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Private Eye stole my joke. I was not best pleased.

For puzzlers outside the UK: Private Eye is a silly satirical magazine run by a bunch of overgrown schoolboys. Some say it's the only half-decent publication in the country.
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Joke - was it a one-liner? A joke that might be told by a comedian? A knock-knock joke? Dumb blonde joke? Yo' mama joke? Something that you made a lateral puzzle out of?
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Joke - was it a one-liner? yes, pretty much

A joke that might be told by a comedian? sure: a bad comedian, maybe ... after all, this was me

A knock-knock joke? no Dumb blonde joke? no

Yo' mama joke? no Something that you made a lateral puzzle out of? well, it seems I just did. This may turn out to be an even worse idea than the joke itself, but we shall see ...
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Was the joke a pun? Does the joke require any specialized knowledge of the UK? Anything about the magazine relevant?
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Was the joke a pun? hmmm ... yes, sort of, I suppose Does the joke require any specialized knowledge of the UK? not at all Anything about the magazine relevant? not this either
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Does the joke involve any sort of wordplay? Anagrams? Homophones? Homonyms?
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Does the joke involve any sort of wordplay? yes, but nothing technical Anagrams? no Homophones? no Homonyms? this is closest ... Wikipedia tells me that 'polysemes' is a better word. Good old Wikipedia. :-)
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So words with multiple meanings, correct? Can the word be used as a noun? Verb? Adverb? Adjective? Pronoun? Conjunction? Interjection? Preposition? Article? Is the word in the joke literally used as a [LTPF list of parts of speech]? Is the word, in the "pun," used as a [LTPF list of parts of speech]?
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Is it correct to assume that in order to solve your puzzle, the following must be determined:

1. How they stole your joke?
2. Why were you not best pleased?
3. What was the joke?

Assuming so:

Did they steal it in the sense that they used a joke you knew? Were you not pleased because they used it incorrectly? Or not in a funny manner?
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So words with multiple meanings, correct? Can the word be used as a noun? Verb? Adverb? Adjective? Pronoun? Conjunction? Interjection? Preposition? Article? Is the word in the joke literally used as a [LTPF list of parts of speech]? Is the word, in the "pun," used as a [LTPF list of parts of speech]? the joke rests on one noun with two slightly different meanings, but this might not be the easiest way in to the puzzle

Is it correct to assume that in order to solve your puzzle, the following must be determined:

1. How they stole your joke?
2. Why were you not best pleased?
3. What was the joke?

To be honest, just finding out the joke itself will do fine. It was a schoolboyish joke I made in a particular context, and it so happened that the magazine ran this joke in its next issue.

Assuming so:

Did they steal it in the sense that they used a joke you knew? Were you not pleased because they used it incorrectly? Or not in a funny manner? No: just a bit peeved that the magazine got credit for it when I'd thought of it first.
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Schoolboyish...is this puzzle rated G? Was the joke in response to a relevant statement?
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Posted on Sunday, October 03, 2010 - 7:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Schoolboyish...is this puzzle rated G? hmmm ... almost. Maybe a hint of PG, but really the sort of joke a twelve-year-old might make

Was the joke in response to a relevant statement? yes, for svv of 'statement'
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Is the title relevant? Was your joke about death? Or are you referring to how both jokes bombed at about the same time?
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Is the title relevant? yes, very Was your joke about death? not specifically about death, but ... Or are you referring to how both jokes bombed at about the same time? hahah, nice thinking, and rather funnier than the original joke
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Was the joke about murder? Sickness? The afterlife? Life? Zombies? Graveyards?
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Was the joke about murder? no Sickness? no The afterlife? no Life? not really, except in that most jokes are about life in some way or other Zombies? no ... nothing macabre like this Graveyards? no ... not what you'd call a particularly 'sick' joke, except perhaps on account of the timing

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Did the joke involve death? Familial relations? Mothers-in-law? Chuck Norris? Lawyers? Dumb blondes?
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Did the joke involve death? no, not at all, it just happens that ...

Familial relations? no Mothers-in-law? no Chuck Norris? no Lawyers? no Dumb blondes? no
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Does someone die in the joke? Does the person telling the joke die? Does the one to whom the joke is being told die?
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Does someone die in the joke? No, but finding out about the deaths is what prompts the joke. The joke isn't about death at all.

Does the person telling the joke die? well, I'm still here Does the one to whom the joke is being told die? er, I hope not ... unlike the one in the Monty Python sketch, this is not the funniest joke in the world :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gpjk_MaCGM

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Is the joke about a famous person? Who recently died?
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Is the joke about a famous person? yes! actually more than one Who recently died? at the time I made the joke, yes
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Did you make the joke in the 2000s? This past year?
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Did you make the joke in the 2000s? This past year? neither: it's a venerable joke of 1993 vintage. I recalled it when reading Rbruma's puzzle about people who died on the same day as JFK.
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Did these two people die on the same day? In 1993?
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Did these two people die on the same day? In 1993? exactly so
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On the same day: the...1-31 of:
January?
February?
March?
April?
May?
June?
July?
August?
September?
October?
November?
December?
Balin (Balin)
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On a punt: Is one of them Andre the Giant?
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[LTPF list of dates] ... aw, I'm not just going to give you the exact date just like that. I was rather hoping you'd have ... er ... an epiphany? ;-)

On a punt: Is one of them Andre the Giant? no! nor yet Richard Mortensen, the Danish painter :-)
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Well, I was only eight in 1993 and don't really know who died then...epiphanies of a third grader's mind don't seem to mean much...the only sense I had of a larger world than my hometown was that Bill Clinton was President.
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Seeing as Rbruma's puzzle experiment involved Nov 22, did these two people die on Nov 22? Are they HAM? HAF?
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Well, I was only eight in 1993 and don't really know who died then...epiphanies of a third grader's mind don't seem to mean much...the only sense I had of a larger world than my hometown was that Bill Clinton was President See below ...

Seeing as Rbruma's puzzle experiment involved Nov 22, did these two people die on Nov 22? no, but they did die on 6 January Are they HAM? both this HAF?
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Wikipedia gives Dizzy Gillespie, Richard Mortensen, and Rudolf Nureyev - since you eliminated Mortensen, the other two, then? Relevant that one was a jazz musician; the other, a dancer?
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Wikipedia gives Dizzy Gillespie, Richard Mortensen, and Rudolf Nureyev - since you eliminated Mortensen, the other two, then? Relevant that one was a jazz musician; the other, a dancer? YES!

So, what joke might an overgrown schoolboy like me (or the editor of Private Eye) make about Rudolf and Dizzy?
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Something about Rudolf dancing to the jazz music and him becoming Dizzy?
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Something about Rudolf dancing to the jazz music and him becoming Dizzy? hehe, no
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Wild guess: That Rudolf would rather be dancing to Dizzy's jazz music than the harps of heaven? The other way round?
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Wild guess: That Rudolf would rather be dancing to Dizzy's jazz music than the harps of heaven? The other way round? I'm sure he would, and so would I, but this isn't it
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Does the joke mention Rudolf dancing? Dizzy playing?
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Does the joke mention Rudolf dancing? Dizzy playing? Neither, as such. But the latter is relevant ...
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Does the joke involve a pun on either of their names?
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Does the joke involve a pun on either of their names? no
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Is anything other than their professions related to the joke? Perhaps their home countries?
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Is anything other than their professions related to the joke? yes .. other attributes their home countries? but not this at all
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Got to be a pun on Dizzy's legendary inflating cheeks. Did you say something like "Dizzy had some cheek to die on the same day as Nureyev"?
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Got to be a pun on Dizzy's legendary inflating cheeks. yes ... Did you say something like "Dizzy had some cheek to die on the same day as Nureyev"? ... but rather a reference to Rudolf's legendary tight-fitting ballet pants:

*** SPOILER ***

Private Eye employs a spoof 'poet' called E.J.Thribb, who has been seventeen (and a half) for the last forty years. He tends to be wheeled out every time someone famous dies.

On this occasion his contribution was:

So farewell then
Dizzy Gillespie.
You were known for
Your bulging cheeks.
And farewell Rudolf
Nureyev.
So were
You.


Terrible, I know, but Rbruma's puzzle about people dying on the same day as JFK reminded me, and I couldn't resist. Thanks everyone.
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Ha Ha I like it .
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Hee hee...would never have come up with that, but that's great.
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I know you weren't pleased they pinched your joke but I think you should turn the other cheek!!

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