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At least all men seem to think so.
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do women think so?
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Noel:
do women think so? I haven't yet met any woman thinking so
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Is there a real invasion? If so: military invasion? Invasion of insects? Ideas?
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Rbruma:
Is there a real invasion? yope If so: military invasion? yes Invasion of insects? Ideas? no to the rest
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Invasion of privacy? Invasion of a physical space? Invasion of personal space? Of one's own body? Sexuality relevant? Law? Technology? Medicine?
Do men think that something constitutes an invasion, while women don't?
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Galfisk:
Invasion of privacy? Invasion of a physical space? Invasion of personal space? Of one's own body? I - as a woman - would say no to all. I don't know which one men think about, my guess is for first three Sexuality relevant? very slightly and may mislead Law? only that military invasion violates the law Technology? Medicine?
Do men think that something constitutes an invasion, while women don't? it seems so, but there is much more to this
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Going to the bathroom in groups?
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You called it a military invasion - does it apply to armed services? Anything to do with the inclusion of women into military units from which they were previously excluded, such as submarine crews?
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Balin:
Going to the bathroom in groups? no

Jenburdoo:
You called it a military invasion - does it apply to armed services? only in that military invasion is relevant, performed by armed forces Anything to do with the inclusion of women into military units from which they were previously excluded, such as submarine crews? nothing along these lines, sorry.
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If the armed forces were female, would women be calling it an invasion? Would men? Military bases in foreign countries relevant? Armed conflict? Is a certain branch of the military relevant? Such as the navy?
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Galfisk:
If the armed forces were female, would women be calling it an invasion? Would men? as to the part of the puzzle, where armed forces are concerned, nobody doubts the invasion. Military bases in foreign countries relevant? no Armed conflict? yes Is a certain branch of the military relevant? no Such as the navy? so no

I'm afraid this line of thinking is OTWT...
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Do men think that "something" constitutes a military invasion? Or is equal in some way to a military invasion? While the women do not? Is "something" an: action? Situation? Object? Something historical?
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GalFisk:
Do men think that "something" constitutes a military no invasion? Or is equal in some way to a military no invasion? the rest is correct While the women do not? yes Is "something" an: action? between this Situation? and this Object? Something historical? this is also relevant - but not in the context above
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So the invasion is not a military invasion, correct? Does it involve the military at all?
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Balin:
So the invasion is not a military invasion, correct? Does it involve the military at all? there is a military invasion involved.

HINT: Exploring the context of a puzzle statement would be of much help
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A specific military invasion involved? If so, LTPF lists of years and continents.
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JenBurdoo:
A specific military invasion involved? yes If so, LTPF lists of years and continents. Europe, 1939
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List of military invasions in 1939 Europe:
- German annexion of the Memel region
- Hungarian annexion of the Carpatho-Ukraine
- Italian invasion in Albania
- German invasion in Czechoslovakia
- German invasion in Poland
- Soviet invasion in Finland
Is any of them relevant?
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Sundowner:
List of military invasions in 1939 Europe:
- German annexion of the Memel region
- Hungarian annexion of the Carpatho-Ukraine
- Italian invasion in Albania
- German invasion in Czechoslovakia
- German invasion in Poland
- Soviet invasion in Finland
Is any of them relevant? none, sorry. But you've mentioned both relevant countries.
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Do all the men seem to "think so"? Only those in the relevant countries? Only a subset of men? If so: profession relevant? Education?

Do all the women seem not to "think so"? Only those in the relevant countries? Only a subset of women? If so: profession relevant? Education?

Men seem to think that something represents an invasion (not in the military sense), however a military invasion is relevant, correct?

Any individuals relevant? Language relevant? Is relevant that armies are composed in vast majority of men? If they were all females, would they think the same? Would the women?
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Rbruma:
Do all the men seem to "think so"? all I met in the context - the context is still unknown Only those in the relevant countries? see above. I meet personally mostly Polish men Only a subset of men? If so: profession relevant? Education? to the extent they need to know the basics about the relevant military invasion, no to the rest

Do all the women seem not to "think so"? none that I met in the context Only those in the relevant countries? Only a subset of women? If so: profession relevant? Education? same answers as to men

Men seem to think that something represents an invasion (not in the military sense), however a military invasion is relevant, correct? yes

Any individuals relevant? yes, but this track may lead nowhere Language relevant? no Is relevant that armies are composed in vast majority of men? no If they were all females, would they think the same? I think so Would the women? ditto

These questions were hard to answer, because the puzzle sentence is set in a very particular context, which you haven't explored yet.
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Immigration relevant? Is the current invasion done by people? If so, people physically moving from one place to another?
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GalFisk:
Immigration relevant? no Is the current invasion done by people? yope - if we regard it as invasion... If so, people physically moving from one place to another? no
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Any current military battles relevant?
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Do men outside of the context think so?
Do women?

Is the context a professional setting?
Is it a network or group of people with something in common?

Is Poland the invader country? Or the invaded one?
Is the other country the Soviet Union? The Slovak Republic?
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The invasion of the Red Army into Poland relevant?
Is the idea that some would not regard this an invasion? because at this moment Poland was already more or less defeated? so one could argue that they merely occupied territory, rather than invade a country?
Is the idea that only the first one is actually an invader? and the others merely followers?
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Balin:
Any current military battles relevant? no

Larru:
Do men outside of the context think so? I don't know, but it's possible
Do women? ditto

Is the context a professional setting? not at all
Is it a network or group of people with something in common? not really, maybe only having met me personally

Is Poland the invader country? Or the invaded one? this
Is the other country the Soviet Union? this The Slovak Republic?

Sundowner:
The invasion of the Red Army into Poland relevant? yes
Is the idea that some would not regard this an invasion? because at this moment Poland was already more or less defeated? so one could argue that they merely occupied territory, rather than invade a country? no, only one fact about the Soviet invasion in eastern Poland is relevant to the puzzle
Is the idea that only the first one is actually an invader? and the others merely followers? see above
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Is there a logical reason why men but not women consider the action/situation an invasion? Jealousy relevant? Do the women consider it something else, that the men do not? Do they think it's good? While the men think it's bad? Culture relevant? Influence from foreign culture?
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GalFisk
Is there a logical reason why men but not women consider the action/situation an invasion? I guess it's just a different approach. In fact it's what the puzzle is about. Maybe after it's solved you will be able to tell me what the reason is :-) Jealousy relevant? no Do the women consider it something else, that the men do not? I think so Do they think it's good? I think it's good,assume yes While the men think it's bad? at least they pretend it's bad Culture relevant? no Influence from foreign culture? no
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Gender stereotypes relevant? Do you live in Poland? Relevant? Is the action-situation done-caused by people? By Russians? Are object(s) involved? Import? Export? Weather? Is the time of year relevant? Is the thing a one time event? Or something that has been going on for a while? If so: hours? days? Months? Years? Is it still going on?
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GalFisk:
Gender stereotypes relevant? assume yes Do you live in Poland? yes Relevant? not to the stereotypes, but to the context - yes Is the action-situation done-caused by people? yes By Russians? no Are object(s) involved? assume no Import? Export? no to both Weather? yes Is the time of year relevant? yes Is the thing a one time event? the action, yes Or something that has been going on for a while? the situation, yope If so: hours? days? Months? Years? usually this Is it still going on? NO - explore

Very good set of questions!
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Did the action occur only once in a repeating situation?
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Balin:
Did the action occur only once in a repeating situation? no, the situation is a common living situation, usually it's not repeating. Maybe I don't understand the question properly.
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Is the situation specific to one person? To certain people? Or can it happen to everyone?
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Balin:
Is the situation specific to one person? To certain people? Or can it happen to everyone? thisish
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Is the action done as a response to weather? Is the situation caused by the weather? Is snow involved? Rain? Ice? Roads?
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GalFisk:
Is the action done as a response to weather? no Is the situation caused by the weather? no Is snow involved? Rain? Ice? Roads? nothing of these, sorry
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Is a specific weather phenomenon relevant? Is the typical weather at a certain time of year relevant? the time of year: spring? Summer? Fall? Winter? Women's rights relevant? Did people cause the situation to end? Did weather cause it to end? Drought relevant? Floods? Other natural disasters?
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GalFisk:
Is a specific weather phenomenon relevant? no Is the typical weather at a certain time of year relevant? yes the time of year: spring? Summer? Fall? this Winter? Women's rights relevant? no Did people cause the situation to end? no Did weather cause it to end? no Drought relevant? Floods? Other natural disasters none of these, sorry
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Leaves falling relevant?
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Marriage relevant? Do the Polish women (Polish men?) prefer to marry during autumn?
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Balin:
Leaves falling relevant? no

Sundowner:
Marriage relevant? YES! Do the Polish women (Polish men?) prefer to marry during autumn? at least many of them (of us?) do
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Is the marriage as such regarded as an invasion?
or the fact that Polish women prefer to marry during autumn?
Is there a relevant reason why they prefer autumn? tax reasons? lower prices for honeymoon trip?
Is there basically a tradition to marry during autumn? is this tradition still alive?
Has it to do with the amount of work on a farm during summer and during winter? ("The stupid girl marries in May, the smart girl in October")
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Sundowner:
Is the marriage as such regarded as an invasion? YES, now - the question is: what situation caused me to make such a statement?
or the fact that Polish women prefer to marry during autumn? maybe not necesarily prefer, but in Poland it's popular season to marry
Is there a relevant reason why they prefer autumn? yes tax reasons? lower prices for honeymoon trip? but none of these
Is there basically a tradition to marry during autumn? sort of, it's considered lucky to marry in a month which has "R" in it's name, and in Poland it applies to both september and october, but it's not the only reason is this tradition still alive? yes
Has it to do with the amount of work on a farm during summer and during winter? ("The stupid girl marries in May, the smart girl in October") no
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Have most men abandoned this tradition? Do they no longer think of autumn marriage as lucky?
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Balin:
Have most men abandoned this tradition? Do they no longer think of autumn marriage as lucky? no
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Has it to do with the woman taking on the husband's name? so, invading his family?
Did it become more common in the last years that both keep their surname after marriage?
Is there something else special about September and October we need to explore? (as also August and March have an "R")
Is anything more relevant about the Soviet invasion other than it took place in autumn?
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Sundowner:
Has it to do with the woman taking on the husband's name? so, invading his family? no
Did it become more common in the last years that both keep their surname after marriage? nothing about this is relevant
Is there something else special about September and October we need to explore? (as also August and March have an "R")And also June and December have "R":-) See below
Is anything more relevant about the Soviet invasion other than it took place in autumn? That's the relevant thing. As you know the connection, I will save you googling - the Soviet invasion took place on September 17th
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As I will be off till Sunday evening, here goes the...
RECAP:
A situation, yet unknown, resulted in making the statement, that all men seem to consider marriage as invasion.
You discovered the relevant elements as follows:
- the statement considers men met by me in the situation
- many women in Poland want to get married in September/October due to magic "R" and something connected with autumn
- the Soviet invasion in Poland took place on September 17th and this is all what is relevant about it to the puzzle;
- weather is relevant.

No more searching and knowledge about Poland, invasion or wedding traditions is needed to solve the puzzle.

So please tell me, what situation provoked the puzzle sentence?
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You're engaged - relevant? Is your fiance relevant? Did he spark the puzzle statement?
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Is duration of a pregnancy relevant?
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Balin:
You're engaged - relevant? yes, although the situation could have happened to anybody Is your fiance relevant? same answer as above Did he spark the puzzle statement? not only he, but OTRT

Larru:
Is duration of a pregnancy relevant? no
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Are falling leaves relevant? The leaves changing color relevant?

The Soviets were considered "red," and leaves can turn red - relevant?
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Balin:
Are falling leaves relevant? The leaves changing color relevant?
no to both
The Soviets were considered "red," and leaves can turn red - relevant? no
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CLARIFICATION: The puzzle situation could have happened to anybody in the time when one is engaged. There is nothing personal about me to be known.
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Is there a time when most/all men would prefer to get married?
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Balin:
Is there a time when most/all men would prefer to get married? no - the puzzle situation leads to statement that they don't want to get married at all.
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Do the men still want to "play the field," so to say?
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Balin:
Do the men still want to "play the field," so to say? I don't know. It's not relevant
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HINT: Find on what ocassion I could have made the puzzle statement
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Would you make the puzzle statement in front of men? Women? During the "R" months? During the "non-R" months?
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Balin:
Would you make the puzzle statement in front of men? yes Women? yes During the "R" months? irrelevant During the "non-R" months? irrelevant
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Did you suggest him to marry on September 17 ?
to which he responded "is this going to be an invasion"?
Relevant that September 17 is a Saturday this year? (civil offices do not work on Saturdays .. do they?)
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Sundowner:
Did you suggest him to marry on September 17 ? yesish - we both chose it as the most convenient date
to which he responded "is this going to be an invasion"? something along these lines, yes
Relevant that September 17 is a Saturday this year? yes (civil offices do not work on Saturdays .. do they?) but churches work very well :-)
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Is the projected weather on September 17 relevant? The weather during the Soviet invasion? Current weather in Poland?
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Balin:
Is the projected weather on September 17 relevant? the weather in September in general. It's usually warm and sunny here in second half of September. The weather during the Soviet invasion? no Current weather in Poland? also no
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Would men rather be outside on a warm and sunny day? And not inside, even if getting married?
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Is there some other event scheduled for Sept 17 this year? a sporting event?
Is Sept 17 the only "nice" date for marriage this year? Do you expect a lot of wedding ceremonies taking place this day? in the same church?
Will friends/relatives of you also marry on this date? (or his friend, his relatives?)
Did your parents/ancestors marry on September 17?
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Balin:
Would men rather be outside on a warm and sunny day? And not inside, even if getting married? irrelevant

Sundowner:
Is there some other event scheduled for Sept 17 this year? a sporting event? no to both
Is Sept 17 the only "nice" date for marriage this year? no, it has to be Saturday, for weather reasons we wanted second half of September. We wanted Sept 24 in fact, but we didn't like available hours on that day Do you expect a lot of wedding ceremonies taking place this day? in the same church? so no
Will friends/relatives of you also marry on this date? (or his friend, his relatives?) see below
Did your parents/ancestors marry on September 17? both my and his parents married in the second half of September
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the story is quite complete now. Me and my fiance wanted to marry in the second half of September and for many reasons, the most convenient date was Sept 17. This is also the date of Soviet invasion on Poland in 1939. But this coincidence isn't enough for me to generalize that: all men consider marriage as invasion. So what happened to make me state that ironic sentence?

By the way, on Monday I met one and only one so far man not "thinking so". Guess what, he also got married on Sept 17 :-)
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Do most couples marry around the same time?
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Balin:
Do most couples marry around the same time? no
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Was it something someone said to you? Said to some other people? A comment on an event? Or did you just witness some behavior?
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Rbruma:
Was it something someone slight FA said to you? yes Said to some other people? also this A comment on an event? YES! Or did you just witness some behavior? nothing besides the comment
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Was the comment made: in front of some friends/relatives? To a larger group (like in a church or at a conference)? In front of a crowd? Was it heard on the radio? On the TV?

The FA about someone: were there more than one?

The event: a historical event? a wedding? a weather phenomenon?
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Rbruma:
Was the comment made: in front of some friends/relatives? yes To a larger group (like in a church or at a conference)? no In front of a crowd? Was it heard on the radio? On the TV?no to the rest

The FA about someone: were there more than one? YES and that's important - but...

The event: a historical event? a wedding? thisish a weather phenomenon?
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So, the comment was made by more than one people... At the same event? Simultaneously? At different events? Relevant the number of people doing the comments?

I assume by more than one, you mean different people, not the same person in different situations, correct? Was the comment identical in all situations?
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Rbruma:
So, the comment was made by more than one people... At the same event? Simultaneously? At different events? different people (although having something in common - HINT), different times and locations but very similar event Relevant the number of people doing the comments? no

I assume by more than one, you mean different people, not the same person in different situations, correct? absolutely correct Was the comment identical in all situations? YES! at least very similar
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Were all the persons making comments: H? A? M? Was their role in the event that made them have something in common (for example: godfathers? grooms?)
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Rbruma:
Were all the persons making comments: H? A? M? YES! - of course women also made comments, but not the relevant ones Was their role in the event that made them have something in common (for example: godfathers? grooms?) yes - they all will be invited
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Did they all have the same role in the wedding? Did they have a role in the wedding at all?
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Balin:
Did they all have the same role in the wedding? Did they have a role in the wedding at all? no - they just know about it
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Do the men feel as if they have a choice in selecting the wedding date?
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Balin:
Do the men feel as if they have a choice in selecting the wedding date? I don't know. Anyway, it was not the subject of the comments
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They all will be invited to... a future event? Another wedding?
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Rbruma:
They all will be invited to... a future event? Another wedding?
They all will be invited to our wedding, Sept 17. I was sure it's already clear...
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Could the "invasion" comment potentially apply to other weddings?
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Balin:
Could the "invasion" comment potentially apply to other weddings? yes - under the condition that the wedding is on the date of any invasion
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Do they think that the wedding date was chosen because of the invasion?
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Balin:
Do they think that the wedding date was chosen because of the invasion? no, but...
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I'm circling the answer, aren't I?

Would they rather not get married on an "invasion date"?
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Balin:
I'm circling the answer, aren't I? It seems so, you're asking about everything around...

Would they rather not get married on an "invasion date"? only the coincidence of wedding date and invasion date is relevant

HINT: The comments were always made when we announced wedding date to friends and family
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Did they make the connection to the actual invasion?
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Was it something like: "We'll get married on Sept 17th!", to which all the males present said or agreed to a phrase like: "You'll get invaded, Sam!" (I'm using Sam instead of you fiance real name)?

Something along these lines?
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Balin:
Did they make the connection to the actual invasion? YES
Rbruma:
Was it something like: "We'll get married on Sept 17th!", to which all the males present said or agreed to a phrase like: "You'll get invaded, Sam!" (I'm using Sam instead of you fiance real name)? YES!

Something along these lines?

******SPOILER******
My fiance and me are going to get married on Sept 17. Due to weather and family reasons we wanted the second part of September, but we didn't like available hours on Sept 24. As soon as we went out of the church (from fixing the date visit), my fiance said "Significant date for marriage, isn't it?" Then I realized the coincidence of our wedding date with anniversary of Soviet invasion in Poland. When we announced the date to my family, my father's and my brother's first words were: "Meaningful date for marriage, no more freedom". And till today, when we announce the date to a woman, she refers to beautiful September weather - but every single man notices first the date coincidence.

Thanks to everybody who played, especially Balin and Rbruma for the solve.
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"No more freedom" - of course. The subject of almost every marriage joke.

Nice puzzle - hope your wedding goes well!
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Nice puzzle Redwine. At least the Soviets left after a while :-)

All the best for your upcoming wedding!

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