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Posted on Thursday, November 25, 2010 - 1:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A UN commander in Bosnia was under orders only to fire on troops who were confirmed as actively firing on his own troops. Faced with a Serb tank spotting for artillery that was targeted on his position, his orders did not permit him to fire an anti-tank weapon to destroy the tank because, while it was spotting for artillery, it was not itself shooting at him. What lateral solution did he find to deal with this problem without violating the letter of his orders?
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As a result of his lateral solution, did he in fact destroy the enemy tank? Did he make it retreat? Surrender?
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Did he fire a weapon? An anti-tank weapon? Did someone else fire a weapon? An anti-tank weapon?
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Does, according to how he read the orders: "be confirmed as doing X" necessarily imply "doing X"? "his own troops" mean the UN troops and no other troops? "only" limit the set of troops he is allowed to fire on? Is any non-obvious reading of the letter of his orders relevant at all?

Did he do something to make the tank open fire? If so: successfully?

Did he fire on the tank at all?
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As a result of his lateral solution, did he in fact destroy the enemy tank? This. Did he make it retreat? Surrender?

Did he fire a weapon? Yope. An anti-tank weapon? No. Did someone else fire a weapon? An anti-tank weapon? None of these.

Does, according to how he read the orders: "be confirmed as doing X" necessarily imply "doing X"? Yes. "his own troops" mean the UN troops and no other troops? Yes. "only" limit the set of troops he is allowed to fire on? Yes. Is any non-obvious reading of the letter of his orders relevant at all? Yes.

Did he do something to make the tank open fire? No. If so: successfully?

Did he fire on the tank at all? Yope.
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Did he use a weapon, such as a land mine, whose operation was not directly controlled by him, but rather was triggered "passively" by the movement of the tank?
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Did he destroy/damage something else than the tank?

Did he use something which isn't technically a weapon but can be used to destroy something? Maybe run down something with a vehicle?

Did the commander carry out the relevant actions himself? Give orders to carry them out? Relevant?
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Did he use some sort of espionage? Did he trick the Serb army into firing on its own tank?
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Did he use a weapon, such as a land mine, whose operation was not directly controlled by him, but rather was triggered "passively" by the movement of the tank? No.

Did he destroy/damage something else than the tank? No.

Did he use something which isn't technically a weapon but can be used to destroy something? Yes. Maybe run down something with a vehicle? No.

Did the commander carry out the relevant actions himself? Give orders to carry them out? This. Relevant? No.

Did he use some sort of espionage? No. Did he trick the Serb army into firing on its own tank? No.
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So he used something which isn't a weapon to destroy the tank? Equipment of the UN troops? Something present at the place anyway? Maybe something natural?

Was the Serb tank destroyed by an explosion? Something heavy falling on it ( like a collapsing building, a landslide...)? Something blocking its way it run into? Maloperation by its own crew?

Did the tank crew die in the event?
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So he used something which isn't a weapon to destroy the tank? Yes. Equipment of the UN troops? Yes. Something present at the place anyway? No. Maybe something natural? No.

Was the Serb tank destroyed by an explosion? No. Something heavy falling on it ( like a collapsing building, a landslide...)? No. Something blocking its way it run into? No. Maloperation by its own crew? No.

Did the tank crew die in the event? Unknown, irr.
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Was the tank in one piece after it was destroyed? Was it made inoperable?
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Was the tank in one piece after it was destroyed? Irr. Was it made inoperable? It already was, actually. But assume yes.
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Did he use the troops' rations to destroy the tank? Part of their uniforms? Ammunition?
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Did they use some massive object to damage the tank's walls (is this the right word? Or hull?)? To damage mechanic parts of the tank?
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Did he use the troops' rations to destroy the tank? Part of their uniforms? Ammunition? This...ish.

Did they use some massive object No. to damage the tank's walls (is this the right word? Or hull? Hull is the correct term.)? To damage mechanic parts of the tank?
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Did they use some part of the ammunition? Or is the ammunition itself more of an "ammunition-ish"?
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Did they use some part of the ammunition? Or is the ammunition itself more of an "ammunition-ish"? This.
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Is the "ammunition" used in a firearm?

Arrows?
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Is the "ammunition" used in a firearm? Yesish.

Arrows? No.
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Is it used in a type of gun? That is "ish" a firearm? BBs?
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Is it used in a type of gun? Yesish. That is "ish" a firearm? Yes. BBs? No.

I do have other puzzles, guys...
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A type of "ish" gun, then? A squirt gun? Water? Or a dart gun? Darts?
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A type of "ish" gun, then? Yes. A squirt gun? Water? Or a dart gun? Darts?It's not a toy.
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A gun attached to a vehicle of sorts? The gun on the tank?
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A gun attached to a vehicle of sorts? Irr, but likely. The gun on the tank? The enemy one? No.
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The gun on a friendly tank?
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The "ammunition", was it fireworks? and the "gun" was one of the tubes they are launched from?
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The gun on a friendly tank? Possibly.

The "ammunition", was it fireworks? Very close! and the "gun" was one of the tubes they are launched from? Yes.
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Cannonballs? Something explosive?
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Cannonballs? No. Something explosive? No.
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Is the "ammunition" on fire?
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Flares?
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Is the "ammunition" on fire? Yes.

Flares? Yes.
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Did he shoot a flare? At the tank? Did the tank catch fire? Did the flare go inside the tank? Setting a fire inside it?
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Did he shoot a flare? Yes. At the tank? Technically, no. Did the tank catch fire? Yep. Did the flare go inside the tank? Setting a fire inside it?
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Did he shoot a flare? Yes. At the tank? Technically, no; that would have violated his orders. Did the tank catch fire? Yep. Did the flare go inside the tank? Setting a fire inside it?
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Did he shoot the flare...in front of the tank? Behind it? Above it?

Did he shoot the flare straight up (well, relatively so)? But angled the shot so the flare would "accidentally" land on the tank?
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Did he shoot the flare...in front of the tank? Behind it? Above it?

Did he shoot the flare straight up (well, relatively so)? But angled the shot so the flare would "accidentally" land on the tank? This, and SPOILER:

The UN officer patiently waited until nightfall. Then, since there was nothing in his orders against lighting up his area, he launched several illumination shells -- which "just happened" to land on and around the spotter vehicle. The highly flammable phosphorus they contained ended the problem.
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Good lateral thinking by the officer, and nice puzzle!

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