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Rbruma (Rbruma)
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Many years ago I had a scrund related to the game of cricket

Surely a quick one. However I heard the news today that last month the first Romanian national tournament took place, after the establishment in 2006 (by two expats living here - 2 Brits and an Australian) of the first local cricket team. I thought to celebrate this (hopefully) historic moment with a puzzle
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Cool, Rbruma! Being American I don't play myself, but any historic moments are fun =D

Did you think cricket involved the cricket bugs?
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Did you think cricket involved the cricket bugs? No
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Is any particular position relevant? Could someone with little to no knowledge of the game have the scrund? Figure out the scrund? Is the equipment relevant? Did you think the "stumps" were actually tree stumps?
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Is any particular position relevant? No Could someone with little to no knowledge of the game have the scrund? Yes, exactly like I was at the time Figure out the scrund? Possibly Is the equipment relevant? Noish Did you think the "stumps" were actually tree stumps? No
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Is a specific team relevant? Specific player? Is any other sport relevant to the scrund? Perhaps baseball?
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Is a specific team relevant? Specific player? Is any other sport relevant to the scrund? Perhaps baseball? No to all
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Is the scrund related to the name of the sport?
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Is the scrund related to the name of the sport? No
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Is there anything relevant in the way they dress? Terminology used in the game?
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Is there anything relevant in the way they dress? Terminology used in the game? No to both
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Did you think that the batsmen and bowlers were on the same side?
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Did you think that the batsmen and bowlers were on the same side? No
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Anything to do with ways a batsman can get out?
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Anything to do with ways a batsman can get out? No, much more basic than that
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I sent you an email...
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I sent you an email... I replied. I think you have the key
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Did you think a draw meant a tie?
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Did you think a draw meant a tie? No, not that
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The term "innings" relevant? Did you think it was plural when it is in fact singular?
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The term "innings" relevant? No Did you think it was plural when it is in fact singular? No, I learned this thing two days ago
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Is a specific cricket term relevant?
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Is a specific cricket term relevant? No
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Does your scrund relate to the rules of the game? The role of the Umpires? The time taken to play a match? How a match is actually won? Could the scrund apply to One Day Cricket as well as Test Cricket?

Is it the common scrund about the length of the pitch? A cricket pitch is actually 22 yards long but TV cameras tend to make them look considerably shorter.
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Does your scrund relate to the rules of the game?Yes! and... The role of the Umpires? The time taken to play a match? How a match is actually won? ...exactly this! Could the scrund apply to One Day Cricket as well as Test Cricket? Both will do

Is it the common scrund about the length of the pitch? No A cricket pitch is actually 22 yards long but TV cameras tend to make them look considerably shorter.
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Did you think it was the team who took the most wickets wins as opposed to the team who scored the most runs? E.g. If team A scores 250 for the loss of 8 wickets and the Team B scores 251 for the loss of 9 did you think Team A would win in that situation.


Or did you think the winner was the first team to score x number of runs?
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Did you think it was the team who took the most wickets wins as opposed to the team who scored the most runs? E.g. If team A scores 250 for the loss of 8 wickets and the Team B scores 251 for the loss of 9 did you think Team A would win in that situation.
Or did you think the winner was the first team to score x number of runs?

None of these. My knowledge of the game was nowhere so advanced
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Short RECAP:
Many years ago I had a scrund related to the game of cricket. It refers to the rules of the game, more specifically the ways of winning the game. Any form of cricket can be used, but not other sports -- baseball included.
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I have no idea how one actually wins in cricket, so this may be tough, but...

Did your scrund involve runs? Did you think the game was timed?
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I have no idea how one actually wins in cricket, so this may be tough, but... I think is even tougher for those who actually know...

Did your scrund involve runs? Did you think the game was timed? No to both
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Did you think the game had a set length, like baseball and bowling?
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Anything to do with the Duckworth/Lewis method?
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Did you think the game had a set length, like baseball and bowling? No

Anything to do with the Duckworth/Lewis method? No, much more simple than a statistical method for predicting outcomes. I was around ten to twelve years old at the time
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Did you think the team with the most runs wins, when in fact it's something else? Runs vs. points relevant?
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Did you think the team with the most runs wins, when in fact it's something else? Runs vs. points relevant? No. I think however that the team with the most runs wins, but maybe I'm mistaking. To advance a hint, the method of scoring was what troubled me
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That a person can score multiple runs at a time?
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That a person can score multiple runs at a time? No, I didn't know what a run is. My scrund was mostly visual. I had no idea of the rules
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Was your scrund about why there was somebody running back and forth between the stumps?
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Did you think that the scoreboard was communicating some information other than the number of runs and wickets?
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Was your scrund about why there was somebody running back and forth between the stumps? Did you think that the scoreboard was communicating some information other than the number of runs and wickets? No to all
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Oh, perhaps it was the umpires' signals?
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Oh, perhaps it was the umpires' signals?
No... the only relevant persons were the bowler and the batsman. I wasn't aware of fielders, umpires, etc.
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Was your scrund about the way the bowler bowled? The way the batsman batted?
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Was your scrund about the way the bowler bowled? The way the batsman batted? None of those
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Did you think there were only those two people playing?
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Did you think the batsman scored for every ball he survived? every ball he hit irrespective of whether he ran between the wickets? Did you think only balls struck to the boundary counted?
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Did you think there were only those two people playing? I might have thought so, yes, but that wasn't the main scrund. Suffices to say that the others were not important in my mind Did you think the batsman scored for every ball he survived? No and FA every ball he hit irrespective of whether he ran between the wickets? No and FA Did you think only balls struck to the boundary counted? No
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Did you even know what the batsman was doing? That he even was the batsman?
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Did you even know what the batsman was doing? Yope That he even was the batsman? I didn't knew his name, but that isn't relevant
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Did you witness the bowler bowling? The batsman batting? Did you misinterpret what the bowler was doing? What the batsman was doing?
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Did you misunderstand the non strikers role? Did you think the Batsman wanted the ball to hit his stumps? when the batsman played a shot did you think he was trying to hit the stumps at the other end?
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Did you witness the bowler bowling? Yes The batsman batting? Yes Did you misinterpret what the bowler was doing? Yope What the batsman was doing? Yope

Did you misunderstand the non strikers role? No Did you think the Batsman wanted the ball to hit his stumps? Not this, but getting closer when the batsman played a shot did you think he was trying to hit the stumps at the other end? No
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Did you think the batsman was trying to hit it back to the bowler?
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Did you think the batsman was trying to hit it back to the bowler? No
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Did you think the batsman was trying to hit the ball as hard as possible? In a certain direction?
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Did you think the batsman was trying to hit the ball as hard as possible? In a certain direction? No to both. But is OTRT that I misunderstood their actions and more precisely the way of scoring points
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Did you think the points were given by how far the ball was hit?
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Did you think the points were given by how far the ball was hit? No
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Did you think the bowler was scoring points, not the batsman?
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Did you think the bowler was scoring points, not the batsman? YES! Now we are really close... Just realizing how I thought the scoring goes, and we arrive at the $poiler point.
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Did you think the bowler got points whenever the batsman missed the ball? Whenever the bowler hit the stumps?
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Did you think the bowler got points whenever the batsman missed the ball? No Whenever the bowler hit the stumps? Not this, but close enough for the


******* SPOILER *******

As a kid, seing very rarely and only small fragments of cricket games, I was under the impression that only the bowler and the batsman were actually playing and that everything was a sort of a penalty shoot-out, the batsman playing the role of a goal-keeper (as in handball or football). A goal would be scored if the ball passed _between_ the stumps. Of course, I wondered why I never manage to see a 'goal' ... but solved it quickly: I must have had by accident caught a match with a great goalkeeper or an incompetent kicker.

Thanks to all for playing and especially Matt for sticking with it and providing the final pieces.
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Good puzzle! You pushed my cricket knowledge to the limit there (and sadly, I'm not kidding....}

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