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| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9082 Registered: 4-2010 |
A group of six students go to see a certain event. During the event, five of the students progressively become more and more tired, while the sixth one does not. Why? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 1800 Registered: 9-2010 |
Student 1: H/A/M? H/A/F? Student 2: H/A/M? H/A/F? Student 3: H/A/M? H/A/F? Student 4: H/A/M? H/A/F? Student 5: H/A/M? H/A/F? Student 6: H/A/M? H/A/F? Is Student 6 different from the others in some way? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9084 Registered: 4-2010 |
Student 1: H/A/M? H/A/F? Student 2: H/A/M? H/A/F? Student 3: H/A/M? H/A/F? Student 4: H/A/M? H/A/F? Student 5: H/A/M? H/A/F? Students 1-4 are HAM, and the other two are HAF. Student 6: H/A/M? H/A/F? Is Student 6 different from the others in some way? Yope | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 1802 Registered: 9-2010 |
Shall we call them Alex, Bob, Carl, Dan, and perhaps Emily and Fiona, then? (Nicked the male names from Greg's puzzle, though I'm not saying they're the same people.) So they're college students, then? Do they know each other well? Share classes? Are any of them related by blood? Friends? Dating? Married (to each other)? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 1287 Registered: 6-2008 |
Are the five who get tired cheering someone in an athletic event? whereas the sixth one doesn't? or is the sixth just drinking lots of coffee? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9092 Registered: 4-2010 |
Shall we call them Alex, Bob, Carl, Dan, and perhaps Emily and Fiona, then? (Nicked the male names from Greg's puzzle, though I'm not saying they're the same people.) Sounds good. So they're college students, then? Yes Do they know each other well? Yes Share classes? Are any of them related by blood? Friends? Dating? Married (to each other)? Assume they are all friends. Are the five who get tired cheering someone Yesish in an athletic event? Yes whereas the sixth one doesn't? No or is the sixth just drinking lots of coffee? No | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 1805 Registered: 9-2010 |
Is Fiona already asleep, and so she can't get more tired? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9099 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is Fiona already asleep, and so she can't get more tired? Good idea. Not correct, but a good idea nonetheless. | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 1806 Registered: 9-2010 |
Is this a true story? Are you one of Alex, Bob, Carl and Dan? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9105 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is this a true story? Yes Are you one of Alex, Bob, Carl and Dan? No, although I did witness this. | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 1807 Registered: 9-2010 |
So was the sporting event at your school then? Or somewhere else? A rival's school but playing against your team? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9107 Registered: 4-2010 |
So was the sporting event at your school then? Yep Or somewhere else? A rival's school but playing against your team? | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4826 Registered: 12-2000 |
Had Fiona just woken up whereas the rest of the group were at the end of their day? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 453 Registered: 9-2010 |
Was it [Insert LTPF list of sports Elon offers]? Was it a home game? An away game? In other news, UConn football is going to the BCS! Wooh! | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9110 Registered: 4-2010 |
Had Fiona just woken up whereas the rest of the group were at the end of their day? No Was it [Insert LTPF list of sports Elon offers]? Football Was it a home game? This An away game? In other news, UConn football is going to the BCS! Wooh! I know!! | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4841 Registered: 12-2000 |
Were they home supporters or dispirited visitors except for Fiona? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9151 Registered: 4-2010 |
Were they home supporters or dispirited visitors except for Fiona? All six were home supporters. | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4846 Registered: 12-2000 |
Did Fiona have a vested interest in the result of the match? I guess you don't take bets or anything, but did she have a boyfriend on the team? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9158 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did Fiona have a vested interest in the result of the match? No I guess you don't take bets or anything, I'd assume the same, but in college, you never know... but did she have a boyfriend on the team? Assume no | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 460 Registered: 9-2010 |
Are any of them cheerleaders? "Superfans"? Chest-painters? Relevant where in the Student section they are? At UConn, the enthusiasm of the student section fans dissipates as you get further from court level, and I'd assume it would be the same at Elon. Is this correct? Relevant? If where they are matters, would it help to know where the student section at the Elon football stadium is? Is it behind one of the end zones? Relevant which one? Along midfield? At [LTPF list of any positions that I may have forgotten]? is the Layout of the stadium relevant? Is it one level? Two? Do you mind just giving a brief description so I'm not playing 20 questions? Does the student section extend from field level to the top of the stadium? If so, were the six students in the problem sitting near the field? At the top? Somewhere in the middle? Any other part of where they were sitting matter? Ooh - it wasn't one of those games that ESPN pays schools to play at weird times so they can televise it live, is it? Like when Monmouth played Stony Brook in basketball at 6 AM earlier this year? And surprisingly sold out? But then Kent State hosted I forget who at 8 AM and the arena was pretty much dead and empty? Anything along these lines? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9167 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are any of them cheerleaders? No "Superfans"? Yes, DOYD of "superfan" Chest-painters? No Relevant where in the Student section they are? Yes At UConn, the enthusiasm of the student section fans dissipates as you get further from court level, and I'd assume it would be the same at Elon. That is indeed the case Is this correct? Yes Relevant? Yes If where they are matters, would it help to know where the student section at the Elon football stadium is? Is it behind one of the end zones? Relevant which one? Along midfield? At [LTPF list of any positions that I may have forgotten]? is the Layout of the stadium relevant? Is it one level? Two? Do you mind just giving a brief description so I'm not playing 20 questions? Does the student section extend from field level to the top of the stadium? If so, were the six students in the problem sitting near the field? At the top? Somewhere in the middle? Any other part of where they were sitting matter? To help simplify, I'll answer this block in one fell swoop. There isn't officially a single student "section," per se, at Rhodes Stadium (Elon's football field), but the unofficial student sections is one of the two that are at field level at midfield behind the Elon bench (the 50-yard line goes directly between two sections). The six students were all in the front row of this section, right at midfield. I'm going to try and find a stadium map to help give you a better picture. Ooh - it wasn't one of those games that ESPN pays schools to play at weird times so they can televise it live, is it? Like when Monmouth played Stony Brook in basketball at 6 AM earlier this year? And surprisingly sold out? But then Kent State hosted I forget who at 8 AM and the arena was pretty much dead and empty? Anything along these lines? Nope. Although the Elon-Duke game at the start of the season was televised on ESPN3. A lot of people from Elon travelled to that game, including my roommate, but not including me. We lost that one. That entire last line, by the way? Totally irrelevant. If you haven't noticed, I get off on tangents really easily. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9169 Registered: 4-2010 |
This is kind of embarrassing - I can't find a section diagram of the football stadium anywhere on the Elon website. But just some more information - the stadium has two levels, and the "student section" is on the field level. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9170 Registered: 4-2010 |
Check that - I just found a diagram hidden deep in the ticket section. Ignore what I said about the 50-yard line bisecting two sections - it actually cuts the "student section" in half. The section itself is #104. | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 464 Registered: 9-2010 |
Were they all cheering for the entire game? All except Fiona? Were they screaming loudly? Did they get exhausted from the screaming? Ooh - is Fiona a drama major, so she's used to speaking loudly for lengthy periods of time? Or a voice major perhaps? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9183 Registered: 4-2010 |
Were they all cheering for the entire game? Yes All except Fiona? No Were they screaming loudly? Yes Did they get exhausted from the screaming? No Ooh - is Fiona a drama major, so she's used to speaking loudly for lengthy periods of time? Or a voice major perhaps? Irrel and unknown, assume no | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 1758 Registered: 11-2003 |
Is gender relevant here? Could it have been one of the boys that were not tired at the end? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9226 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is gender relevant here? Noish Could it have been one of the boys that were not tired at the end? Had circumstances been different, it could have been. For instance, if I had been in the place of Fiona, I would not have been tired. But this isn't really relevant. | ||
| Lynne (Lynne)
New member Username: Lynne Post Number: 4865 Registered: 12-2000 |
Not sure whether this has been covered - were five standing and Fiona was seated? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9253 Registered: 4-2010 |
Not sure whether this has been covered - were five standing Yesish and Fiona was seated? Noish | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 890 Registered: 8-2005 |
Did Fiona have a better view than the others? i.e. they had to keep moving about to see something? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9261 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did Fiona have a better view than the others? i.e. they had to keep moving about to see something? No - they were all in the front row | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 3226 Registered: 1-2001 |
Were any of them leaning or reclining? Using each other as a means of support? Did any of them perform any specific tasks or feats during the game? I'm thinking of how at some schools the students in the "cheering areas" do push-ups or jumping jacks every time the team scores. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9282 Registered: 4-2010 |
Were any of them leaning or reclining? Yope Using each other as a means of support? Yesish Did any of them perform any specific tasks or feats during the game? YES I'm thinking of how at some schools the students in the "cheering areas" Yes do push-ups or jumping jacks No, but VERY OTRT every time the team scores. Yes | ||
| Martinfg (Martinfg)
New member Username: Martinfg Post Number: 894 Registered: 8-2005 |
Do they raise cards with something written on them? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9313 Registered: 4-2010 |
Do they raise cards with something written on them? No | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9403 Registered: 4-2010 |
RECAP: The six students are attending a football game. Sitting in the front row of the student section, they do something every time the team scores. This something involves physical energy, and through doing this over the course of the game, all six students, except for Fiona, become tired. | ||
| Irader (Irader)
New member Username: Irader Post Number: 10 Registered: 12-2010 |
Are they jumping? Has fiona hoy a leg disability (e.g. broken leg)? | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 2108 Registered: 7-2009 |
Is Fiona the smallest (lightest) one in the group? Do they take turns picking her up? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 491 Registered: 9-2010 |
Mascot relevant? Do they high five the mascot? Do jumping jacks? Imitate a Phoenix (although I don't know exactly how they would do that)? Something related to a Phoenix? Would this work if they were in the front row of the UConn student section (which, if it matters, is behind one of the end zones)? The Texas A&M Student Section (which is the 12th Man and stands for the entire game including timeouts, halftime, etc.) On that subject, does the Elon student section generally stand for the whole game? If so, is this only during action, or would it include timeouts, halftime, etc.? Is this relevant? (UConn, and most schools to my knowledge, will stand during action but not during breaks). Something along the line of the Oregon Ducks mascot doing over 500 pushups in one game because the team scored so many times and he does one pushup after each score for each point they have? Would Fiona have been tired at the end if Elon had won 72-0? Would anyone have been tired at the end if Elon had been shut out? Had only managed a field goal? Do you mind telling us if it was [LTPF List of Elon Home football games]? If so, can we then proceed to look that game up? Could this have happened at any Elon home game this year? Could it have happened at any theoretical Elon home game this year (including shutouts, blowouts, etc. even if those didn't happen) To clarify, the first question is referring to actual Elon home games that actually happened, while the second is referring to whether it could have happened at ANY Elon home game that could theoretically have happened, regardless of whether it actually did. | ||
| Irader (Irader)
New member Username: Irader Post Number: 13 Registered: 12-2010 |
Does fiona do the same things as the rest? | ||
| Irader (Irader)
New member Username: Irader Post Number: 14 Registered: 12-2010 |
Is fiona's seat compared to the rest's relevent? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9413 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are they jumping? No Has fiona hoy a leg disability (e.g. broken leg)? No Is Fiona the smallest (lightest) one in the group? YES Do they take turns No picking her up? YES Mascot relevant? No Do they high five the mascot? No Do jumping jacks? No Imitate a Phoenix (although I don't know exactly how they would do that)? No Something related to a Phoenix? No Would this work if they were in the front row of the UConn student section (which, if it matters, is behind one of the end zones)? Yes The Texas A&M Student Section (which is the 12th Man and stands for the entire game including timeouts, halftime, etc.) Yes On that subject, does the Elon student section generally stand for the whole game? At least for most of it, yes. If so, is this only during action, or would it include timeouts, halftime, etc.? This, but it depends. Is this relevant? No (UConn, and most schools to my knowledge, will stand during action but not during breaks). Something along the line of the Oregon Ducks mascot doing over 500 pushups in one game because the team scored so many times and he does one pushup after each score for each point they have? DEFINITELY something like this!! Would Fiona have been tired at the end if Elon had won 72-0? No Would anyone have been tired at the end if Elon had been shut out? NO Had only managed a field goal? No Do you mind telling us if it was [LTPF List of Elon Home football games]? It was the final one, against Western Carolina. If so, can we then proceed to look that game up? Sure, or I could just tell you: the final score was 45-14, Elon. Could this have happened at any Elon home game this year? It could have, yes. Could it have happened at any theoretical Elon home game this year (including shutouts, blowouts, etc. even if those didn't happen) Well, it couldn't have happened if Elon didn't score many points. To clarify, the first question is referring to actual Elon home games that actually happened, while the second is referring to whether it could have happened at ANY Elon home game that could theoretically have happened, regardless of whether it actually did. Got it - thanks! Does fiona do the same things as the rest? NO Is fiona's seat compared to the rest's relevent? No I think all the pieces are here now - just put it together and we're all set! | ||
| Irader (Irader)
New member Username: Irader Post Number: 22 Registered: 12-2010 |
Evryone Picks fiona up when elon scores, evryone exept fiona get tied. (as fiona isn't picking anyone up) | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 9428 Registered: 4-2010 |
Evryone Picks fiona up when elon scores, evryone exept fiona get tied. (as fiona isn't picking anyone up) Yep, and that means **********SPOILER********** At the Western Carolina game on November 2010, about halfway through the game I noticed that a group of five students in the front row were celebrating Elon scores in an interesting, humorous way: they would pick up a sixth student and lift her in the air the number of times that matched the number of points we had scored. By the time I noticed, we had already scored 35 points, and we would add a field goal and touchdown later; thus, the five students had to lift the sixth in the air a total of 83 more times, in addition to the 105 lifts they had already done in celebration. I figured that the five of them must have been very tired at the end of the game from all that lifting, but the sixth one? Not so tired - she wasn't doing any lifting. I took cell phone videos of the final two sets of lifts (when we had 38 and 45 points, respectively). If I ever figure out how to get them off the phone and onto the computer, I will post them. Excellent work, everyone, for solving this! Bonus bonus points go to Martinfg, Ixoye, Noel, and Gregory, each of whom figured out an important piece of the puzzle, as well as iRader, who put it all together. | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 493 Registered: 9-2010 |
I know with verizon you can send it as a FLIX message to an email address. Just make sure that's included in your plan first. (It counts as a standard video message) |
