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Biograd (Biograd)
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If that's the case, shouldn't we pronounce it differently?

By the way, my spider puzzle (Behind The Times) above has not seen any new posts in a long time.
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Are you talking about one single word?
An English word?
Did you think it was etymologically related to another word and in fact, it isn't?
Did you think it came from a foreign laguage? Latin? Greek? French? A different one?
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Are you talking about one single word? Yes
An English word? Yes
Did you think it was etymologically related to another word and in fact, it isn't? Yope or yesish
Did you think it came from a foreign language? Latin? Greek? French? A different one? No, it was obvious that it comes from other English word(s)
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Is the word an acronym? A backronym?
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Is the word an acronym? A backronym? No to both
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Is it a noun? verb? adjective? adverb? preposition? name? other?
Is it the pronunciation of a vowel? a consonant? a syllable?
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Is it a noun? verb? adjective?This adverb? preposition? name? other?
Is it the pronunciation of a vowel? a consonant? a syllable?That I suggest should be pronounced differently? In that case, a consonant.
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B? C? D? F? G? H? J? K? L? M? N? P? Q? R? S? T? V? W? X? (Y?) Z?
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? ? Wynn (which doesn't render on this forum)?

(Just in case; we don't know that this is Modern English. Then again, maybe I'm crazy.)
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B? C? D? F? G? H? J? K? L? M? N? P? Q? R? S?This. Though this line of questioning will almost definitely not lead to the word. T? V? W? X? (Y?) Z?

? ? Wynn No to all.
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Is the S pronounced as a soft S? A hard S?
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I can't find good definitions of what a soft and hard S sound like, but it is pronounced like the S in "soft" itself. From the etymology, it seems like it would be more logically pronounced like a Z, as at the end of plurals.
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Does this word derive from another word? A noun? A verb?
Is it an adjective that ends in -sy?
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(generally, soft S = S sound, like the end of "cats"; hard s = Z sound, like the end of "cheeseburgers" ;-) -- basically, you got it)

The reason you think it should be pronounced differently -- is it just the etymology? or something suggested by the word itself (like "soft" sounding soft)?

Any of this relevant: the noun form of the root word? the historical context of when it came into use?

What category of adjective is it:
quantity/number? size? time? age? temperature? shape? distance/position (e.g. high, low, near, far)? material? feeling/quality? color? nationality/origin? qualifier (like flying squirrel, sleeping bag, or pine tree)?
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Whoops, forgot one question...

Is it an eponymous adjective (derived from a name)?
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Does this word derive from another word?In fact, two. A noun? One of them is a noun. A verb? No
Is it an adjective that ends in -sy?No

The reason you think it should be pronounced differently -- is it just the etymology?Yes or something suggested by the word itself (like "soft" sounding soft)? No

Any of this relevant: the noun form of the root word?Yope or yesish. It's hard to understand what you're asking. the historical context of when it came into use? No

What category of adjective is it:
quantity/number? size? time? age? temperature? shape? distance/position (e.g. high, low, near, far)? material? feeling/quality? I'd say this, Though you may have a FA about what kind of noun it is used to describe. color? nationality/origin? qualifier (like flying squirrel, sleeping bag, or pine tree)?

Is it an eponymous adjective (derived from a name)?No
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Is it used to describe a concrete noun? Abstract noun? Proper noun?
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Is it used to describe a concrete noun? Abstract noun?This, always. At least I can't think of a case where it wouldn't. Proper noun?
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Is it used for describing a feeling? A touch? A sight? A sound? A taste? A scent?
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Is it used for describing a feeling? A touch? A sight? A sound? A taste? A scent? Almost definitely none of these.
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Is it used to describe something metaphysical? God? the soul?

Is the s sound at the beginning of the word? In the middle? At the end? Does the same s sound exist in the noun that it's derived from?
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Is it used to describe something metaphysical? God? the soul? No to all.

Is the s sound at the beginning of the word? In the middle?This At the end? Does the same s sound exist in the noun that it's derived from? Yes, the noun is plural (in the correct etymology, not in my scrund)
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Is it used to describe a concept? An idea? A thought?
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Is it a noun that does not have a singular form?
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Is it used to describe a concept?This An idea? A thought?

In particular, it describes an action or process, in the sense of "harrowing" in "harrowing journey" or "invigorating" in "invigorating exercise".

Is it a noun that does not have a singular form?No, in fact the scrund involved the singular form.
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And just to clarify, the scrund did not involve not knowing the correct singular form. It involved the singular form being part of the origin of the longer adjective.
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Does the word have the suffix "-ing" at the end?
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Does the word have the suffix "-ing" at the end?Yes
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Is the word hyphenated?
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Is the word hyphenated?No
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Is the word considered to mean something pleasant? Unpleasant?
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Is the word considered to mean something pleasant? Unpleasant? I'd lean toward unpleasant. But "difficult" is more like it.
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Tantalizing?
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Tantalizing?No, not only would I definitely call that pleasant, but it has no S in it.
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It does across the pond...they have no use for 'z's. Or zeds, as they call them, though I don't know why they bother to have a separate name for a letter even Shakespeare informed us they don't like.
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Excruciating? (Nope, no S in that one either...)

Would I use the word to describe how I'm feeling about this puzzle right now?
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Would I use the word to describe how I'm feeling about this puzzle right now? Possibly about the kind of effort you are making to piece together the solution, I don't know.
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And just so we're clear, the Americanized version of the word has the S in it, right (as opposed to a Z w/the British S)?
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And just so we're clear, the Americanized version of the word has the S in it, right (as opposed to a Z w/the British S)? Yes, all forms have an S. A Z would make no sense, since as I said, it derives from a plural noun that is contained within the word. The "izing/ising" suffix has nothing to do with this.
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Does the relevant S in the word come from the plural noun? Is that the only S in the word?
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Does the relevant S in the word come from the plural noun? Is that the only S in the word? Yes to both. But keep in mind that in my scrund, I assumed that it came from a singular noun, and that the S came from elsewhere.
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Does the word end in "-sing"?
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Does the word end in "-sing"?No, the noun comes first. So the word looks like "_____s_____ing", where the "_____s" is the plural noun. Don't take the length of the blanks to mean anything, though.
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Hang on...I have an idea, but the word escapes me. Crud.
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If you can approximately define the word, I'll tell you if you're right, and if you are, I will fill in some letters to help jog your memory. Though it's not that unusual of a word, so I'd find it rather unlikely you'd think OF the word without remembering it.

Or if you wish to try and identify the nature of the scrund, you can illustrate your guesses with blanks. Remember I have told you that the true etymology is "_____s-_____ing", where I have put a hyphen after the plural noun to indicate that it's a plural noun + another word.
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Well, I can't think of the word in question either (will try some more though), but I think I might be able to identify the nature of the scrund.

Is it, for example, like if carspooling (cars-pooling) was a word, and you would think it would be pronounced /carz pooling/ but instead it's pronounced like /car spooling/?
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Is it, for example, like if carspooling (cars-pooling) was a word, and you would think it would be pronounced /carz pooling/ but instead it's pronounced like /car spooling/?

YES, exactly. I mentally parsed the word as being a singular noun, followed by a word beginning with S, for exactly the reason you mentioned in your example. Now if someone can guess the word...

Probably the biggest hint is my reply to Balin on Friday, January 14, 2011 - 4:38 am.
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ooh ooh! I think I thought of it! Balin, you've done a lot of work here... mind if I throw my guess out there, or do you still want to think of it?
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Kalira, it's all yours.
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Painstaking?
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Painstaking?Yes. There's a nice little discussion on the page that cured my scrund, here:

http://eggcorns.lascribe.net/english/345/pain-staking/

For those not in the know, eggcorns are a particular type of verbal scrund.

******************SPOILER********************
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Huh! I had that scrund too, up until...right now.

And that wasn't even the word I was thinking of.

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