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Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
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Posted on Friday, December 03, 2010 - 9:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

In his zeal to be a gentleman, he lost the girl.

his=gentleman=he.
He is H/A/M.
The girl is H/A/F.
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Posted on Friday, December 03, 2010 - 9:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Lost the girl - did she die? Did she spurn him?

Did he commit a faux pas?

Is his nationality relevant? Hers? If so, [LTPF list of continents]?
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Lost the girl - did she die? No. Did she spurn him? Yes.

Did he commit a faux pas? Yesish.

Is his nationality relevant? Hers? If so, [LTPF list of continents]? No, assume Britain.
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Is his clothing relevant? Hers?

Had he been pursuing her for a long time?

Did he say something that was misinterpreted? Or that was unintentionally offensive? Or rude?

Same questions, only "do something" instead of "say something"?
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Is his clothing relevant? No. Hers? Yes.

Had he been pursuing her for a long time? No.

Did he say something that was misinterpreted? No. Or that was unintentionally offensive? Yes. Or rude? She may have thought so.

Same questions, only "do something" instead of "say something" Same answers.
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Time period: [LTPF list of centuries]?

Was she dressed especially formally? Was he?
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Time period: [LTPF list of centuries]? Irr, assume 19th.

Was she dressed especially formally? Was he? No to both.
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Was he courting her? Through music?
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Was he courting her? \b(Yes.} Through music? No.
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Blooper: Was he courting her? No.
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ReBlooper: Was he courting her? Yope.
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Was he trying to court her?
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Was he trying to court her? Yope. It's possible to interpret the lyrics more than one way. Assume yes if you like.
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Was he being "a gentleman" by holding the door open for her? Walking next to the street? Offering his arm to her? Placing his coat on the ground? Sending flowers? Writing her a poem?
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Was he being "a gentleman" by holding the door open for her? Walking next to the street? Offering his arm to her? Placing his coat on the ground? Sending flowers? Writing her a poem? None of these.
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Was he talking to her? Were they in a group? Alone? Did he write her a letter?
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Was he talking to her? Yes. Were they in a group? No. Alone? Yes. Did he write her a letter? No.
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Did she say anything relevant? Relevant what he was talking about? Was he trying to woo her?
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Did she say anything relevant? At the end. Relevant what he was talking about? Yes. Was he trying to woo her? Not at first, but a little later.
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Was he talking about a person? An event?
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Was he talking about a person? Yes. An event? I wouldn't call it an event.
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Something that had happened? A scandal? Something widely known? Widely talked-about?
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Something that had happened? Something that was happening at the time. A scandal? No, but it might be if it were widely known... Something widely known? Widely talked-about? ... which it wasn't.
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Not an event, but some ongoing state of affairs? Some sort of government corruption? Are the lyrics actually those of a folk song? Is he a singer? Or the hero of the song? Is she a famous person? A queen? Is slavery relevant?
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Not an event, but some ongoing state of affairs? Hm, I guess you could call it an event. I thought that meant "occasion." The term I would use is "incident." Some sort of government corruption? No. Are the lyrics actually those of a folk song? Yes. Is he a singer? No. Or the hero of the song? No. Protagonist, maybe, as it's told from his POV. Is she a famous person? No. A queen? No. Is slavery relevant? No.
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Was he involved in the incident? Was she?
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Is there a war going on? Is he a soldier?
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Was he involved in the incident? Was she? Yes to both.

Is there a war going on? Is he a soldier? No to both.
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Was the incident scandalous? Embarrassing? Noteworthy? Praiseworthy?
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Did he unwittingly become involved in a crime?
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Was the incident scandalous? It would be to some. Embarrassing? Ditto. Noteworthy? No. Praiseworthy? Probably not.

Did he unwittingly become involved in a crime? No. Might have violated a local statute, but irr.
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Was it a shocking incident? A shameful one? To him? To her?

Did he mention the incident? Was that what caused her to spurn him?
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Was it a shocking incident? Yes. A shameful one? Yes. To him? Yes. To her? No.

Did he mention the incident? Yes. Was that what caused her to spurn him? Not quite.
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Did he imply that she was involved? Was she involved?

Would it help to figure out the specific incident?
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Did he imply that she was involved? No. Was she involved? Yes.

Would it help to figure out the specific incident? Absolutely.
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Did he know she was involved? Did she know he was involved?

When he mentioned it, did she realize he was the one involved? And thus spurned him?

Did the incident occur in public? Were there many people around? Is this a feasible incident? Or does folk-song logic apply here?
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Did he know she was involved? Did she know he was involved? Yes to both.

When he mentioned it, did she realize he was the one involved? And thus spurned him? This isn't the reason.

Did the incident occur in public? No. Were there many people around? No. Is this a feasible incident? Yes. Or does folk-song logic apply here? To an extent.
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Was she just embarrassed to have to remember it again?

Did the incident happen shortly before the spurning? A long time? Seconds? Minutes? Hours? Days? Weeks? Months? Years? Decades?
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Was she just embarrassed to have to remember it again? No.

Did the incident happen shortly before the spurning? Yes. A long time? Seconds? Minutes? Minutes to hours. Hours? Days? Weeks? Months? Years? Decades?
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Did he accidentally repeat the incident?

Did he spill something on her?

Was anyone else around to witness the incident?
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Did he accidentally repeat the incident?

Did he spill something on her?

Was anyone else around to witness the incident? No to all.
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Did the incident happen when they were together? Had they been together before the incident? From incident till spurning?
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Did the incident happen when they were together? Yes. Had they been together before the incident? No. From incident till spurning? Yes.
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Did they meet because of the incident? Was he instantly attracted to her? Was she to him?
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Did they meet because of the incident? Yesish. Was he instantly attracted to her? Yes. Was she to him? Assume yes.
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Did he apologize to her after the incident? Was the incident his fault? Hers?

Did the incident occur indoors? Outdoors?
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Did he apologize to her after the incident? Irr. Was the incident his fault? Hers? Both to an extent - He caused it, but she precipitated it. You'll understand once we reach the sp01ler.

Did the incident occur indoors? Outdoors? This.
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Did they run into each other? Did the incident involve physical contact with each other? Did it involve music (this is, after all, a folk song)?
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You said back in the beginning that her clothing was relevant...was she dressed as a man?
dressed inappropriately for the weather/season?
dressed inappropriately for the cultural norms?
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Did they run into each other? Something like that. Did the incident involve physical contact with each other? Yes. Did it involve music (this is, after all, a folk song)? No - while the man happens to own an instrument, it's irrelevant.

You said back in the beginning that her clothing was relevant...was she dressed as a man? No.
dressed inappropriately for the weather/season? Not necessarily.
dressed inappropriately for the cultural norms? Definitely.
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Was she dressed immodestly by cultural standards? Over-modestly?
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Was she dressed immodestly by cultural standards? This. Over-modestly?
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If she had been dressed modestly, would the incident still have occurred? Did he somehow imply that he was courting her solely for her immodesty? Was she wearing any clothes at all?
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If she had been dressed modestly, would the incident still have occurred? No. Did he somehow imply that he was courting her solely for her immodesty? Technically, no. Was she wearing any clothes at all? No.
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Was she nude outside on purpose? Accidentally? Had she been bathing? And fallen out a window? Did she fall on top of him?
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Was she nude outside on purpose? Yes. Accidentally? No. Had she been bathing? Yesish. And fallen out a window? No. Did she fall on top of him? No.
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Was she skinny-dipping?
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Was she skinny-dipping? Yes.
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Relevant where she was skinny-dipping? In a lake? River? Pond? Ocean? Did he accidentally come across her while she was skinny-dipping? Was he planning to skinny-dip? In the same spot?
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Relevant where she was skinny-dipping? Not really. In a lake? River? This. Pond? Ocean? Did he accidentally come across her while she was skinny-dipping? Yes. Was he planning to skinny-dip? No. In the same spot?
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Was he planning to swim in the river? Wash his clothes? Relevant why he was at the river in the first place? Was the river on his property? Hers?

Did she bring clothes to the river at all? A towel? Relevant?
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Was he planning to swim in the river? No. Wash his clothes? No. Relevant why he was at the river in the first place? Not really. Was the river on his property? Irr. Hers? Irr.

Did she bring clothes to the river at all? Yes. A towel? Irr. Relevant? Yes (for the first question).
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Did she come out of the river when she saw him? Did she come out of the river at all? Did she see him? Did he call to get her attention?

When she came out of the river, did he hand her her clothes?
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Did she come out of the river when she saw him? Not immediately. Did she come out of the river at all? Yes. Did she see him? Yes. Did he call to get her attention? Irr.

When she came out of the river, did he hand her her clothes? Assume yes.
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When she saw him, did she attempt to cover herself (or get underwater, or something like that)?

Was she dressed when she spurned him? Did she spurn him because of something he said? Did that something refer to her nudity? Did he somehow imply (unintentionally or otherwise) that he wanted to see her naked?
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When she saw him, did she attempt to cover herself (or get underwater, or something like that)? No.

Was she dressed when she spurned him? Yes. Did she spurn him because of something he said? Yes. Did that something refer to her nudity? Yes. Did he somehow imply (unintentionally or otherwise) that he wanted to see her naked? No.
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Did he jump in and go skinny-dipping with her?
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Did he jump in and go skinny-dipping with her? No.
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Spurning: Did he directly mention her skinny-dipping?
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Spurning: Did he directly mention her skinny-dipping? Yes.
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Did he mention that very incident? Did he imply that he would like for her to do it again?
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Did he mention that very incident? Yes. Did he imply that he would like for her to do it again? No.
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Did he say something in an attempt to cover his/her embarrassment that indavertently sounded like he was insulted her?
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Did he say something in an attempt to cover his/her embarrassment that indavertently sounded like he was insulted her? Sort of, but look out for FAs. You're OTRT.
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Was he embarrassed about the incident? Was she?

Could you please recap?
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Was he embarrassed about the incident? Possibly. Was she? No.

Could you please recap?

A man met a woman who was skinny-dipping in a river. As part of a gentlemanly effort to court her, he handed her back her clothes as she got out. Later, fully clothed, she spurned him, possibly because she felt insulted. Explain.
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Is it relevant that he handed her back her clothes?
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Is it relevant that he handed her back her clothes? Yes.
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Did he mention handing back her clothes? Did he wonder (out loud?) what would have happened if he hadn't handed back her clothes?
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Did he mention handing back her clothes? Yes. Did he wonder (out loud?) what would have happened if he hadn't handed back her clothes? No.
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Did he mention a specific article of clothing?
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Did he mention a specific article of clothing? No.
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Sorry Jenburdoo - I had trouble finding this puzzle again. Maybe you should tell Paul that you want to be a Mod.
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So he said something relevant to her as he was handing her the clothes? Did he say something relevant after she put on her clothes? Was it related to: Her nakedness? Her clothes? The location? The weather? Possible passer-bys? His reason for passing by?
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So he said something relevant to her as he was handing her the clothes? Before he handed her the clothes. Did he say something relevant after she put on her clothes? No. Was it related to: Her nakedness? Yes. Her clothes? Yes. The location? No. The weather? Mildly. Possible passer-bys? No. His reason for passing by? No.
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Did he say something about the "effect" her body had on the water? the landscape? the community in general?
Same questions for the clothes that she left on the shore.
(I am envisioning something along the lines of: "I've never seen this river look so pretty before" or "Gosh, this tree is wearing a lovely dress today.")
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Did he say something about the "effect" her body had on the water? the landscape? the community in general?
Same questions for the clothes that she left on the shore. None of these.
(I am envisioning something along the lines of: "I've never seen this river look so pretty before" or "Gosh, this tree is wearing a lovely dress today.") FA. Nothing Freudian or double-entendre.
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Did he mention her body? A specific part of her body?
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Did he mention her body? A specific part of her body? No to both.
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Would the puzzle work if she had been wearing very skimpy clothing, instead of none at all?
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Would the puzzle work if she had been wearing very skimpy clothing, instead of none at all? Yes.
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Did he use the word "naked"? To refer to her? To something else?
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Did he use the word "naked"? No. To refer to her? To something else?
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Did he directly mention her nakedness? Her clothing?
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Did he directly mention her nakedness? No. Her clothing? Yes.
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Did he hand her all her clothing? Did he specifically mention handing her the clothing?
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Did he hand her all her clothing? Yes. Did he specifically mention handing her the clothing? No.

Now I think of it, he may not have ever touched her clothing, but this is irr. You can assume he gave them to her, but this too is irr -- she might as well have picked them all up herself.
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Relevant where they were when she spurned him? Did the "spurning statement" occur in ordinary conversation?
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Relevant where they were when she spurned him? Yes. Did the "spurning statement" occur in ordinary conversation? I'm not sure I understand that one.
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Rewording:

The thing he said that made her spurn him - did he say it as part of ordinary conversation?

Were they back at the river at spurning time?
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The thing he said that made her spurn him - did he say it as part of ordinary conversation? As opposed to...?

Were they back at the river at spurning time? No.
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Well...as opposed to out of the blue, I guess.

Were they at a home when the spurning occurred? Indoors? Outdoors? In public?
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Well...as opposed to out of the blue, I guess. Yes, then.

Were they at a home when the spurning occurred? Yes. Indoors? Outdoors? This. In public?
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Were they at his home? Hers? Near a body of water?
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Were they at his home? Hers? This. Near a body of water? No.
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Relevant where in her home they were? Or just that they were in her home?
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Relevant where in her home they were? Outside it. Or just that they were in her home?
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Were they about to enter her home? Had they just left it? Been outside it for a long time?
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Were they about to enter her home? Yes. Had they just left it? Been outside it for a long time? No.
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Were they about to part? Did he say something like "I'll never forget the first time I saw you," and she took it the wrong way?
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Were they about to part? He thought not, but yes. Did he say something like "I'll never forget the first time I saw you," and she took it the wrong way? No.
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Was she expecting to be parting at that point? Did he try to convince her to remain?
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Was she expecting to be parting at that point? Yes. Did he try to convince her to remain? Irr. Actually, it's all pretty irr, what you want to figure out is what happened at the river.
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Did he call out to her while she was in the river? Was she skinny-dipping alone?
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Did he call out to her while she was in the river? Yes. Was she skinny-dipping alone? Yes.
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Relevant why he was at the river?
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Relevant why he was at the river? No.
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When at the river, was he clothed? Did he go into the river? Did he undress?
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When at the river, was he clothed? Yes. Did he go into the river? Did he undress? Neither.
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Did he ever approach the river? Were the girl's clothes at the river? Did he have to look to find them?

Is it relevant how she dried off?
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Did he ever approach the river? Yes. Were the girl's clothes at the river? Yes. Did he have to look to find them? Irr.

Is it relevant how she dried off? No.
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I'm not sure where to go next...recap please?
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Let's call them John and Mary...

John discovered Mary skinny-dipping in a river. As part of a gentlemanly effort to court her, John handed Mary back her clothes as she got out. Later, fully clothed, she spurned him, possibly because she felt insulted. Explain.

Hint: It has to do with something John said to Mary.
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Something John said to Mary...at the river? Right before the spurning?
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Something John said to Mary...at the river? This. Right before the spurning?
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Did he say it when he first saw her? When handing her back her clothes? Did they talk for a while before she came out?
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Did he say it when he first saw her? This. When handing her back her clothes? Did they talk for a while before she came out? No.
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Did he make an exclamation? Ask a question? Talk directly to her?
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Did he make an exclamation? Ask a question? Talk directly to her? This.
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Did he compliment her? On her swimming? On her body?
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Did he compliment her? In a way, but irrelevant. On her swimming? On her body? This.
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On a certain part of her body? A *cough cough* certain part?
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On a certain part of her body? A *cough cough* certain part? No, just in general. He simply called her "a lady fair." (A common term in folksong)
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Did she think this was referring to her skin tone?
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Did she think this was referring to her skin tone? No, and remember, his compliment was irrelevant.
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Did he say something else relevant to her?
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Did he say something else relevant to her? Yes.
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Did he simply told her to get dressed? And she understood it like "cover yourself because you look ugly"? So she thought that he doesn't find her attractive?
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Did he simply told her to get dressed? Yes. And she understood it like "cover yourself because you look ugly"? No. So she thought that he doesn't find her attractive? No.
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Did she think he didn't like her body?
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Did she think he didn't like her body? No.
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He told her to get dressed and she: misunderstood it? misheard it? hoped he would compliment her, what he did not? understood it properly?
She was skinny - dipping, he came, handed her clothes and told her to get dressed, and later in front of her house she spurned him. Are these all things that happen? Or something relevant happened in between? Did he say something more than her to get dressed?
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He told her to get dressed and she: misunderstood it? misheard it? hoped he would compliment her, what he did not? Yes. understood it properly? Yes.
She was skinny - dipping, he came, handed her clothes and told her to get dressed, and later in front of her house she spurned him. Are these all things that happen? Or something relevant happened in between? Mildly, don't worry too much about it. Did he say something more than her to get dressed? Yes.
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Did she expected something else to happen, and - as nothing happened - she felt insulted by the fact that a man saw her naked and it made no impression on him?
Did he disappoint her somehow? Didn't meet her expectations?
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Did he say "Put these on"? "Put your clothes on"?
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Did she expected something else to happen, and - as nothing happened - she felt insulted by the fact that a man saw her naked and it made no impression on him? Yes!
Did he disappoint her somehow? Yes. Didn't meet her expectations?

Did he say "Put these on"? "Put your clothes on"? Yes.

You're very close to solution. Why did he do this?
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Was he trying to be decent? Gentlemanly? Did he assume she would be embarrassed by him seeing her naked?
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Was he trying to be decent? Gentlemanly? Did he assume she would be embarrassed by him seeing her naked? Yes to all three, but irrelevant to the lady's reason for spurning him.
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Did he not want to see her naked?
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Did he not want to see her naked? Not necessarily true, but...
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Did she interpret it as "he doesn't want to see me naked"? Did she want to be seen naked?
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Did she interpret it as "he doesn't want to see me naked"? Yes, and... Did she want to be seen naked? Not that specifically... You are very close now.
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And "He doesn't want to sleep with me"?
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He told her that he shouldn't see her naked? And then she knew there will be nothing more between them?
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And "He doesn't want to sleep with me"? There's a social element too.

He told her that he shouldn't see her naked? He told her that he shouldn't see her naked at that particular time. And then she knew there will be nothing more between them? She decided it.
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Was skinny-dipping common in that particular culture? Was it a norm? More than a norm? A requirement? The equivalent of a proposal?
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Was skinny-dipping common in that particular culture? Was it a norm? More than a norm? A requirement? The equivalent of a proposal? None of these.
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Did she assume he didn't want to be associated with her by the people? If so: was she right?
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Did she assume he didn't want to be associated with her by the people? If so: was she right? No, but you're starting to circle around relevance here.
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"At that particular time" - time of day? season of the year? in relation to any other event? time meaning something happening (like time of war)? time meaning state of hers (like her being pregnant)?
Did he have any particular reason not to be seen by anybody? Did she have (a part of being naked, of course)?
Did she have any particular "fame" in the neighborhood? Like being a witch? Or being "easy"?
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"At that particular time" Well, time and location. What should she have been doing instead? - time of day? season of the year? in relation to any other event? The skinny-dipping. time meaning something happening (like time of war)? time meaning state of hers (like her being pregnant)?
Did he have any particular reason not to be seen by anybody? Did she have (a part of being naked, of course)? He thought so.
Did she have any particular "fame" in the neighborhood? Irr. Like being a witch? Or being "easy"?

And "He doesn't want to sleep with me"? There's a social element too. Oh, and this is very relevant. He does want to sleep with her, but...
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But...not immediately? Does he want to get to know her before sleeping with her? Does he want to marry her before sleeping with her?
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She should have been somewhere else instead of skinny-dipping in the river? And it was the fact known to him? Widely known? Was she expected somewhere?
It is relevant why he came to the river? Did they know each other before the incident? Or hear about each other?
The fact that she was skinny-dipping at that particular moment caused some uncertainty or hesitations of him?
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But...not immediately? Correct. Does he want to get to know her before sleeping with her? Does he want to marry her before sleeping with her? Yes.

She should have been somewhere else instead of skinny-dipping in the river? He thought so. And it was the fact known to him? Widely known? A general expectation of young women. Was she expected somewhere? No.
It is relevant why he came to the river? Did they know each other before the incident? Or hear about each other? No to all.
The fact that she was skinny-dipping at that particular moment caused some uncertainty or hesitations of him? OTRT.

You guys are quite close. Hint: He was sexist.
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Did he expect her being at home, doing some housework, cooking? cleaning up? Or he expected her washing her clothes in the river? Or he considered her old enough to should have already been married?
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Did he expect her being at home, This. doing some housework, cooking? cleaning up? Or he expected her washing her clothes in the river? Or he considered her old enough to should have already been married?

Spoiler:

Once there was a shepherd lad kept sheep upon the hill
An he's laid his pipe and crook aside and there he's slept his fill.
He woke up on a riverbank on a fine May mornin,
And there he spied a lady swimming in the clothes that she was born in.

So he raised his head from his green bed and he approached the maid,
"Put on yer claithes, my dear," he says, "and do not be afraid.
'Tis fitter for a lady fair to sew a silken seam
Than to rise on a fine May morning and swim against the stream."

"Well, if you'll not touch my mantle and you'll leave my claithes alane,
Then I'll give you all the money, sir, that you can carry hame."
"I'll not touch your mantle and I'll leave yer claithes alane,
But I'll tak you out of the clear water, my dear, to be my ane."

So he's ta'en her oot o' the clear water and he's rowed her in his arms.
"Put on yer claithes, my dear," he says, "and hide your bounteous charms."
He put her on a milk white steed and himself upon another,
And it's all along the way they rode, like sister and like brother.

They rode intae her faither's gate and she's tirled at the pin,
And ready stood a porter there to let the fair maid in.
When the gates were opened, it's so nimbly she stepped in,
She said, "Kind sir, you are a fool without and I'm a maid within.

"So fare thee weel, my modest boy, I thank you for your care,
But if you had done as you desired, I'd never have left you there.
I will sew no silken seam on a fine May morning,
You can bide your time till your time runs out, so take this as fair warning."
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I love these folksong puzzles!

And yeah, that guy kinda had it coming.

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