| Author | Message | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3639 Registered: 9-2009 |
It is the day after I attended a birthday party at a friend's house. I am trying to find the allowable exposure limit for a toxic gas. Why? | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 2338 Registered: 7-2009 |
Did someone at the party intentionally inhale a toxic gas? Unintentionally? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3641 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did someone at the party intentionally inhale a toxic gas? Yope. Unintentionally? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11799 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are fireworks relevant? Other explosives? Was a toxic gas inhaled? Knowingly? Intentionally? Inhaling helium from balloons relevant? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3643 Registered: 9-2009 |
Are fireworks relevant? Other explosives? No to both. Was a toxic gas inhaled? Sort of, DYOD of toxic. Knowingly? Yes. Intentionally? Yes. Inhaling helium from balloons relevant? No. | ||
| Kalira (Kalira)
New member Username: Kalira Post Number: 609 Registered: 2-2009 |
Relevant things: The specific gas? The fact that you were at a party? The fact that you were at a birthday party? The fact that you were at a friend's house? The fact that you were at this specific party? The fact that you were at this specific house? Person for whom party was given? Other people attending the party? Food at the party? or drinks? Games played at the party? Something said at the party? Decorations at the party? Gifts for the person celebrating a birthday? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3644 Registered: 9-2009 |
Relevant things: The specific gas? Yesish - a few other gasses could also work. The fact that you were at a party? Yes. The fact that you were at a birthday party? No. The fact that you were at a friend's house? Yes. The fact that you were at this specific party? No. The fact that you were at this specific house? No. Person for whom party was given? No. Other people attending the party? Yesish. Food at the party? or drinks? No to both. Games played at the party? No. Something said at the party? No. Decorations at the party? No. Gifts for the person celebrating a birthday? No. | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 1488 Registered: 6-2008 |
Were people at the party inhaling nitrous oxide? from balloons? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 376 Registered: 1-2011 |
Did the person/the people who inhaled the gas know that this may be toxic/unhealthy? Did they know what gas it was? Did they know the chemical features of the gas? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3646 Registered: 9-2009 |
Were people at the party inhaling nitrous oxide? from balloons? No. Did the person/the people who inhaled the gas know that this may be toxic/unhealthy? Did they know what gas it was? Yes to both. Did they know the chemical features of the gas? Irr. There's an FA about "the gas". | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 378 Registered: 1-2011 |
Is the toxic gas you're exploring (trying to find the allowable exposure) the same gas that someone inhaled at the party? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3647 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is the toxic gas you're exploring (trying to find the allowable exposure) the same gas that someone inhaled at the party? No. FA cleared. | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 380 Registered: 1-2011 |
Was the gas that someone inhaled at the party toxic? Unhealthy? If not, could it become toxic/unhealthy when mixed with other available substance? With alcohol? Could anyone inhale this gas at any birthday party? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3648 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was the gas that someone inhaled at the party toxic? Unhealthy? This. If not, could it become toxic/unhealthy when mixed with other available substance? With alcohol? Irr. Could anyone inhale this gas at any birthday party? No. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11805 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are the inhaled one and the toxic one similar in composition? Do they have similar characteristics? Was one mistaken for the other? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3653 Registered: 9-2009 |
Are the inhaled one and the toxic one similar in composition? Do they have similar characteristics? Was one mistaken for the other? No to all. | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 392 Registered: 1-2011 |
Is the inhaled gas something (or a part of something) commonly used at birthday parties? Is the inhaled gas something (or a part of something) commonly used in household? Was the inhaled gas deliberately available at the party? Is there a bet involved? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3654 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is the inhaled gas something (or a part of something) commonly used at birthday parties? No. Is the inhaled gas something (or a part of something) commonly used in household? No. Was the inhaled gas deliberately available at the party? Yes. Is there a bet involved? No. | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 396 Registered: 1-2011 |
Was it a host who "brought" the gas to a party? Was the gas there on purpose not conneced with someone inhaling it? Was the inhaling person aware of possible consequences to health? Was it an experiment? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3657 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was it a host who "brought" the gas to a party? No. Was the gas there on purpose not conneced with someone inhaling it? You mean if the gas was for some other purpose than inhalation? No. Was the inhaling person aware of possible consequences to health? Yes. Was it an experiment? No. Hint: "gas" is not the best word here. | ||
| Tortiekitten (Tortiekitten)
New member Username: Tortiekitten Post Number: 209 Registered: 11-2010 |
hmmm, if "gas" is not the best word... gas = smoke? vapor? form of steam? mist? Smoke machines relevant? How about inhalers (like for people with asthma)? hookah? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 399 Registered: 1-2011 |
Do the inhaled substance and the toxic gas you're exploring have something in common? If so: origin? chemical characteristic? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3659 Registered: 9-2009 |
hmmm, if "gas" is not the best word... gas = smoke? This. vapor? form of steam? mist? Smoke machines relevant? How about inhalers (like for people with asthma)? hookah? No to all. Do the inhaled substance and the toxic gas you're exploring have something in common? No. If so: origin? chemical characteristic? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11819 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was something being smoked? Burned? Wood? Was someone smoking? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 402 Registered: 1-2011 |
Do you make your exploration on purpose (as opposed to mere curiosity)? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3661 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was something being smoked? Burned? Wood? Was someone smoking? This. Do you make your exploration on purpose (as opposed to mere curiosity)? Yes. | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 409 Registered: 1-2011 |
Is the toxic gas you're exploring an ingredient of cigarette smoke? A product of mixing cigarette smoke with other substance? Does allowable exposure limit you're trying to find concern humans? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3662 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is the toxic gas you're exploring an ingredient of cigarette smoke? A product of mixing cigarette smoke with other substance? No to all. Does allowable exposure limit you're trying to find concern humans? Yes. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11824 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is it relevant what the smoker was smoking? Cigarettes? Cigars? A pipe? Marijuana? Something else? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3665 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is it relevant what the smoker FA was smoking? Yesish. Cigarettes? This, no to the rest. Cigars? A pipe? Marijuana? Something else? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11835 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was only one person smoking? More than one? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3666 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was only one person smoking? More than one? This. | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 414 Registered: 1-2011 |
Is he toxic gas you're exploring commonly available in household? Would it help to trace the exact substance? Is it, by chance, carbon oxide (CO)? Is your research purely theoretical? Do you do any experiments? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3670 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is he toxic gas you're exploring commonly available in household? No. Would it help to trace the exact substance? Yes. Is it, by chance, carbon oxide (CO)? No. Is your research purely theoretical? No. Do you do any experiments? Yes. | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 423 Registered: 1-2011 |
Is the toxic gas you're exploring organic? Non-organic? Available in nature? Artificial (man-made)? Is the toxic gas you're exploring a product of burning? For the sake of your experiments, did you obtain the gas by yourself? Produced it from chemical substances in the chemical reaction? If the people at the party had smoked marijuana, would you still do the research? Same question if they had smoked pipe? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3671 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is the toxic gas you're exploring organic? Non-organic? This. Available in nature? Artificial (man-made)? This. Is the toxic gas you're exploring a product of burning? No. For the sake of your experiments, did you obtain the gas by yourself? Produced it from chemical substances in the chemical reaction? This. If the people at the party had smoked marijuana, would you still do the research? Assume yes. Same question if they had smoked pipe? Assume yes. | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 425 Registered: 1-2011 |
Did you produce the gas from commonly available material? With commonly available equipment? Or did you do it in laboratory? Could I produce this at home from the ordinary everyday stuff? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3673 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did you produce the gas from commonly available material? Yes. With commonly available equipment? Yes. Or did you do it in laboratory? No. Could I produce this at home from the ordinary everyday stuff? Yes. | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 427 Registered: 1-2011 |
Could you have bought the gas, if you wanted? Is the only way to get the gas - to produce it? Do you perform your experiments on yourself? On other people? On other living organisms? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3677 Registered: 9-2009 |
Could you have bought the gas, if you wanted? No. Is the only way to get the gas - to produce it? No, but easier. Do you perform your experiments on yourself? On other people? On other living organisms? No to all. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11875 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the gas a compound? An element? Can the gas be fatal? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3680 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is the gas a compound? An element? this. Can the gas be fatal? Yes. | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 432 Registered: 1-2011 |
Is the gas helium? hydrogen? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3683 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is the gas helium? hydrogen? No. they are not toxic. | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 1028 Registered: 5-2009 |
Is the gas chlorine? Fluorine? Some element which isn't a gas under normal conditions? As "smoke" is a better word: Is "respirable dust" also a better word? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3689 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is the gas chlorine? This. Fluorine? Some element which isn't a gas under normal conditions? As "smoke" is a better word: Is "respirable dust" also a better word? "Gas" was not the best word for the cigarette smoke. But it's a good word for chlorine gas. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11881 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did someone mix cleaning fluids to create the gas? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3691 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did someone mix cleaning fluids to create the gas? Yes, I did (bleach and hydrochloric acid). | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11890 Registered: 4-2010 |
Had those fluids been combined at the party? Or was there another source of the chlorine gas? Do you need the chlorine gas to fix something? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3695 Registered: 9-2009 |
Had those fluids been combined at the party? No. Or was there another source of the chlorine gas? Other than the fluids I mixed? No. Do you need the chlorine gas to fix something? Yes. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11898 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is any other form of chlorine relevant? Chlorine in a pool? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 439 Registered: 1-2011 |
Relevant that the chlorine substances can be used to disinfection? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3699 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is any other form of chlorine relevant? Chlorine in a pool? No. Relevant that the chlorine substances can be used to disinfection? No, but OTRT. | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 442 Registered: 1-2011 |
At the party, was there any chlorine substance present? Did it mix with something else? Which caused the chlorine gas to extract? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3702 Registered: 9-2009 |
At the party, was there any chlorine substance present? Did it mix with something else? Which caused the chlorine gas to extract? No to all. Everything chlorine-related happened the day after the party. | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 448 Registered: 1-2011 |
Is there something specific to the friend's house, which should be explored? Did the purpose of your research arise at the party? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3704 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is there something specific to the friend's house, which should be explored? Noish. Did the purpose of your research arise at the party? Yes. | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 450 Registered: 1-2011 |
Was the allowable exposure on gases a topic of conversation at the party? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3705 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was the allowable exposure on gases a topic of conversation at the party? No. Remember, cigarette smoking is relevant. | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 689 Registered: 6-2003 |
Did you want to bleach something that got dirty from cigarette smoke? And first you looked up the allowable exposure for chlorine in order not to kill yourself during the process? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 453 Registered: 1-2011 |
Did cigarette smoking provoke a conversation upon unhealthy things? And someone said that bleaching stains or going to pool can be as dangerous? And you decided to check this? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3706 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did you want to bleach No. something that got dirty from cigarette smoke? But yes. And first you looked up the allowable exposure for chlorine in order not to kill yourself during the process? Indeed! Did cigarette smoking provoke a conversation upon unhealthy things? No. And someone said that bleaching stains or going to pool can be as dangerous? No. And you decided to check this? But if someone had said so, I would have researched it. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11931 Registered: 4-2010 |
Were you using the chlorine gas to get the smoke smell out? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 3711 Registered: 9-2009 |
Were you using the chlorine gas to get the smoke smell out? ***SPOILER*** People were smoking inside at the party, so when I got home all my clothes smelled of smoke. I would go on washing most of them, but my thick winter jacket takes days to dry, and I use it every day. I've tried acetic acid fumes to get the smell out one time (the bottle said it would work great), but that just resulted in the jacket smelling sour for days. Chlorine gas breaks down most stuff, including the foul-smelling molecules from the smoke, so I looked up the allowable limit, calculated the amount of ingredients, hung the jacket in a closet, put the mixture in (sub-milliliter quantities to bring 2 cubic meters to the limit) and closed the door. The next day my jacket smelled of chlorine and a bit of smoke. I think if I use a little more gas, it'll clean my jacket overnight. I may also try ozone some time. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11945 Registered: 4-2010 |
I had no idea chlorine gas could work so well as an antiodorizer - nice puzzle! |
