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Posted on Wednesday, January 19, 2011 - 12:04 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

He told us it was impossible, and we proved him wrong.

Kaylee may or may not already know the answer, so she must contact me before posting possible $poylers.
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He = H/A/M? Real? Fictional?

Us = We? H/A/Ms? H/A/Fs? Mixture? 2? More?

(Is it you and me, Tortiesibling? Right now, I'm a very confused kaylee kitteh)
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He = him? If not, same questions for him as for he.

It = a goal? action? object? idea?

Is "us" you and Kaylee? (I'm not sure if this is what Kaylee meant.) Is "he" related to "us"? If so, father? grandfather? uncle? cousin? brother? (Do you have a brother?) son? grandson? nephew? boyfriend? (of course, whether this qualifies as "related" doyd) husband? If not, friend? boss? acquaintance? enemy? frenemy? rival? teacher? God? stranger? other?
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Yeah, that's what I meant Whirligig, and no, we don't have a brother. :-)
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He = H/A/M? yes to all Real? yesFictional? so no

Us = We? yes H/A/Ms? H/A/Fs? adult as in >18 years Mixture? this 2? More? this

(Is it you and me, Tortiesibling? Right now, I'm a very confused kaylee kitteh) nope, you are irrelevant

He = him? yes If not, same questions for him as for he.

It = a goal? this action? and this, as our goal was to do something object? idea?

Is "us" you and Kaylee? (I'm not sure if this is what Kaylee meant.) nope Is "he" related to "us"? no If so, father? grandfather? uncle? cousin? brother? (Do you have a brother?) son? grandson? nephew? boyfriend? (of course, whether this qualifies as "related" doyd) husband? If not, friend? boss? acquaintance? enemy? frenemy? rival? teacher? God? stranger? more this other? person selling what we were buying
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Why I is irrelevant? ;_; :-( *sniff*

Conventions relevant? Fanime? Comic-Con? CostumeCon? YaoiCon? Something else?

Us/We = tortiesibling and zalasibling?
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Why I is irrelevant? ;_; :-( *sniff* because you weren't there, and weren't involved

Conventions relevant? Fanime? Comic-Con? CostumeCon? YaoiCon? none of the above Something else? so this

Us/We = tortiesibling and zalasibling? nope
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BLOOPER! Zala is technically part of the us/we as much as I am, but we are not all of it
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Zalasibling? Is another Nield about to show up on these forums?

Us/We = you (Tortie) and someone else? you and more than one other person? Are you even involved?

Selling: food? clothing? jewelry? perfume? beauty-related? Does having this product help you in any practical way? Is it aesthetic?}
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Actually Zala's not really our sister, she just comes to our house and eats our food. :-)
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Zalasibling? Is another Nield about to show up on these forums? nope, a friend whom lizzie/kaylee now thinks of as a sister

Us/We = you (Tortie) and someone else? you and more than one other person? yes Are you even involved? I am part of the we/us, but I was not there when the "he" was involved, but when he told us this, he directed it at the group as a whole, including those not present.

Selling: food? could be thought of as such, but not for the purposes of why we were buying clothing? jewelry? perfume? beauty-related? Does having this product help you in any practical way? hmmm...it could be practical, if you can afford to keep it Is it aesthetic? no
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Australian White, sibling?
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Australian White, sibling? I may be white, but last time I checked, I am not an aussie (darn). Title not relevant to answer, just relevant to the story in a couple of ways, it will make sense when the puzzle is $poyled
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why iz nawt aussie? o yez becauz i iz nawt eder =P

kay enough with the kitteh for now :-)

is the HAM Robert?
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why iz nawt aussie? o yez becauz i iz nawt eder =P this doesn't deserve an answer

kay enough with the kitteh for now :-) good

is the HAM Robert? nope, this took place before I met him
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Of course, now I'm wondering who Robert is. Your questions make me too curious! :P

So a HAM was trying to sell you something and told you that a certain action/goal would be impossible, and you proved him wrong?

By doing the action? Or simply proving its possibility?

Date/time relevant?

Is the action related to the sold item? Does it involve using said item? Is it using the item for a specific purpose? To a certain extent?
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Robert is a friend of the tortiesibling. Friend, right? =P
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Kaylee/Tortie: With the way things are going, your descendants will only have to come here to find out everything about their ancestry! =)
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Of course, now I'm wondering who Robert is. Your questions make me too curious! :P a good friend of mine

So a HAM was trying to sell you something and told you that a certain action/goal would be impossible, and you proved him wrong? how to answer...We wanted to buy one *specific* thing, but he wanted to sell us something *slightly* different saying that what we wanted to buy wouldn't give us the results we wanted. In reality what he wanted to sell us wouldn't work to get the results in the manner we wished to go about it.

By doing the action? Or simply proving its possibility? By proving it was possible to do with what we wished to purchase. The "action" (really a result) was achievable with what he wished to sell us.

Date/time relevant? nope, although random factoid, it would have worked better in the Spring rather than the Winter when we did it (if I remember correctly)

Is the action related to the sold item? yes Does it involve using said item? the "action" is a specific thing that we were able to get the "item" to do Is it using the item for a specific purpose? To a certain extent?

RECAP: To try and help clarify the answers I have given. A big group of people (mixed genders, most with ages about the same) that includes me and a friend of mine, were trying to achieve a specific goal. The goal was to make a specific type of *item* do something that would normally not be possible (for that type of *item*). (Quick note, there were actually multiple items involved, but only because this helped us compare the results of the experiment. For the purpose of the puzzle, we'll stick to a singular *item*.)The HAM "knew" that this would not be possible and tried to sell us something slightly different from what we wanted, this other item would have done the same thing, but it would defeat the purpose of the experiment. In the end, the experiment worked (as we knew it would since it had been done before), and we got the desired results from the *item* we originally wanted. Thus proving the HAM wrong.
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The "item" - did it require electricity? Manpower? Was it edible? Solid? Liquid?
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The "item" - did it require electricity? nope Manpower? nope Was it edible? can be, but not why we wanted it Solid? mostly Liquid? parts have liquid, and gas as well before it's asked

I think that you guys are making a big FA
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Was the "item" something like a car? Was it a car itself?
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Was the "item" something like a car? Was it a car itself? nothing like a car, by gas I meant things like oxygen, carbon dioxide, methane, and some others

The FA is about the item itself
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Is the "item" natural? Manmade?
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Is the "item" natural? yes Manmade? short answer, no. long answer involves questioning if "breeding" for specific traits count's as "manmade"
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Is the "item" an animal? A kitteh?
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a cheezburger?
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a mouse? for kitteh?
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Is the "item" an animal? it is! A kitteh? it is not

a cheezburger? ...ummm...it could be...but it is usually not the purpose of this specific type of animal, nor the purpose of the experiment

a mouse? no for kitteh?
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Is the animal often found as a pet? On a farm?
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Is the animal often found as a pet? On a farm? this
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iz cow? cows with guns?
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I just got Tom Lehrer stuck in my head, now Dana Lyons?!?

*dum-da-dum-da-da-dum-da-da-da-DUM-DUM, dum-da-da-...* OK, I've gotta stop that.
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iz cow? yup yup, tis a cow cows with guns? luckily no, though I am listening to that song and this one now
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Now, what was the *specific* type (careful of FAs) of "cow" (I will now start using the proper term "cattle" instead so as not to promote further confusion later) we wanted, what did the HAM want to sell us (at the auction yard) instead, and what did we want to do with our cattle? Why would his cattle not have worked for our purposes?
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was this an experiment from your days at Davis? A class project?
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was this an experiment from your days at Davis? A class project? yes to both

I couldn't remember if I had told you about the project, and I didn't want you to just remember it.
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well if you did, I am drawing a blank, sibling. Is the HAM the professor?
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well if you did, I am drawing a blank, sibling. Is the HAM the professor? nope, the professor is the Australian which is the inspiration for the title. The full title would be Australian White Cow, which is a breed of cattle. Although not the one from this project
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oh yes, I remember this professor of yours, you liked his accent :-D

Though I STILL do not remember this particular project...

...sadly, I remember the sheep one, but that's completely irrelevant...
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oh yes, I remember this professor of yours, you liked his accent :-D he was a good professor

Though I STILL do not remember this particular project... good

...sadly, I remember the sheep one, but that's completely irrelevant...very irrelevant
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Were you trying to milk the cow? Ride it?
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Were you trying to milk the cow? we were trying to milk it, but as I said, it's not a cow by proper definition, that's why I said it was cattle. Ride it? nope, but we did halter train it
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calf? heifer? bull? steer?
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calf? heifer? this is what we wanted, and got bull? steer? a cow is what he wanted to sell us

now why didn't he think that we could get milk from the heifers? and how did we accomplish our goal (aka: prove him wrong)?
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he thought they were too young?
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he thought they were too young? nope
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Did he think it was possible to get milk from any heifers?
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Did he think it was possible to get milk from any heifers? nope, he thought it was impossible to get milk from any heifers, and the ones that we wanted would be even more impossible based on his knowledge
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Were your heifers male? And he thought it was impossible to get milk from male cattle?
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Heifers by definition can't be male, Balin =P A heifer is a young cow before she has had her first calf.
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Going by that...(are they still heifers when they're pregnant with the first one, sibling?) is that why he thought getting milk from them was impossible?
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Were your heifers male? And he thought it was impossible to get milk from male cattle? no, but they may as well have been, so OTRT

Going by that...(are they still heifers when they're pregnant with the first one, sibling? I don't think so, but I could be wrong, and it's irrelevant) is that why he thought getting milk from them was impossible? no, they were not pregnant and heifers
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Well, I have no knowledge of cattle or heifers or whatnot. Maybe that's still no excuse, but oh well.
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Posted on Monday, January 24, 2011 - 3:22 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well, I have no knowledge of cattle or heifers or whatnot. Maybe that's still no excuse, but oh well. that is understandable, I'll give you a hint...why would a heifer (one that hasn't had a calf) not be able to become a cow?
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Posted on Monday, January 24, 2011 - 3:25 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Do heifers not have the appropriate milk-giving parts?
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Posted on Monday, January 24, 2011 - 3:45 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Do heifers not have the appropriate milk-giving parts? They do have udders, they're just usually not developed to give milk when they are at the heifer stage.
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Did he think that heifers didn't have udders? Or that their udders were incapable of producing milk?
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Posted on Monday, January 24, 2011 - 4:35 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he think that heifers didn't have udders? nope Or that their udders were incapable of producing milk? yes, the question is why they would not normally produce milk
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Because of their size?
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Because of their size? nope, OTRT
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TYPO!!! I meant OTWT Balin, the udders were small, because they were undeveloped. Why were they undeveloped? and what would be a reason that under normal circumstances they never would develop enough to produce milk?
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Were they neutered?
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Were they neutered? ummm...by definition that would only work if they were male. However, your mind is in the right place. The heifers were indeed sterile. Without being able to get pregnant, milk would not be needed to feed a calf, so the heifers should not have been able to lactate (produce milk) as the man believed.
One last question to answer now, is how did we prove him wrong, and get our heifers to produce milk?
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Massage their udders? feed them special vitamins?

IVF treatments? I don't know...
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Massage their udders? feed them special vitamins? ummm...no to both

IVF treatments? while that may have worked, I'll give you guys a clue, the class was 10 weeks long, and we had them producing milk for at least 4 of them I don't know...obviously
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Did you somehow get them pregnant? Give the heifers something to simulate pregnancy?
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Did you somehow get them pregnant? nope, a full term pregnancy would have been too long anyway Give the heifers something to simulate pregnancy? yes, depending on your definition of "simulate"

and now I think it's time for the
*****SPOILER*****


In my lactation class at Davis we had a whole class project where we purchased some sterile heifers with the intent to make them produce milk.
When a group of representatives went to make the purchase at a stockyard, the man there tried to discourage us from buying cattle that would never produce milk, according to him (and others would think this too). The purchase was made anyway, and the heifers were brought in to a barn on campus that we spruced up for the project.
For about a week we injected the heifers with hormones that basically simulated pregnancy, without any actual calf. The added effect was that they helped develop the mammary gland and tissue. The last injection was of the hormone that would naturally spike during parturition (aka: birthing). This induced lactation and we were able to milk the heifers normally. There yield was definitely much smaller than a "normal" cow, but we still proved the man at the stockyard wrong.
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Posted on Tuesday, January 25, 2011 - 5:53 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

hurrah, sibling! excellent puzzle :-)

BTW, I would never have gotten it just by knowing about it, I don't remember this one at all, lol

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