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Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - 11:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well, it's been a while, so I figured the easiest way to jump back into the proceedings is with a new puzzle!

A psychiatrist was noticing that one of her patients, who was generally a calm and even person, would occasionally break out into bouts of anger and even rage. She spent weeks trying to find the underlying cause of this aggression. Finally, she went to the store, spent around five dollars, and the problem was greatly alleviated. What did she buy, and why did it help?
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Was the patient HAM?

Was the rage directed at anything? or anyone in particular? or just randomly at the world?

Did the rage have a logical cause, in the sense that the patient was understandably enraged at something in his or her life? or did it have a biological cause, such as a reaction to a drug or a physical sensation?
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Welcome back, ISH!! Glad to see you around again!

Did the psychiatrist buy something common? Something found in most stores? A food item? Drink? Clothing?

Is it relevant what type of store it was? Was it a grocery store? Bookstore? Hardware store? Convenience store? General store? Sporting goods store?
Did she kill the patient?
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Glasses? Poison? Food? Medication? A book? On how to control your rage? Or was it one of those stress squeezey thingies that you squeeze when you're mad so you don't go into a fit of rage.
Can we call the psychiatrist Dr. Philippa? If the patient is HAM can we call him Lukisho? And if he is HAF can we call her Shanaynay?
Did Dr. Phillippa intend to alleviate the problem? By greatly alleviating the problem did she:
stop the bursts of rage alltogether?
Reduce their frequency?
Reduce their intensity?
Kill the patient?
Render him physically incapable of exhibiting bursts of rage?

During the rage bursts, did Lukisho/Shanaynay:
Scream?
Kick?
Hit?
Use other physical violence?
Bite?
Exhibit regressive behavior such as soiling him/herself?
Curse?
Swear?
Self-mutilate?
Did he exhibit these behaviors towards Dr. Phillippa? Towards any other relevant person? Any relevant thing? Was that person/thing present? Was it a family member of Shanaynay/Lukisho? A friend of him/her/it? A pet? An animal?
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Was the patient HAM? HAF, actually, but gender is irrelevant

Was the rage directed at anything? or anyone in particular? or just randomly at the world? a mixture of these at different times

Did the rage have a logical cause, in the sense that the patient was understandably enraged at something in his or her life? no
or did it have a biological cause, such as a reaction to a drug or a physical sensation? yes

Welcome back, ISH!! Glad to see you around again! Thanks!

Did the psychiatrist buy something common? Yes
Something found in most stores? Well, I don't know about most, but definitely a lot
A food item? Drink? Clothing? No to all

Is it relevant what type of store it was? NoWas it a grocery store? Could be
Bookstore? Probably not, but maybe
Hardware store? Probably not
Convenience store? Could be
General store? Could be
Sporting goods store? Probably not
Did she kill the patient? Ha, no.

Glasses? Poison? Food? Medication? A book? On how to control your rage? Or was it one of those stress squeezey thingies that you squeeze when you're mad so you don't go into a fit of rage. None of these

Can we call the psychiatrist Dr. Philippa? No. Just kidding, sure
If the patient is HAM can we call him Lukisho? And if he is HAF can we call her Shanaynay? Ha, if you wish.
Did Dr. Phillippa intend to alleviate the problem? Yes
By greatly alleviating the problem did she:
stop the bursts of rage alltogether?
Reduce their frequency? This
Reduce their intensity?
Kill the patient?
Render him physically incapable of exhibiting bursts of rage? No to rest

During the rage bursts, did Lukisho/Shanaynay:
Scream? This, mostly
Kick?
Hit?
Use other physical violence?
Bite? Could be some of these, but wasn't excessively violent
Exhibit regressive behavior such as soiling him/herself? Probably not
Curse?
Swear? Could be these
Self-mutilate? Probably not
Did he exhibit these behaviors towards Dr. Phillippa? While in conversation with her, anyway
Towards any other relevant person? Any relevant thing? Was that person/thing present? Was it a family member of Shanaynay/Lukisho? A friend of him/her/it? A pet? An animal? Not directed at anything in particular
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Was the cause of the patient's rage relevant to a habit of hers? Something she did often? Did she have regular contact with this drug? Nicotine? Alcohol?
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Did the patient's rage happen in more or less regular intervals? If so: once a week? once a two weeks? once a month?
The "thing" that caused the rage was: part of the therapy? applied by patient alone to herself? irrelevant both of patient and psychiatrist?
The item bought was: a toy? a stationery? a cosmetic?
The item bought was commonly used: in household? at school? in the office? in outdoor works/activities?
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Was the cause of the patient's rage relevant to a habit of hers? Something she did often? Did she have regular contact with this drug? Nicotine? Alcohol? No to all, and I should have clarified...yes to biological, no to drugs
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You missed Redwine's questions...

Did she give the item she bought to the patient?
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You missed Redwine's questions... So I did!

Did the patient's rage happen in more or less regular intervals? Yes-ish
If so: once a week? Maybe once a week to once every two weeks. Not really sure. once a two weeks? once a month?
The "thing" that caused the rage was: part of the therapy? no
applied by patient alone to herself? no
irrelevant both of patient and psychiatrist? not sure what this means. Please rephrase
The item bought was: a toy? a stationery? this a cosmetic?
The item bought was commonly used: in household? at school? in the office? all of these three
in outdoor works/activities? maybe sometimes

Did she give the item she bought to the patient? no!
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ISH! *huggles* *gives ISH a Kaseburger* ISH guess what, Kaseburg is the capital of Germany in Gregory Coke Land :-D
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Did she buy a card? Paper?
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ISH! *huggles* *gives ISH a Kaseburger* ISH guess what, Kaseburg is the capital of Germany in Gregory Coke Land :-D haha, wow. Good to "see" you again, Kaylee!

Did she buy a card? No Paper? No, but OTRT
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Envelope? Missed you lots, ISH!!!
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Envelope? Nope, not made of paper at all
Missed you lots, ISH!!! Thanks, missed being on here with you all as well!
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Was it made of some paperlike material? Cardboard? Styrofoam? Wood? Rags?
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Trying to rephrase my question... I realized that I used a wrong word, sorry
Was the thing that caused the rage independent both of patient and the psychiatrist (for example like physiological needs)?
Did the psychiatrist buy something people write/draw on paper with? If so: pencil? pen? crayons?
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Was it made of some paperlike material? no Cardboard? Styrofoam? Wood? Rags? no to all

Was the thing that caused the rage independent both of patient and the psychiatrist (for example like physiological needs)? no-ish
Did the psychiatrist buy something people write/draw on paper with? If so: pencil? pen? This! crayons?
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The psychiatrist bought a pen because she didn't have any and wanted to write/draw something? Or because of specific features of the pen, which caused that any pen normally used by her wouldn't work?
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The psychiatrist bought a pen because she didn't have any and wanted to write/draw something? no
Or because of specific features of the pen, which caused that any pen normally used by her wouldn't work? this, with a slight ish
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Did the psychiatrist need the pen as a whole? or only a part of it? Did she use it as people normally use pens? or other way?
The cause of rage: was it dependent on psychiatrist? was it dependent on patient? Was someone else involved?
Does the regularity of rage attacks have something to do with an event/incident that happens with same regularity?
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Did the psychiatrist need the pen as a whole? Yes
or only a part of it? Did she use it as people normally use pens? Yes or other way?
The cause of rage: was it dependent on psychiatrist? Yes-ish was it dependent on patient? and yope
Was someone else involved? no
Does the regularity of rage attacks have something to do with an event/incident that happens with same regularity? Yes, although I'm only somewhat guessing at the frequency (this is a true story, by the way)
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Did she write something down?

Was it a relevant type of pen? Ballpoint pen? Fountain pen? Quill pen?
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Did she write something down? What she wrote with it is irrelevant

Was it a relevant type of pen? yes-ish
Ballpoint pen? this Fountain pen? Quill pen?
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Was it a Bic pen? Relevant exactly what type it was? Was it disposable?
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Was it a Bic pen? Could have been
Relevant exactly what type it was? Not exactly, but... Was it disposable? no, or maybe
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Did she draw something? Did she use any other items than the pen?
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Is the pure act of writing what caused the improvement?
Was the patient at home or in hospital? Relevant?
Would any other writing instrument than a pen also work?
Any physical feature of the pen relevant? If so: size? colour? design?
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Did she draw something? no Did she use any other items than the pen? perhaps, but FA

Is the pure act of writing what caused the improvement? no
Was the patient at home or in hospital? One correction: the doctor is really more of a counseling psychologist than a psychiatrist. I wasn't aware of the difference. They were in her office. Relevant? Not particularly.
Would any other writing instrument than a pen also work? Many others would, yes
Any physical feature of the pen relevant? Not of the ones she bought...
If so: size? colour? design? This is relevant
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Is there any other pen involved?
Did the rage attacks happened during therapy/consultances in doctor's office?
Was the rage caused by the doctor's own pen, which her patient actually couldn't stand for some reason? And changing a pen simply solved the problem?
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FA = that she used the pen? Did she not use the pen? Did she give it as a gift to the patient?
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Is there any other pen involved? well, yes-ish, see below
Did the rage attacks happened during therapy/consultances in doctor's office? yes
Was the rage caused by the doctor's own pen, which her patient actually couldn't stand for some reason? YES!
And changing a pen simply solved the problem? exactly!

FA = that she used the pen? Did she not use the pen? Did she give it as a gift to the patient? no, the FA was in regards to the thought that the use of the new pen was the calming factor, as opposed to the non-use of her other one.
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...Wow, ISH, that's something I'd never have thought of. What's left to figure out?

(want to take a crack at my puzzel, ISH?)
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Is the color of the pen relevant?

Did the doctor's original pen not work?
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Did the doctor's other pen's design involved something that the patient had phobia of? Or something that corresponded with bad memories/bad experiences of the patient?
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...Wow, ISH, that's something I'd never have thought of. What's left to figure out? Why did her other pen cause the anger?

(want to take a crack at my puzzel, ISH?) I'll take a look!

Is the color of the pen relevant? no

Did the doctor's original pen not work? it did

Did the doctor's other pen's design involved something that the patient had phobia of? not a phobia, no, but definitely OTRT
Or something that corresponded with bad memories/bad experiences of the patient? not this either

If you can figure out the basic details of the pen and what about it caused her to be angry, I'll give you the more detailed psychological explanation.
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Was it something on the pen (like drawings, design)? Or was it something about entire pen (like its shape or colour)?
Was there a drawing on the pen which showed the object that patient is obsessed with?
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Was it something on the pen (like drawings, design)? No
Or was it something about entire pen (like its shape or colour)? Yes, not color, no-ish on shape
Was there a drawing on the pen which showed the object that patient is obsessed with? no
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Did the pen resemble something else?
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Was the patient irritated by the sounds that the pen made? Like clicking? Or scratching?
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Did the pen resemble something else? no

Was the patient irritated by the sounds that the pen made? yes! Like clicking? yes! Or scratching?

I'd say that's pretty well enough for a...

********SPOILER**********

In this true story, my friend (the psychologist) eventually discovered that the client suffered from a rare condition called misophonia, which is an extreme irritation to very specific and usually ordinary sounds.

In this case, my friend used pens with a click-top, and had the habit of clicking them a few times in between writing notes. The client was very bothered by these sounds, but her irritation with it was somewhat subconscious. She would just become angry after hearing the clicking sound (which is exacerbated by general stress).

So my friend chose to use a different kind of pen, and the bouts of anger were much reduced, although there were still other sounds that irritated her, such as when certain diesel trucks would drive by the office. As they treated her condition, she became much more capable of dealing with the other issues she was having.

See the wikipedia article on misophonia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misophonia


Thanks to Redwine and Balin for the legwork, Kaygee for the final detail, and everyone else who participated!
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You know, ISH, I have seizures, and one of my seizure triggers is stress. I know a seizure trigger for some people is certain sounds...I have a friend whose parents had to disable their doorbell when their kids were still living at home, because my friend's older sister has sound-triggered seizures. Every time any kind of bell rang, doorbell or whatever, she'd begin convulsing. :-(

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