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Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Tuesday, January 18, 2011 - 6:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Their perfect plan was ruined by a hinge.
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Did the plan include leaving your name out of the title? :-P

"Their" = H/A/M? H/A/F? 2? More? LTPF list of integers?
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Posted on Tuesday, January 18, 2011 - 6:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Naturally, I forgot my name in the title. Could a mod remedy this please?
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Did the plan include leaving your name out of the title? :-P No; that's only the second time I've done that. Let's hope there's no pattern here.

"Their" = H/A/M? H/A/F? 2? More? LTPF list of integers? 2 people, both HAM.
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Time relevant? Location?
Their ages? education? Relationship? Occupations? Did they want to commit a crime?
Other relevant people in this puzzle? Victims=

Is one of them you?

Hinge - part of a door? A window?

Can we call them Phineas and Ferb?
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Time relevant? Yes Location? Yope
Their ages? Young adults education? Relationship? Occupations? These three are not, but... Did they want to commit a crime? Oh yes
Other relevant people in this puzzle? Yes Victims= Yes, one

Is one of them you? No

Hinge - part of a door? A window? Neither

Can we call them Phineas and Ferb? Sure
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Posted on Tuesday, January 18, 2011 - 7:10 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

[LTPF of continents] and [LTPF of centuries], please.

The victim - H/A/M? F? Anything else relevant about him/her?

The crime - theft? robbery? murder? kidnapping? rape?
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Posted on Tuesday, January 18, 2011 - 7:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

[LTPF of continents] and [LTPF of centuries], please. North America, 20th century

The victim - H/A/M? HTM, I think F? Anything else relevant about him/her? No

The crime - theft? robbery? murder? This kidnapping? rape?
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Relevant why they wanted to kill him?

Is the hinge a physical object? Does it connect two things? Or more like a metaphor?

Did they commit a crime? And were caught later? Or didn't they commit it in the first place?
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Relevant why they wanted to kill him? Yope - see the puzzle statement

Is the hinge a physical object? Yes Does it connect two things? Two parts of one thing Or more like a metaphor? No, it's a physical hinge

Did they commit a crime? Yes And were caught later? Yes Or didn't they commit it in the first place? So no
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Time of a day relevant? If so: morning? noon? afternoon? evening? night?
Is it a true story?
Did their plan involve hinge at all? Or they didn't expect the hinge?
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Time of a day relevant? No If so: morning? noon? afternoon? evening? night? Afternoon, but irrel
Is it a true story? Yes
Did their plan involve hinge at all? Noish Or they didn't expect the hinge? Yopish
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For want of a nail the shoe was lost?
For want of a shoe the horse was lost?
For want of a horse the rider was lost?
For want of a rider the battle was lost?
For want of a battle the kingdom was lost?
And all for the want of a horseshoe nail?
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For want of a nail the shoe was lost?
For want of a shoe the horse was lost?
For want of a horse the rider was lost?
For want of a rider the battle was lost?
For want of a battle the kingdom was lost?
And all for the want of a horseshoe nail? It was, but nails aren't relevant in this puzzle (other than in the title).
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Did the hinge thing show up after the murder had been committed? Did everything went as it was planned with the murder part of the plan? and went worse in the "getting away with it" part of plan?
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Did the hinge thing show up after the murder had been committed? Yes, DOYD of "show up" Did everything went as it was planned with the murder part of the plan? Yesish and went worse in the "getting away with it" part of plan? Yes
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Is the hinge part of a box or case? A weapon? A vehicle?
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Posted on Tuesday, January 18, 2011 - 11:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the hinge part of a box or case? A weapon? A vehicle? No to all
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Is the hinge microscopic? Visible? Larger than a fingernail? A finger? A hand? A breadbox?

Is it made from metal? Wood? something else? Is it man-made?
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Is the hinge microscopic? No, but it's very small Visible? Yes Larger than a fingernail? A finger? A hand? A breadbox? Smaller than all of these

Is it made from metal? This, I think Wood? something else? Is it man-made? Yes
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Did they hide a dead body in something that could be opened by a hinge?
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Did the hinge: move? Break? Make a relevant noise? Did the hinged part fall off? Evidence left at the scene of the crime relevant? Or left somewhere else? Was the hinge on a pocket watch? Or locket? Did the hinged thing belong to the victim? One of the perpetrators? Someone else? Relevant?
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Did the hinge work properly, as the hinge should work? If so: was the plan ruined simply by the presence of the hinge at the time and place? Did the hinge malfunction somehow? If so: was the plan ruined by a malfunction of the hinge?
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Did they hide a dead body in something that could be opened by a hinge? No

Did the hinge: move? No Break? No Make a relevant noise? No Did the hinged part fall off? No Evidence left at the scene of the crime relevant? Very yes Or left somewhere else? Was the hinge on a pocket watch? No but OTRT Or locket? Ditto Did the hinged thing belong to the victim? One of the perpetrators? This! Someone else? Relevant? Very

Did the hinge work properly, as the hinge should work? Yes but irrel If so: was the plan ruined simply by the presence of the hinge at the time and place? Yes, DOYD of "presence" - see above Did the hinge malfunction somehow? No If so: was the plan ruined by a malfunction of the hinge?
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was the hinge on something wearable? a locket? a necklace or bracelet clasp? a piercing of some sort? something bigger? glasses?
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was the hinge on something wearable? Yes... a locket? a necklace or bracelet clasp? a piercing of some sort? something bigger? glasses? ...this!!
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sunglasses? prescription glasses? for reading? far away? bifocals? is that even relevant?

so did the hinge break? ruining their perfect plan somehow?
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sunglasses? prescription glasses? for reading? far away? bifocals? They were just ordinary eyeglasses; whether for near- or farsightedness is irrel is that even relevant?

so did the hinge break? No ruining their perfect plan somehow?
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Well, they were almost just ordinary eyeglasses - I can't say more though, else I give it away, which I may have just done anyway.
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North America: Canada? USA? Mexico? Other parts of N. America?

20th century:
The Edwardian Era?
WWI?
The Roaring Twenties?
The Great Depression?
WWII?
The Fifties?
The Sixties?
The Seventies?
The Eighties?
The Nineties?
Turn of the Millenium?
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North America: Canada? USA? Mexico? Other parts of N. America?

20th century:
The Edwardian Era?
WWI?
The Roaring Twenties?
The Great Depression?
WWII?
The Fifties?
The Sixties?
The Seventies?
The Eighties?
The Nineties?
Turn of the Millenium?

USA, 1920s
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1920?
1921?
1922?
1923?
1924?
1925?
1926?
1927?
1928?
1929?

AL? AK? AZ? AR? CA? CO? CT? DE? FL? GA? HI? ID? IL? IN? IA? KS? KY? LA? ME? MD? MA? MI? MN? MS? MO? MT? NE? NV? NH? NJ? NM? NY? NC? ND? OH? OK? OR? PA? RI? SC? SD? TN? TX? UT? VT? VA? WA? WV? WI? WY?

(And yes, I am perfectly aware that not all of these were states in the 1920's...I just can't remember which ones were not, other than Arizona, Alaska, and Hawaii)
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(oh wait, never mind. *headdesk* Arizona was 1912, so that just leaves Alaska and Hawaii. Sorry, any Arizona residents I offended :-( )
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Cropping list - 1924, Illinois.
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Leopold and Loeb?
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Leopold and Loeb? Yes...

**********SPOILER**********

Nathan Leopold and Richard Loeb were Nietzschean "supermen" who desired to commit a perfect crime. On May 21, 1924, they murdered a 14-year-old boy by bludgeoning him with a chisel and asphyxiating him with a sock, before hiding the body (and pouring hydrochloric acid over it), sending a random note, and disposing of all evidence. However, a policeman found a pair of eyeglasses at the scene with a unique hinge mechanism. Only three people in the Chicago area had that type of hinge on their glasses; one of them was Leopold. That evidence ruined their perfect crime, and eventually led to their arrest and imprisonment.

Nice work, y'all.
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Nice puzzle Balin . Leopold and Loeb is certainly one of the strangest murder cases that I've come across.

The Wiki article that Kaylee linked to does not mention a fact that I'm sure I've read somewhere namely that Bobby Franks was not their prime target and was a classic case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. I'm open to correction on this point as the wiki article suggests that he was the intended victim.

I would loved to have heard Clarence Darrow make his closing arguement. It's supposed to be the most dramatic address ever made in court and I believe he reduced the judge to tears on one occasion.

He was an amazing man.

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