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Noel (Noel)
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Posted on Wednesday, December 15, 2010 - 6:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

She broke his heart. If she hadn't been exactly who she was in one regard, she wouldn't have been able to. But because she did, she defeated the purpose of being who she was.

All shes are the same person.
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She: H/A/F? Real person? Fictional? Is this a true story? FYOI? FSEI? Time period and place relevant? If so, LTPF lists of centuries and continents please.
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She: H/A/F? Human Female - yes, Adult - no Real person? yes Fictional? Is this a true story? yes FYOI? FSEI? Time period and place relevant? Only slightly. If so, LTPF lists of centuries and continents please.It was in the 1980s in the US.
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Child? Teenager? Is she you, Noel?
He = Her boyfriend? A friend? Relative?

If relative: Father? Grandfather? Uncle? Nephew? Cousin? (Step- or half- included)
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Child? this one. around age 5. Teenager? Is she you, Noel? yes
He = Her boyfriend? A friend? Relative? this one

If relative: Father? this one Grandfather? Uncle? Nephew? Cousin? (Step- or half- included)
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Is Christmas relevant? Broke his heart...emotionally?
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You broke his heart...as in the saying? Or more literally...broke a heart-shaped object belonging to your father, perhaps?
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Is Christmas relevant? no Broke his heart...emotionally? yes
You broke his heart...as in the saying? yes Or more literally...broke a heart-shaped object belonging to your father, perhaps? no

I should clarify: think along the lines of "strong disappointment," not anything as extreme as the "my life is ruined and I shall never feel again" kind of broken heart.
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Did you break his heart by something you said? Did? Didn't say? Didn't do?
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Did you break his heart by something you said? this one Did? Didn't say? Didn't do?
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"If she hadn't been exactly who she was" - the fact that you were his daughter? Or is it another thing relevant / referenced here?
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"If she hadn't been exactly who she was" - the fact that you were his daughter? it is relevant that I'm his daughter, but... Or is it another thing relevant / referenced here? ..."exactly who she was" references something else
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Your age relevant? Grade? Any childhood interests or hobbies?
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Your age relevant? indirectly Grade? indirectly. It was Kindergarten, I think} Any childhood interests or hobbies? no
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Did you say something about him? Directly to him? About yourself?
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Did you say something about him? no Directly to him? yes About yourself? yesish
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What you said - was it about someone? About something?
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What you said - was it about someone? you mean besides myself (since you already asked if it was about me)? yesish About something? please clarify. Isn't everything about something?
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About something you did? Felt? Thought?
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About something you did? no Felt? yes Thought? and yes
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Did you say that you didn't love him? He didn't love you?
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Did you say that you didn't love him? He didn't love you?
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And I don't love double posting - my bad.
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Did you say that you didn't love him? He didn't love you? no to both
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Had you heard something which prompted the statement? About yourself? About your dad?
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Had you heard something which prompted the statement? yes About yourself? yope About your dad? no
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...About something you did? About something you said?
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...About something you did? About something you said? no to both
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Hint: figure out what is meant by "exactly who she was in one regard"
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"in one regard" - age relevant? Race? Upbringing? Environment? Family life?
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"in one regard" - age relevant? Race? Upbringing? Environment? Family life? No to all
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Is anything specific about you relevant? Your name?
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Is anything specific about you relevant? yes Your name? yes
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Your first name? Last name? A nickname? Or other name you went by? Or go by?
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Your first name? yes Last name? no A nickname? yes Or other name you went by? Or go by? yesish to the last two, with no distinction between past and present
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Is your name actually Noel?
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Is your name actually Noel? no, Carol
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Christmas carols relevant?
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Christmas carols relevant? no
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Did you like your name as a child? Did you want to go by another name?
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Did you like your name as a child? which name? Did you want to go by another name? OTRT
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Your first name? Did you want to use your middle name instead?

Did the name "Carol" have a special meaning to your father?
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Your first name? no Did you want to use your middle name instead? no

Did the name "Carol" have a special meaning to your father? none at all, and that is relevant
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Did your father call you by a different name?
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Did your father call you by a different name? yes
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Did you insist on going by your actual name? Which upset him?
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Did you insist on going by your actual name? well, I insisted on not being called the different name, which kind of left my real name by default Which upset him? yes
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Is it relevant what the different name was? What's left to find out?
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Is it relevant what the different name was? yes, but not the exact name

What's left to find out?
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She broke his heart. Recap: When I was about 5, I disappointed my father by insisting he couldn't call me a certain name anymore, which meant he had to call me by my real name

If she hadn't been exactly who she was in one regard, she wouldn't have been able to. You're very OTRT on this part, but not all the way there yet

But because she did, she defeated the purpose of being who she was. Explain this.
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Had you formerly gone by the different name?

Did your father want to name you [different name]? Was it your mother who named you? Someone else?

The different name - is it the name of some other relevant person? Your mother?

Is the different name a female name?
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Is the name you asked your father not to call you a nickname? Something that isn't a name, name but that he calls you out of affection?

(My father referred to me as "doodlebug", when I was a little girl. It irritated me, lol. Thankfully, he stopped.)
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Had you formerly gone by the different name? Only to my father, sometimes. And probably my mother, too, but I can't remember

Did your father want to name you [different name]? No Was it your mother who named you? No Someone else? yes

The different name - is it the name of some other relevant person? No Your mother?No

Is the different name a female name? yope

Is the name you asked your father not to call you a nickname? yes Something that isn't a name, yope name but that he calls you out of affection? yes, but it isn't the type of name that implies affection

(My father referred to me as "doodlebug", when I was a little girl. It irritated me, lol. Thankfully, he stopped.) cute! But I can see how that would have become irritating at a certain age. But the nickname in this puzzle isn't a cute one like that.
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Did the nickname imply something embarrassing?
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Did the nickname imply something embarrassing? no
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Did the nickname become irritating after a while? Was it always irritating?
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"Doodlebug" was irritating by the time I was eight. He didn't stop until I was thirteen at least. Possibly more like fifteen or sixteen. *sighs*
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Did the nickname become irritating after a while? I don't know if irritating is the right word for it. Maybe offensive? But may mislead. But to answer your question, no, it was not a gradual change. Was it always irritating? no
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Was it always offensive to you?

Do you have any siblings? Relevant? Is anything else about you relevant? About your father? About someone else in your family?
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Was it always offensive to you? no

Do you have any siblings? Relevant? no Is anything else about you relevant? no About your father? yes About someone else in your family? no
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Did the name have special meaning to your father?
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Did the name have special meaning to your father? Do you mean the other name he called me? If so, all you need to know is that he liked it and wanted to call me by it. I don't actually know if there's a specific reason why or if he just liked the way it sounded.
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Did anyone else call you by this name? Begin to call you by this name? And so it got old quick?
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Did anyone else call you by this name? My mom did. But irrel. Begin to call you by this name? And so it got old quick? no to rest

I feel like a RECAP is in order:

When I was about 5, I disappointed my father by insisting he couldn't call me a certain name anymore, which meant he had to call me by my real name.

Nothing about me is relevant but my name, including the nickname my father called me. Something else is relevant about my father.

My real name had no special meaning to my father, but my father had not wanted me to be named a different name. My mother did not name me, someone else did.

The nickname my father called me is yope-ishly a female name. It is not a cute name or a name with any special meaning; my father just liked it. The nickname became offensive to me suddenly, not gradually.
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Did it become offensive because of something you did? Something you liked? Something you said?
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Did it become offensive because of something you did? Something you liked? Something you said? no to all
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Would it help to figure out the actual nickname? Is the nickname an actual word? Does it contain one?
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Would it help to figure out the actual nickname? yope -- not the exact nickname, but the type/source Is the nickname an actual word? no Does it contain one?no
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Did he typically call you this even in public?
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Did he typically call you this even in public? I don't remember, so irrelevant. He called me it sometimes, but not always, which is also irrelevant.
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Did he only call you this at the most embarrassing times?

Did the nickname consist of nonsense syllables?
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Did he only call you this at the most embarrassing times? irrelevant

Did the nickname consist of nonsense syllables? no
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Was the nickname derived from your real name? From his name?
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Was the nickname derived from your real name? yes! From his name?
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Was the nickname in "baby talk"? Were you unable to pronounce your actual name as an infant? So he started calling you that?
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Was the nickname in "baby talk"? Were you unable to pronounce your actual name as an infant? So he started calling you that? no to all
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Did the nickname include your real name? Was the nickname shorter than your real name? Longer?
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Did the nickname include your real name? no Was the nickname shorter than your real name? yes Longer? so no
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Was it just one syllable of your name? "Car-"? "-Rol"?
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Was it just one syllable of your name? no "Car-"? "-Rol"?
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Did the nickname include a part of your real name?
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Did the nickname include a part of your real name? yes
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Did the nickname rhyme? "Care Bear"?
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Did the nickname rhyme? "Care Bear"? no to both.

It may help to completely forget that I am female for this step, to get you away from the cutesy, feminine names and broaden your horizons. Imagine that I was a boy, even. What is one of the most common things to call a boy, involving part of his name, besides his actual first name?
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Er...well, the only boy who's been fairly constant in my life is my cousin Paul Junior, aka P.J., so anything relevant there? first initial-J, for "Junior"? (On a relevantish note, my great-grandmother called my grandfather "Junior" pretty much up until she and my great-grandfather died. My mother's impression of this is hysterical...to approximate, if any of you have had the luck to watch the old tv show "Bewitched", remember Mrs. Kravitz screaming for her husband every time something funny happened at Darrin and Samantha's house and she saw it. "ABNER!!!" Now, replace that with "JUNIOR!!!" in just about the same tone. *falls over laughing*)
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Er...well, the only boy who's been fairly constant in my life is my cousin Paul Junior, aka P.J., so anything relevant there? first initial-J, for "Junior"? (sorry for the repeat, but the actual question wasn't meant to be in italics)
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Er...well, the only boy who's been fairly constant in my life is my cousin Paul Junior, aka P.J., so anything relevant there? Yes! first initial-J yes, for "Junior"? but no
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So it was "C-"something? C-Dog?
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CJ? But the J didn't stand for Junior? Was it for your middle name?
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So it was "C-"something? yes C-Dog? no
CJ? yes But the J didn't stand for Junior? Was it for your middle name? yes

Whew! Ok, so add to the recap that the name my father called me was C.J., after my first and middle initials.

If you're not sure where to go next, I suggest that you take a good look at the recap. You guys have asked some very important questions along the way, and then promptly forgot about them after I answered them.
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Did you meet someone else name CJ? Is anyone else named CJ relevant?
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Did you meet someone else name CJ? yes Is anyone else named CJ relevant? yes
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Did you meet someone else name CJ? yes Is anyone else named CJ relevant? yes Correction/Caveat: while this other CJ is part of the back story, which you are welcome to try to figure out, it is not necessary for solving the puzzle. All you absolutely have to do is explain the puzzle statement, and you don't need to know any more about why the name CJ offended me for me to consider the puzzle solved. You've already figured out the relevant details about the nickname. So you're welcome to continue digging along this line, and I'll continue to answer questions about it, but it won't get you closer to the solution. So I guess the answer to "Is anyone else named CJ relevant" probably should have been "yes, but only tangentially" or something like that.
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Did you begin to associate CJ with something else? Something with those initials?

Did you start to think of CJ as a male name?
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Did you begin to associate CJ with something else? yes Something with those initials? yesish (does a person count as a "something")

Did you start to think of CJ as a male name? yes!
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Did you decide that it was insulting to be called by a male name?
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Did you decide that it was insulting to be called by a male name? Yes, definitely. I got it into my head that CJ was a boy's name, and told my father that he couldn't call me that anymore because I was a girl.
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And he didn't react well, apparently...is how he reacted all that's left to find out?
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And he didn't react well, apparently...is how he reacted all that's left to find out? no. You already know all you need to know about how he reacted, which is disappointed. All you have left to do is explain the puzzle statement. Most of the work you have left is on the third part. You've already scratched the surface of it in a line of questioning that was started but then abandoned.
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Quote: "She broke his heart. If she hadn't been exactly who she was in one regard, she wouldn't have been able to. But because she did, she defeated the purpose of being who she was."

"She broke his heart." ~ you, Noel, disappointed your father by not wanting to be called C.J., which is a boy's name (or looks like one).

"If she hadn't been exactly who she was in one regard, she wouldn't have been able to." ~ If you weren't his daughter, he wouldn't have cared what you thought of the nickname.

"But because she did, she defeated the purpose of being who she was." ~...? Hmm...
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"She broke his heart." ~ you, Noel, disappointed your father by not wanting to be called C.J., which is a boy's name (or looks like one). well, it's not a boy's name, but I thought it was because I met another CJ who was a boy.

"If she hadn't been exactly who she was in one regard, she wouldn't have been able to." ~ If you weren't his daughter, he wouldn't have cared what you thought of the nickname no. I mean, that's true, but me being his daughter is not what this part refers to.

"But because she did, she defeated the purpose of being who she was." ~...? Hmm... hmm indeed. and now we reach the lateral part of the puzzle...
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Did you use the name CJ elsewhere?
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Did you use the name CJ elsewhere? irrelevant
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"Who she was" - were you always close to your dad?
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"Who she was" - were you always close to your dad? No. Nothing like this. You've already identified it...see your/my posts around January 4-5.
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Is your name the only thing relevant to the "who she was" part? Is it relevant at all to that part?
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Is your name the only thing relevant to the "who she was" part? yes Is it relevant at all to that part? so yes
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updated puzzle statement:

When I was 5, I strongly disappointed my father by telling him he couldn't call me his preferred nickname for me, which was simply my first and middle initials. If I hadn't had my name, then I couldn't have disappointed him in that way. *But because I did, I defeated the purpose of being who I was.*

explain the starred part, and you've got it solved. The starred part is what I would consider to be the lateral part.



Updated RECAP:

The updated puzzle statement plus:

Nothing is relevant about me except my name/nickname.

Something else is relevant about my father.

My real name had no special meaning to my father, but my father had not wanted me to be named a different name.

My mother did not name me, someone else did.

(Also known, but irrelevant: the reason I refused to be called CJ anymore was because a new boy came to school with the name CJ, so I thought it was a boy's name. My parents were the only people to call me CJ, and it was only occasionally/affectionately.)
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Do we need to figure out why your father did not want you to be named a different name?
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Do we need to figure out why your father did not want you to be named a different name? yes
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Was it because of the person who named you? Was that person a friend? Relative? Acquaintance? Complete stranger?
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Was it because of the person who named you? I'm not entirely sure I understand this question. Was that person a friend? Relative? this Acquaintance? Complete stranger?
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Putting Balin's questions together, so Balin, tell me if I'm wrong:
"Do we need to figure out why your father did not want you to be named a different name? Was it because of the person who named you?"

I'm thinking that Balin means something along the line of, "Did your father feel something relevant about the person who named you, that we need to figure out" or something...
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"Did your father feel something relevant about the person who named you, that we need to figure out" no
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Any other people relevant?
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Any other people relevant? no
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So, just to clarify, which of the following people are relevant:

You
Your father
Your mother
The person who named you
?
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"But because I did"--did have that particular name? or did refuse to be called by your initials?

You defeated the "purpose" of having that name (i.e., the intent of the person who named you)? or the purpose of caring about what name or nickname you were called?

Both are unclear from the way the starred statement reads.

And to clarify something else--your father was disappointed because he could not use "CJ" anymore? or because he had to say your real name instead?
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So, just to clarify, which of the following people are relevant:

You yes, but you know everything you need to know about me
Your father yes
Your mother no
The person who named you yes
?

"But because I did"--did have that particular name? or did refuse to be called by your initials? This one. In the original puzzle statement, "because she did" referred to "broke his heart,"

You defeated the "purpose" of having that name (i.e., the intent of the person who named you)? this one or the purpose of caring about what name or nickname you were called?

And to clarify something else--your father was disappointed because he could not use "CJ" anymore? this one or because he had to say your real name instead?
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Person who named you - a relative? A family friend?
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ho named you - a relative? this one A family friend?
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Relative - H? A? F? An aunt? Uncle? Niece? Nephew? Sibling? Grandparent? Great-aunt? Great-uncle? Great-grandparent?
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Relative - H? yes A? yes F? No

An aunt? Uncle? Niece? Nephew? Sibling? Grandparent? Great-aunt? Great-uncle? Great-grandparent? none of the above
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Cousin?
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Cousin? no
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Half- or step- any of the above?
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Half- or step- any of the above? no
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Godparents/siblings relevant?
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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 3:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Any in-law to your natural relatives?
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Godparents/siblings relevant? no
Any in-law to your natural relatives? hmmm...*technically* yes, but that would be a bizarre way to describe this person
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Was the relative H? A? M? Married to an in-law?
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Was the relative H? A? M? yes to all Married to an in-law? Married to a family member who is technically exactly as much an in-law to my natural relatives as he is, which is to say, technically yes, but...
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In your family, have any pairs of siblings married other pairs of siblings? (i.e. let's say your father's brother, your natural uncle, married your mother's sister, your natural aunt, and then they would be both your natural relatives and in-laws to each other. Or it could be father's sister/mother's brother, as well. By the way, when one set of siblings marries another set of siblings, their children are double first cousins to each other. And when one set of identical twins marries a second set of identical twins, their children are as genetically related as full siblings...*pauses and looks around* Me? Genealogy freak? Of course not...hehe....)
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In your family, have any pairs of siblings married other pairs of siblings? all very interesting and entertaining...but irrelevant
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ok, so you've determined that I was named by:
An adult male relative
but not:
grandfather, uncle, cousin, nephew, brother, step-anything, or great-anything. (Also, you're best off not thinking about in-laws, in spite of my complicated answer to your complicated question.)
Who's left?
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Please tell me we didn't take this line of thought about 8 million posts without asking this...I can't remember anyway:

Did your father name you?
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Please tell me we didn't take this line of thought about 8 million posts without asking this...I can't remember anyway: well...I wish I could, but...

Did your father name you? yes!

and to think I was worried that you would figure this part out too fast! =)
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and on the in-laws thing - I really struggled with how to answer that question, because you asked if he was an in-law to any of my natural relatives, and the answer is technically yes (because he's an in-law to my uncles, aunts, and grandparents on my mother's side), but of course no one would refer to him that way in relation to me
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Posted on Sunday, February 06, 2011 - 12:49 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

*face. palm.*

Did your father prefer the nickname to the given name? Did he think you didn't want to be called by your given name anymore?
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Did your father prefer the nickname to the given name? yes Did he think you didn't want to be called by your given name anymore? no, and irrel
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Hmmm...I've got some thoughts, but am not sure exactly how to word them.

Is "the purpose of being who she was" related to the fact that your father named you?
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Is "the purpose of being who she was" related to the fact that your father named you? yes
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Would he have been as upset had he not named you?
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Would he have been as upset had he not named you? I don't think so, but I don't know
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Hmm... I think we had all assumed it wasn't your father, since he was the one who didn't want to use your real name.

So did he choose your first and middle names simply so that your initials would be CJ? so he could call you that?
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So did he choose your first and middle names simply so that your initials would be CJ? so he could call you that? YES!!!

Whew, it's finally time for the ***SPOILER****

When I was young, my parents called me CJ as an affectionate nickname. But during Kindergarten, a new boy moved to school who went by CJ. I went home, and insisted that my parents couldn't call me CJ anymore, because it was a boy's name. My father was very sad and disappointed about this, but I held firm.

Years later, I found out that the reason he was so disappointed was that he had been the one to name me, and he chose my name for the sole reason that he had always wanted to have a child he could call CJ. My real first and last names had absolutely no meaning to him, even though he had chosen them.


BTW, I remained steadfast about prohibiting the use of CJ throughout elementary school (and I think even into middle school). But sometime in high school, CJ started creeping back into usage by both of my parents (especially my dad), and this time I embraced it, even to the point that it's now often the name I use for video games as well as the way I sign most emails I send to my family. So I guess there's a happy ending =).

Thank you to everyone who stuck with this, and thanks especially to Biograd for putting this puzzle out of its misery!
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Wow, great story!

And of course the answer was so simple...
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There's a female character on The West Wing named CJ. So it's not just for boys after all.

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