to
Or through it? Not possible
Does it have any relevant writing or symbols? It can, and sometimes does
Moving parts? No
Could one credge 500 years ago? 5000? No to both
Is it when you look at a metal ceiling fan, squint a little, and begin to see it rotating in the opposite direction? Ah, so you've done this too, huh? No, this isn't a credge.

You said a spesific object, but how spesific I wonder. Is the object a general thing of whatever sort you look at when you credge? It's the kind of thing you probably see everywhere all the time, but there's a specific time when it's a credge
Or is it very spesific? (thinking like fruit in general compared to a spesific type of fruit)
Not a specific object, no...
Can you credge all over the world? Yes, at any time in any city, state, country, etc
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Is the metal object smaller than a bread box? Smaller than your hand?
Does one usually find this object indoors or outside?
Is it the writing or symbols on the metal object that lead one to credge?
Does "credging" usually lead to another action? or thought process?
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Is the metal object smaller than a bread box? Smaller than your hand? Smaller than both, actually
Does one usually find this object indoors or outside? Could be either
Is it the writing or symbols on the metal object that lead one to credge? No
Does "credging" usually lead to another action? or thought process? Yes, in all cases it does
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Is the "reflex" involved in credging blinking?
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Is the "reflex" involved in credging blinking? No
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Do you usually: carry the object with you? Carry more than one? Is it a part of clothing? Is it currency? Is it valuable? Is credging unpleasant? Fun? Surprising?
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Do you usually: carry the object with you? Yes
Carry more than one? Yes
Is it a part of clothing? Is it currency? It's neither
Is it valuable? In a sense it is extremely valuable, although it is not worth very much money at all
Is credging unpleasant? Yes...very much so!
Fun? No Surprising? Indeed it is!
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Is the reflex because of fright? Is the object money? Coins?
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Cell phones relevant? Ringing unexpectedly? In the bottom of your purse or in your pocket?
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Is the reflex because of fright? Yes, but not completely - I'd say fright makes up a large percentage of any reflex that results from a credge
Is the object money? Coins? Neither of these
Cell phones relevant? Ringing unexpectedly? In the bottom of your purse or in your pocket? None of this is relevant
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Is it a watch? A key?
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Ooh, I bet it's a key, Balin! Losing your keys relevant, or the fear of doing so? House keys? Car keys? Any other kind of keys?
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Is it a key?
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Sorry Kayleetonks, another cross-post
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(Re-reading the puzzle statement, I'm going for misplacing car keys.)
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We are about to make good progress...

Is it a watch? No, it's a key.

Losing your keys relevant, or the fear of doing so? No, neither of these but it's related
House keys? Car keys? Any other kind of keys? Maybe, but one will most often experience a credge with either house keys or car keys
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Having a sudden feeling that one has forgotten one's keys?
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(Re-reading the puzzle statement, I'm going for misplacing car keys.)

Well a credge does not occur simply because car keys or house keys are misplaced, there's actually an element of quite the opposite involved when a credge occurs. Now that we know that a key(s) is/are involved, but not misplacing or losing them, another reading of the puzzle statement should quickly bring us to a definition.
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Having a sudden feeling Yes, a credge is indeed a sudden feeling - one that is mostly fear but has other elements involved, and that lasts for at most about 2 seconds... that one has forgotten one's keys? ...and it does involve this, but in one particular fashion.
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Having a sudden feeling that one has forgotten to lock the car or house doors?
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Having a sudden feeling that one has forgotten to lock the car or house doors? Not this, and in fact somewhat of the opposite

Reminder - in almost all cases of credges, the person who experiences the credge is almost entirely stationary (standing still)
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Realizing that one has just been locked out of the house or car, forgetting the key inside after just closing the door?
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Realizing that one has just been locked out of the house or car, forgetting the key inside after just closing the door? Perfect!

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Credge (n) - Brief but intense feeling of panic and distress that occurs when, as a door to a house or car is closing, you spy the key(s) needed to re-open that same door inside the very house or car that is going to be locked before you can react and make the save. This feeling is often followed shortly by speculation and despair ("What will I do now? I am very sad.")


Nice job to all, excellent questions!
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Considering I just gave up on Wormwood's puzzle, solving this one makes me extremely happy, lol. Hurrah! :D But thanks to Balin for pointing me there or I'd never have got it.
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Woodworm, I mean. *facepalm* Slip of the fingers. Mea culpa.
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I actually don't think I have ever experienced a credge. But I certainly have spent a lot of time looking for lost keys over the course of my life thus far.
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A slightly more alarming credge is standing the wrong side of a hotel door, with the keys inside,as it shuts, wearing only a towel. Cue embarassing trip to a usually packed reception.
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Any credge is alarming and sometimes embarassing (especially if you're only wearing a towel). I once heard a comedian talk about this, and said that people who do this sometimes look around, like they expect to see a referee who will unlock the door for them since they did realize that they left the keys inside shortly before the door closed.

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