| Author | Message | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4186 Registered: 5-2003 |
In his zeal to be a gentleman, he lost the girl. his=gentleman=he. He is H/A/M. The girl is H/A/F. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9051 Registered: 4-2010 |
Lost the girl - did she die? Did she spurn him? Did he commit a faux pas? Is his nationality relevant? Hers? If so, [LTPF list of continents]? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4190 Registered: 5-2003 |
Lost the girl - did she die? No. Did she spurn him? Yes. Did he commit a faux pas? Yesish. Is his nationality relevant? Hers? If so, [LTPF list of continents]? No, assume Britain. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9068 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is his clothing relevant? Hers? Had he been pursuing her for a long time? Did he say something that was misinterpreted? Or that was unintentionally offensive? Or rude? Same questions, only "do something" instead of "say something"? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4192 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is his clothing relevant? No. Hers? Yes. Had he been pursuing her for a long time? No. Did he say something that was misinterpreted? No. Or that was unintentionally offensive? Yes. Or rude? She may have thought so. Same questions, only "do something" instead of "say something" Same answers. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9080 Registered: 4-2010 |
Time period: [LTPF list of centuries]? Was she dressed especially formally? Was he? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4195 Registered: 5-2003 |
Time period: [LTPF list of centuries]? Irr, assume 19th. Was she dressed especially formally? Was he? No to both. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9087 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was he courting her? Through music? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4200 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was he courting her? \b(Yes.} Through music? No. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4201 Registered: 5-2003 |
Blooper: Was he courting her? No. | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4202 Registered: 5-2003 |
ReBlooper: Was he courting her? Yope. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9095 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was he trying to court her? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4205 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was he trying to court her? Yope. It's possible to interpret the lyrics more than one way. Assume yes if you like. | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 619 Registered: 9-2008 |
Was he being "a gentleman" by holding the door open for her? Walking next to the street? Offering his arm to her? Placing his coat on the ground? Sending flowers? Writing her a poem? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4206 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was he being "a gentleman" by holding the door open for her? Walking next to the street? Offering his arm to her? Placing his coat on the ground? Sending flowers? Writing her a poem? None of these. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9113 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was he talking to her? Were they in a group? Alone? Did he write her a letter? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4207 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was he talking to her? Yes. Were they in a group? No. Alone? Yes. Did he write her a letter? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9117 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did she say anything relevant? Relevant what he was talking about? Was he trying to woo her? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4208 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did she say anything relevant? At the end. Relevant what he was talking about? Yes. Was he trying to woo her? Not at first, but a little later. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9135 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was he talking about a person? An event? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4213 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was he talking about a person? Yes. An event? I wouldn't call it an event. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9186 Registered: 4-2010 |
Something that had happened? A scandal? Something widely known? Widely talked-about? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4215 Registered: 5-2003 |
Something that had happened? Something that was happening at the time. A scandal? No, but it might be if it were widely known... Something widely known? Widely talked-about? ... which it wasn't. | ||
| Woodworm (Woodworm)
New member Username: Woodworm Post Number: 2479 Registered: 3-2006 |
Not an event, but some ongoing state of affairs? Some sort of government corruption? Are the lyrics actually those of a folk song? Is he a singer? Or the hero of the song? Is she a famous person? A queen? Is slavery relevant? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4218 Registered: 5-2003 |
Not an event, but some ongoing state of affairs? Hm, I guess you could call it an event. I thought that meant "occasion." The term I would use is "incident." Some sort of government corruption? No. Are the lyrics actually those of a folk song? Yes. Is he a singer? No. Or the hero of the song? No. Protagonist, maybe, as it's told from his POV. Is she a famous person? No. A queen? No. Is slavery relevant? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9251 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was he involved in the incident? Was she? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 3145 Registered: 1-2007 |
Is there a war going on? Is he a soldier? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4221 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was he involved in the incident? Was she? Yes to both. Is there a war going on? Is he a soldier? No to both. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9263 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the incident scandalous? Embarrassing? Noteworthy? Praiseworthy? | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 3147 Registered: 1-2007 |
Did he unwittingly become involved in a crime? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4224 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was the incident scandalous? It would be to some. Embarrassing? Ditto. Noteworthy? No. Praiseworthy? Probably not. Did he unwittingly become involved in a crime? No. Might have violated a local statute, but irr. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9291 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was it a shocking incident? A shameful one? To him? To her? Did he mention the incident? Was that what caused her to spurn him? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4226 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was it a shocking incident? Yes. A shameful one? Yes. To him? Yes. To her? No. Did he mention the incident? Yes. Was that what caused her to spurn him? Not quite. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9311 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he imply that she was involved? Was she involved? Would it help to figure out the specific incident? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4230 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did he imply that she was involved? No. Was she involved? Yes. Would it help to figure out the specific incident? Absolutely. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9352 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he know she was involved? Did she know he was involved? When he mentioned it, did she realize he was the one involved? And thus spurned him? Did the incident occur in public? Were there many people around? Is this a feasible incident? Or does folk-song logic apply here? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4231 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did he know she was involved? Did she know he was involved? Yes to both. When he mentioned it, did she realize he was the one involved? And thus spurned him? This isn't the reason. Did the incident occur in public? No. Were there many people around? No. Is this a feasible incident? Yes. Or does folk-song logic apply here? To an extent. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9357 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was she just embarrassed to have to remember it again? Did the incident happen shortly before the spurning? A long time? Seconds? Minutes? Hours? Days? Weeks? Months? Years? Decades? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4233 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was she just embarrassed to have to remember it again? No. Did the incident happen shortly before the spurning? Yes. A long time? Seconds? Minutes? Minutes to hours. Hours? Days? Weeks? Months? Years? Decades? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9396 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he accidentally repeat the incident? Did he spill something on her? Was anyone else around to witness the incident? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4235 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did he accidentally repeat the incident? Did he spill something on her? Was anyone else around to witness the incident? No to all. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9416 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did the incident happen when they were together? Had they been together before the incident? From incident till spurning? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4238 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did the incident happen when they were together? Yes. Had they been together before the incident? No. From incident till spurning? Yes. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9471 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did they meet because of the incident? Was he instantly attracted to her? Was she to him? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4240 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did they meet because of the incident? Yesish. Was he instantly attracted to her? Yes. Was she to him? Assume yes. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9483 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he apologize to her after the incident? Was the incident his fault? Hers? Did the incident occur indoors? Outdoors? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4241 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did he apologize to her after the incident? Irr. Was the incident his fault? Hers? Both to an extent - He caused it, but she precipitated it. You'll understand once we reach the sp01ler. Did the incident occur indoors? Outdoors? This. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9500 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did they run into each other? Did the incident involve physical contact with each other? Did it involve music (this is, after all, a folk song)? | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 635 Registered: 9-2008 |
You said back in the beginning that her clothing was relevant...was she dressed as a man? dressed inappropriately for the weather/season? dressed inappropriately for the cultural norms? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4243 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did they run into each other? Something like that. Did the incident involve physical contact with each other? Yes. Did it involve music (this is, after all, a folk song)? No - while the man happens to own an instrument, it's irrelevant. You said back in the beginning that her clothing was relevant...was she dressed as a man? No. dressed inappropriately for the weather/season? Not necessarily. dressed inappropriately for the cultural norms? Definitely. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9517 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was she dressed immodestly by cultural standards? Over-modestly? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4245 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was she dressed immodestly by cultural standards? This. Over-modestly? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9522 Registered: 4-2010 |
If she had been dressed modestly, would the incident still have occurred? Did he somehow imply that he was courting her solely for her immodesty? Was she wearing any clothes at all? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4247 Registered: 5-2003 |
If she had been dressed modestly, would the incident still have occurred? No. Did he somehow imply that he was courting her solely for her immodesty? Technically, no. Was she wearing any clothes at all? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9528 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was she nude outside on purpose? Accidentally? Had she been bathing? And fallen out a window? Did she fall on top of him? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4249 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was she nude outside on purpose? Yes. Accidentally? No. Had she been bathing? Yesish. And fallen out a window? No. Did she fall on top of him? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9537 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was she skinny-dipping? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4251 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was she skinny-dipping? Yes. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9551 Registered: 4-2010 |
Relevant where she was skinny-dipping? In a lake? River? Pond? Ocean? Did he accidentally come across her while she was skinny-dipping? Was he planning to skinny-dip? In the same spot? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4253 Registered: 5-2003 |
Relevant where she was skinny-dipping? Not really. In a lake? River? This. Pond? Ocean? Did he accidentally come across her while she was skinny-dipping? Yes. Was he planning to skinny-dip? No. In the same spot? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9556 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was he planning to swim in the river? Wash his clothes? Relevant why he was at the river in the first place? Was the river on his property? Hers? Did she bring clothes to the river at all? A towel? Relevant? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4256 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was he planning to swim in the river? No. Wash his clothes? No. Relevant why he was at the river in the first place? Not really. Was the river on his property? Irr. Hers? Irr. Did she bring clothes to the river at all? Yes. A towel? Irr. Relevant? Yes (for the first question). | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9560 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did she come out of the river when she saw him? Did she come out of the river at all? Did she see him? Did he call to get her attention? When she came out of the river, did he hand her her clothes? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4257 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did she come out of the river when she saw him? Not immediately. Did she come out of the river at all? Yes. Did she see him? Yes. Did he call to get her attention? Irr. When she came out of the river, did he hand her her clothes? Assume yes. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9569 Registered: 4-2010 |
When she saw him, did she attempt to cover herself (or get underwater, or something like that)? Was she dressed when she spurned him? Did she spurn him because of something he said? Did that something refer to her nudity? Did he somehow imply (unintentionally or otherwise) that he wanted to see her naked? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4260 Registered: 5-2003 |
When she saw him, did she attempt to cover herself (or get underwater, or something like that)? No. Was she dressed when she spurned him? Yes. Did she spurn him because of something he said? Yes. Did that something refer to her nudity? Yes. Did he somehow imply (unintentionally or otherwise) that he wanted to see her naked? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9595 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he jump in and go skinny-dipping with her? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4262 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did he jump in and go skinny-dipping with her? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9601 Registered: 4-2010 |
Spurning: Did he directly mention her skinny-dipping? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4264 Registered: 5-2003 |
Spurning: Did he directly mention her skinny-dipping? Yes. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9635 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he mention that very incident? Did he imply that he would like for her to do it again? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4265 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did he mention that very incident? Yes. Did he imply that he would like for her to do it again? No. | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 648 Registered: 9-2008 |
Did he say something in an attempt to cover his/her embarrassment that indavertently sounded like he was insulted her? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4279 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did he say something in an attempt to cover his/her embarrassment that indavertently sounded like he was insulted her? Sort of, but look out for FAs. You're OTRT. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10125 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was he embarrassed about the incident? Was she? Could you please recap? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4287 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was he embarrassed about the incident? Possibly. Was she? No. Could you please recap? A man met a woman who was skinny-dipping in a river. As part of a gentlemanly effort to court her, he handed her back her clothes as she got out. Later, fully clothed, she spurned him, possibly because she felt insulted. Explain. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10159 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is it relevant that he handed her back her clothes? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4289 Registered: 5-2003 |
Is it relevant that he handed her back her clothes? Yes. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10195 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he mention handing back her clothes? Did he wonder (out loud?) what would have happened if he hadn't handed back her clothes? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4290 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did he mention handing back her clothes? Yes. Did he wonder (out loud?) what would have happened if he hadn't handed back her clothes? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10203 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he mention a specific article of clothing? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4291 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did he mention a specific article of clothing? No. | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 679 Registered: 9-2008 |
Sorry Jenburdoo - I had trouble finding this puzzle again. Maybe you should tell Paul that you want to be a Mod. JEN FOR MOD! JEN FOR MOD! So he said something relevant to her as he was handing her the clothes? Did he say something relevant after she put on her clothes? Was it related to: Her nakedness? Her clothes? The location? The weather? Possible passer-bys? His reason for passing by? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4296 Registered: 5-2003 |
So he said something relevant to her as he was handing her the clothes? Before he handed her the clothes. Did he say something relevant after she put on her clothes? No. Was it related to: Her nakedness? Yes. Her clothes? Yes. The location? No. The weather? Mildly. Possible passer-bys? No. His reason for passing by? No. | ||
| Kaygee (Kaygee)
New member Username: Kaygee Post Number: 689 Registered: 9-2008 |
Did he say something about the "effect" her body had on the water? the landscape? the community in general? Same questions for the clothes that she left on the shore. (I am envisioning something along the lines of: "I've never seen this river look so pretty before" or "Gosh, this tree is wearing a lovely dress today.") | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4321 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did he say something about the "effect" her body had on the water? the landscape? the community in general? Same questions for the clothes that she left on the shore. None of these. (I am envisioning something along the lines of: "I've never seen this river look so pretty before" or "Gosh, this tree is wearing a lovely dress today.") FA. Nothing Freudian or double-entendre. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10333 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he mention her body? A specific part of her body? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4324 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did he mention her body? A specific part of her body? No to both. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10338 Registered: 4-2010 |
Would the puzzle work if she had been wearing very skimpy clothing, instead of none at all? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4327 Registered: 5-2003 |
Would the puzzle work if she had been wearing very skimpy clothing, instead of none at all? Yes. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10346 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he use the word "naked"? To refer to her? To something else? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4330 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did he use the word "naked"? No. To refer to her? To something else? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10367 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he directly mention her nakedness? Her clothing? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4334 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did he directly mention her nakedness? No. Her clothing? Yes. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10386 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he hand her all her clothing? Did he specifically mention handing her the clothing? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4337 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did he hand her all her clothing? Yes. Did he specifically mention handing her the clothing? No. Now I think of it, he may not have ever touched her clothing, but this is irr. You can assume he gave them to her, but this too is irr -- she might as well have picked them all up herself. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10408 Registered: 4-2010 |
Relevant where they were when she spurned him? Did the "spurning statement" occur in ordinary conversation? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4343 Registered: 5-2003 |
Relevant where they were when she spurned him? Yes. Did the "spurning statement" occur in ordinary conversation? I'm not sure I understand that one. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10420 Registered: 4-2010 |
Rewording: The thing he said that made her spurn him - did he say it as part of ordinary conversation? Were they back at the river at spurning time? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4346 Registered: 5-2003 |
The thing he said that made her spurn him - did he say it as part of ordinary conversation? As opposed to...? Were they back at the river at spurning time? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10469 Registered: 4-2010 |
Well...as opposed to out of the blue, I guess. Were they at a home when the spurning occurred? Indoors? Outdoors? In public? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4350 Registered: 5-2003 |
Well...as opposed to out of the blue, I guess. Yes, then. Were they at a home when the spurning occurred? Yes. Indoors? Outdoors? This. In public? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10474 Registered: 4-2010 |
Were they at his home? Hers? Near a body of water? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4353 Registered: 5-2003 |
Were they at his home? Hers? This. Near a body of water? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10482 Registered: 4-2010 |
Relevant where in her home they were? Or just that they were in her home? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4355 Registered: 5-2003 |
Relevant where in her home they were? Outside it. Or just that they were in her home? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10526 Registered: 4-2010 |
Were they about to enter her home? Had they just left it? Been outside it for a long time? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4359 Registered: 5-2003 |
Were they about to enter her home? Yes. Had they just left it? Been outside it for a long time? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10535 Registered: 4-2010 |
Were they about to part? Did he say something like "I'll never forget the first time I saw you," and she took it the wrong way? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4361 Registered: 5-2003 |
Were they about to part? He thought not, but yes. Did he say something like "I'll never forget the first time I saw you," and she took it the wrong way? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10589 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was she expecting to be parting at that point? Did he try to convince her to remain? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4364 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was she expecting to be parting at that point? Yes. Did he try to convince her to remain? Irr. Actually, it's all pretty irr, what you want to figure out is what happened at the river. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10599 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he call out to her while she was in the river? Was she skinny-dipping alone? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4366 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did he call out to her while she was in the river? Yes. Was she skinny-dipping alone? Yes. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10615 Registered: 4-2010 |
Relevant why he was at the river? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4375 Registered: 5-2003 |
Relevant why he was at the river? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10639 Registered: 4-2010 |
When at the river, was he clothed? Did he go into the river? Did he undress? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4380 Registered: 5-2003 |
When at the river, was he clothed? Yes. Did he go into the river? Did he undress? Neither. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10651 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he ever approach the river? Were the girl's clothes at the river? Did he have to look to find them? Is it relevant how she dried off? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4383 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did he ever approach the river? Yes. Were the girl's clothes at the river? Yes. Did he have to look to find them? Irr. Is it relevant how she dried off? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10652 Registered: 4-2010 |
I'm not sure where to go next...recap please? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4387 Registered: 5-2003 |
Let's call them John and Mary... John discovered Mary skinny-dipping in a river. As part of a gentlemanly effort to court her, John handed Mary back her clothes as she got out. Later, fully clothed, she spurned him, possibly because she felt insulted. Explain. Hint: It has to do with something John said to Mary. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10659 Registered: 4-2010 |
Something John said to Mary...at the river? Right before the spurning? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4390 Registered: 5-2003 |
Something John said to Mary...at the river? This. Right before the spurning? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10663 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he say it when he first saw her? When handing her back her clothes? Did they talk for a while before she came out? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4394 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did he say it when he first saw her? This. When handing her back her clothes? Did they talk for a while before she came out? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10668 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he make an exclamation? Ask a question? Talk directly to her? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4396 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did he make an exclamation? Ask a question? Talk directly to her? This. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10670 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he compliment her? On her swimming? On her body? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4399 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did he compliment her? In a way, but irrelevant. On her swimming? On her body? This. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10673 Registered: 4-2010 |
On a certain part of her body? A *cough cough* certain part? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4403 Registered: 5-2003 |
On a certain part of her body? A *cough cough* certain part? No, just in general. He simply called her "a lady fair." (A common term in folksong) | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10677 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did she think this was referring to her skin tone? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4406 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did she think this was referring to her skin tone? No, and remember, his compliment was irrelevant. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10681 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he say something else relevant to her? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4409 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did he say something else relevant to her? Yes. | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 48 Registered: 1-2011 |
Did he simply told her to get dressed? And she understood it like "cover yourself because you look ugly"? So she thought that he doesn't find her attractive? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4413 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did he simply told her to get dressed? Yes. And she understood it like "cover yourself because you look ugly"? No. So she thought that he doesn't find her attractive? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10690 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did she think he didn't like her body? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4415 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did she think he didn't like her body? No. | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 57 Registered: 1-2011 |
He told her to get dressed and she: misunderstood it? misheard it? hoped he would compliment her, what he did not? understood it properly? She was skinny - dipping, he came, handed her clothes and told her to get dressed, and later in front of her house she spurned him. Are these all things that happen? Or something relevant happened in between? Did he say something more than her to get dressed? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4417 Registered: 5-2003 |
He told her to get dressed and she: misunderstood it? misheard it? hoped he would compliment her, what he did not? Yes. understood it properly? Yes. She was skinny - dipping, he came, handed her clothes and told her to get dressed, and later in front of her house she spurned him. Are these all things that happen? Or something relevant happened in between? Mildly, don't worry too much about it. Did he say something more than her to get dressed? Yes. | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 58 Registered: 1-2011 |
Did she expected something else to happen, and - as nothing happened - she felt insulted by the fact that a man saw her naked and it made no impression on him? Did he disappoint her somehow? Didn't meet her expectations? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10701 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he say "Put these on"? "Put your clothes on"? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4418 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did she expected something else to happen, and - as nothing happened - she felt insulted by the fact that a man saw her naked and it made no impression on him? Yes! Did he disappoint her somehow? Yes. Didn't meet her expectations? Did he say "Put these on"? "Put your clothes on"? Yes. You're very close to solution. Why did he do this? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10715 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was he trying to be decent? Gentlemanly? Did he assume she would be embarrassed by him seeing her naked? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4420 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was he trying to be decent? Gentlemanly? Did he assume she would be embarrassed by him seeing her naked? Yes to all three, but irrelevant to the lady's reason for spurning him. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10725 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he not want to see her naked? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4421 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did he not want to see her naked? Not necessarily true, but... | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10730 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did she interpret it as "he doesn't want to see me naked"? Did she want to be seen naked? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4424 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did she interpret it as "he doesn't want to see me naked"? Yes, and... Did she want to be seen naked? Not that specifically... You are very close now. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10734 Registered: 4-2010 |
And "He doesn't want to sleep with me"? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 59 Registered: 1-2011 |
He told her that he shouldn't see her naked? And then she knew there will be nothing more between them? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4425 Registered: 5-2003 |
And "He doesn't want to sleep with me"? There's a social element too. He told her that he shouldn't see her naked? He told her that he shouldn't see her naked at that particular time. And then she knew there will be nothing more between them? She decided it. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10761 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was skinny-dipping common in that particular culture? Was it a norm? More than a norm? A requirement? The equivalent of a proposal? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4427 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was skinny-dipping common in that particular culture? Was it a norm? More than a norm? A requirement? The equivalent of a proposal? None of these. | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 957 Registered: 5-2009 |
Did she assume he didn't want to be associated with her by the people? If so: was she right? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4430 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did she assume he didn't want to be associated with her by the people? If so: was she right? No, but you're starting to circle around relevance here. | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 70 Registered: 1-2011 |
"At that particular time" - time of day? season of the year? in relation to any other event? time meaning something happening (like time of war)? time meaning state of hers (like her being pregnant)? Did he have any particular reason not to be seen by anybody? Did she have (a part of being naked, of course)? Did she have any particular "fame" in the neighborhood? Like being a witch? Or being "easy"? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4437 Registered: 5-2003 |
"At that particular time" Well, time and location. What should she have been doing instead? - time of day? season of the year? in relation to any other event? The skinny-dipping. time meaning something happening (like time of war)? time meaning state of hers (like her being pregnant)? Did he have any particular reason not to be seen by anybody? Did she have (a part of being naked, of course)? He thought so. Did she have any particular "fame" in the neighborhood? Irr. Like being a witch? Or being "easy"? And "He doesn't want to sleep with me"? There's a social element too. Oh, and this is very relevant. He does want to sleep with her, but... | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10832 Registered: 4-2010 |
But...not immediately? Does he want to get to know her before sleeping with her? Does he want to marry her before sleeping with her? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 89 Registered: 1-2011 |
She should have been somewhere else instead of skinny-dipping in the river? And it was the fact known to him? Widely known? Was she expected somewhere? It is relevant why he came to the river? Did they know each other before the incident? Or hear about each other? The fact that she was skinny-dipping at that particular moment caused some uncertainty or hesitations of him? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4439 Registered: 5-2003 |
But...not immediately? Correct. Does he want to get to know her before sleeping with her? Does he want to marry her before sleeping with her? Yes. She should have been somewhere else instead of skinny-dipping in the river? He thought so. And it was the fact known to him? Widely known? A general expectation of young women. Was she expected somewhere? No. It is relevant why he came to the river? Did they know each other before the incident? Or hear about each other? No to all. The fact that she was skinny-dipping at that particular moment caused some uncertainty or hesitations of him? OTRT. You guys are quite close. Hint: He was sexist. | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 94 Registered: 1-2011 |
Did he expect her being at home, doing some housework, cooking? cleaning up? Or he expected her washing her clothes in the river? Or he considered her old enough to should have already been married? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4443 Registered: 5-2003 |
Did he expect her being at home, This. doing some housework, cooking? cleaning up? Or he expected her washing her clothes in the river? Or he considered her old enough to should have already been married? Spoiler: Once there was a shepherd lad kept sheep upon the hill An he's laid his pipe and crook aside and there he's slept his fill. He woke up on a riverbank on a fine May mornin, And there he spied a lady swimming in the clothes that she was born in. So he raised his head from his green bed and he approached the maid, "Put on yer claithes, my dear," he says, "and do not be afraid. 'Tis fitter for a lady fair to sew a silken seam Than to rise on a fine May morning and swim against the stream." "Well, if you'll not touch my mantle and you'll leave my claithes alane, Then I'll give you all the money, sir, that you can carry hame." "I'll not touch your mantle and I'll leave yer claithes alane, But I'll tak you out of the clear water, my dear, to be my ane." So he's ta'en her oot o' the clear water and he's rowed her in his arms. "Put on yer claithes, my dear," he says, "and hide your bounteous charms." He put her on a milk white steed and himself upon another, And it's all along the way they rode, like sister and like brother. They rode intae her faither's gate and she's tirled at the pin, And ready stood a porter there to let the fair maid in. When the gates were opened, it's so nimbly she stepped in, She said, "Kind sir, you are a fool without and I'm a maid within. "So fare thee weel, my modest boy, I thank you for your care, But if you had done as you desired, I'd never have left you there. I will sew no silken seam on a fine May morning, You can bide your time till your time runs out, so take this as fair warning." | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 10849 Registered: 4-2010 |
I love these folksong puzzles! And yeah, that guy kinda had it coming. |
