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Good morning puzzle people.

Their second investment was a lot wiser than their first.

Please explain
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Their 1 = their 2, correct?

They = H? A? M? Number = 2? 3? less than 10? less than 1000?

Investment = money? some other thing? Wiser in the sense that benefited them more? To some other people?

Time elapsed between the two investments: hours? days? months? years?
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Their 1 = their 2, correct? Yes

They = H? A? M? Human Adults of both sexes Number = 2? 3? less than 10? less than 1000? This

Investment = money? Yes some other thing? Wiser in the sense that benefited them more? Yes To some other people?

Time elapsed between the two investments: hours? days? months? years? Years but would vary for each individual
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Banks?
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Was their second investment in something different from their first investment? Stocks relevant?
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Banks? You're welcome ;o)

sorry that's a yes


Was their second investment in something different from their first investment? Yes but... Stocks relevant? Indeed
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Did they lose money on their first investment? Win? Win money on the second one? Lose?

Is the first investment an investment in stocks? Stock options? The second one?

Going short relevant?
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Did they lose money on their first investment? Oh Lord yes Win? Win money on the second one? not so much win but they could have recouped some of their earlier losses Lose?

Is the first investment an investment in stocks? Yes Stock options? The second one? No

Going short relevant? No. There are no (capitalism at it's worst) technicalities at play here i.e. knowledge of how share trading works is not required to solve
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Second investment - did they bet on something? A horse?
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Did they invest in something that literally ascends into the sky?
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Second investment - did they bet on something? A horse? No to both


Did they invest in something that literally ascends into the sky? No
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Quote: Rbruma: Less than 1000? This

So...between 10 and 1000? That could be anything from 11 to 999, you know...*grin* So do you care to elaborate?(inserts LTPF list of integers between 11 and 999)? Or is it not all that important? (Why am I asking? It's the LTPF, every minute detail is important.)
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Quote: Rbruma: Less than 1000? This

So...between 10 and 1000? That could be anything from 11 to 999, you know...*grin* So do you care to elaborate?(inserts LTPF list of integers between 11 and 999)? Or is it not all that important? (Why am I asking? It's the LTPF, every minute detail is important About 30 or so. It's somewhat relevant how many people there are
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Was their first investment in stocks? Was their second?
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Was their first investment in stocks? yes Was their second? no
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Relevant what the particular stocks were? Did they invest in one stock? Multiple stocks? The same stock? Did the stock(s) go up after the investment? Down? WAY down?
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Relevant what the particular stocks were? Somewhat yes Did they invest in one stock? Yes Multiple stocks? well in truth they may have done but irrelevant The same stock? Yes Did the stock(s) go up after the investment? Down? WAY down? Way way way down
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LTPF list of continents, please. LTPF list of centuries, please.

The second investment was not in stocks. Into something else you could buy at an average bank? Something which you can't buy at an average bank but wouldn't be surprised to see as an investment of, say, a big insurance company (e.g. a forest, a majority participation in a company)?
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LTPF list of continents, please. LTPF list of centuries, please. Continent = Europe , a fair green isle very close to my own heart. Present Day.

The second investment was not in stocks. Into something else you could buy at an average bank? No Something which you can't buy at an average bank but wouldn't be surprised to see as an investment of, say, a big insurance company (e.g. a forest, a majority participation in a company)? It's something you can't buy at a bank or any financial services provider. However it is an increasingly popular form of investment
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Is the investment in an item? Like oil or pork bellies (which I have never understood the point of)?
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Was the second investment in people?
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Is the investment in an item? Like oil or pork bellies (which I have never understood the point of)? No it's not a commodity

Was the second investment in people? No

Hint : The second investment is somehow linked to the first
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Was the first investment long term? Was the second?
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Potatoes? (As it's Ireland, which you said without technically saying. Also, I like Ireland. I wish I could have gone there with my dad too and not just England and Wales, last year)
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Was the second investment in property? Antiques? Art?
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Was the first investment long term? It was supposed to be but alas.... Was the second? Again it could be but there was an opportunity to turn a quick buck

Potatoes? (As it's Ireland, which you said without technically saying. Also, I like Ireland. I wish I could have gone there with my dad too and not just England and Wales, last year)Ha Ha not potatoes. And yes you should come to Ireland, despite our current troubles you're still guaranteed a warm welcome


Was the second investment in property? Antiques? Art? Art . Well done
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Did they invest in works of art? In certain artists? Just one?

Relevant the medium of art? Painting? Sculpting? Something nonorthodox?
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Did they invest in works of art? In certain artists? Just one? just one

Relevant the medium of art? Yes Painting? Partly Sculpting? Something nonorthodox? partly this too
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Is it a modern artist?
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Is it a modern artist? Yes although it depends on your definition of modern art. The artwork in question is pretty unique i'd imagine
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Banksie?
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Banksie? No but nice thinking
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Graffiti art?
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Graffiti art? No. I guess this work would not fall into a particular genre
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Relevant what is being painted? Body painting?
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Relevant what is being painted? If you mean the subject of the painting then yes Body painting? But not this
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Relevant what the medium of painting is? What the paint is made out of?

Subject of the painting - people? Places? Objects?
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Relevant what the medium of painting is? Yes What the paint is made out of? no

Subject of the painting - people? A person, and objects Places? Objects?
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Are existing objects being painted? Are the objects being repainted?

Medium - buildings? Are the paintings overly large? Small? Postage stamps relevant?
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Are existing objects being painted? No Are the objects being repainted? No

Medium - buildings? No Are the paintings overly large? There's only one actual painting and it's normal sized Small? Postage stamps relevant? No to rest
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Hint : The painting is a normal canvas painting but which incorporates some other form of art. How the artist sourced his materials is relevant
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Does it incorporate drawing? Sculpting? Mosaic?
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Does it incorporate drawing? Sculpting? Mosaic? No to all but Mosiac isn't a mile away
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Does the other form of art involve tiles? Some other detritus? Random stuff? Wire?
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Does the other form of art involve tiles? Some other detritus? Random stuff? Wire? no to all
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Does the art consist of any form of painting? Of sculpting?
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Does the art consist of any form of painting? partly yes Of sculpting? no
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Painting certain objects? Stones?
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Pet rocks? (Completely random thought...)
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Painting certain objects? Stones? No, it's a canvas painting but incorporates some other material

Pet rocks? (Completely random thought...) No I'm afraid not unless you meant Peter rocks which of course would be a yes
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Well, as Peter means rock, I am quite sure he does :-D
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The other material - something man-made? Natural?
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The other material - something man-made? Natural? Man made. Think about the connection between the first investment and the second
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Was the art made from the worthless stocks? Is what the stock was in relevant?
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Was the art made from the worthless stocks? YES Is what the stock was in relevant? Unsurpringly it was Banking stock. You should be able to piece this together now
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OK, so they first invested in banking stock, which is an almost guaranteed bad investment in this economy, and as expected they lost money. Correct so far?

Did other people who'd had banking stock become disgusted with it? So they painted all over the stocks? Or did they paint with the stock papers?
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Continuing, did the "stock art" sell well? Just fair? Because of the common disgust in the economy? And so the investors, by investing in the "stock art," made some of their money back?
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OK, so they first invested in banking stock, which is an almost guaranteed bad investment in this economy, and as expected they lost money. Correct so far? Yes they lost everything the stock is no longer quoted and therefore worthless

Did other people who'd had banking stock become disgusted with it? I'm sure everyone did but not really relevant So they painted all over the stocks? No Or did they paint with the stock papers? Not quite only one artist produced this work

Continuing, did the "stock art" sell well? In truth it only made a little money Just fair? This i suppose Because of the common disgust in the economy? No And so the investors, by investing in the "stock art," made some of their money back? That's in theory what happened but there's more to be discovered
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Did the artist collect all the worthless stock paper to make the art? Was the artwork put on display? And gained a bit of a following?
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Did the artist collect all the worthless stock paper to make the art? Yes Was the artwork put on display? Yes And gained a bit of a following? Yes

I think you've done enough for me to declare

****************SPOILER*******************

Irish artist Frank O'Dea appealed to shareholders of the now defunct Anglo Irish Bank to send him their worthless share certificates so that he could incorporate them into a new painting "The Anglo Irish Bank Shareholder" that he was working on.

Here's the a picture of the painting

Each shareholder who sent in a cert was given a print of the original painting which were for sale generally at 20. The original painting was sold to a private collecter.

The painting seemed to capture the public's imagination as a symbolic image of post collapse Ireland and the prints were soon fetching over 200 on E-bay and similar sites.

So even though shareholders lost their shirts on their original investment at least Mr O'Dea has earned them a small consolation windfall.

Thanks for sticking with this Balin.
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No words can describe that other than great...that is both a great idea, and a great way to help out the people who got screwed over by the economy.

And a great puzzle, at that!
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Thanks for the kind comments.

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