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When Lilaria's supervisor gave her a grueling assignment on short notice, she could have done it but didn't want to. A clever strategy enabled her to avoid it without lying or harming her career. How come?
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Did it get done? Did she get someone else to do it? Would she have worked alone on the task? Is her profession relevant? Grueling: requiring lots of physical effort? Mental effort? Stress? Resources? Relevant how closely she is supervised? Was the task in her job description?
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Did someone else do it? Or did it not get done at all?
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Did it get done? probablyDid she get someone else to do it? no Would she have worked alone on the task? yes Is her profession relevant? yes Grueling: requiring lots of physical effort? noMental effort? yes Stress? yesResources? possibly Relevant how closely she is supervised? yes Was the task in her job description? yes
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Did someone else do it? probablyOr did it not get done at all? probably not
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Was this a one-time task? Or did it occur repeatedly?

Did she claim some sort of disability? That the task was against her beliefs?
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Did the supervisor know she didn't do the task? If so, did he care? If not, would he have cared if she had known? Is her supervisor male? Relevant?
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And by she I mean he. Apparently the next question was already in my brain messing up my typing.
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Was this a one-time task? Or did it occur repeatedly?could be either

Did she claim some sort of disability no That the task was against her beliefs? no
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Did the supervisor know she didn't do the task? yope If so, did he care? yes If not, would he have cared if she had known? Is her supervisor male? irrel Relevant? no
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And by she I mean he. Apparently the next question was already in my brain messing up my typing.
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Her profession:

Profession:
Artistic? Musical?
Agriculture? Hunter? Fisherman?
Banking? Financial? Real estate?
Clerical? Administrative? Receptionist?
Computer related? Hardware? Information technology?
Construction? Craftsman?
Criminal? Jailbird?
Education? Academic Research?
Entertainment? Media?
Executive? Management?
Hospitality? Travel? Food Service?
Law enforcement? Police?
Legal Services?
Manufacturing? Distributions?
Medical? Health Services?
Politics? Government? Military?
Sales? Marketing? Tradesman?
Religion?
Retired person? Occupational disease?
Sports?
Student? Trainee?
Teaching? Child care?
Technical? Science? Engineering?
Transportation?
Unemployed?
Writer? Editor? Translator? Interpreter?
Other?
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Is the task relevant?
Is her reason for not wanting to do it relevant?

Is frequency of supervision relevant? If so, is she supervised on an hourly, daily, weekly or monthly basis?
Is she supervised by more than one person?

Did she continue to work with that supervisor?
Or did she change departments or jobs, or quit, or otherwise terminate that supervision?
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Her profession:

Profession: She's a lawyer
Artistic? Musical?
Agriculture? Hunter? Fisherman?
Banking? Financial? Real estate?
Clerical? Administrative? Receptionist?
Computer related? Hardware? Information technology?
Construction? Craftsman?
Criminal? Jailbird?
Education? Academic Research?
Entertainment? Media?
Executive? Management?
Hospitality? Travel? Food Service?
Law enforcement? Police?
Legal Services?
Manufacturing? Distributions?
Medical? Health Services?
Politics? Government? Military?
Sales? Marketing? Tradesman?
Religion?
Retired person? Occupational disease?
Sports?
Student? Trainee?
Teaching? Child care?
Technical? Science? Engineering?
Transportation?
Unemployed?
Writer? Editor? Translator? Interpreter?
Other?
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Is the task relevant? somewhat
Is her reason for not wanting to do it relevant? ditto

Is frequency of supervision relevant? yesIf so, is she supervised on an hourly, daily, weekly or monthly basis? irregularly
Is she supervised by more than one person? probably

Did she continue to work with that supervisor? yes
Or did she change departments or jobs, or quit, or otherwise terminate that supervision? no
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Is her task related to a certain case? A certain client?
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Is her task related to a certain case? possibly A certain client? ditto
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Is it relevant if she holds a private position (e.g., law office) or a public one (e.g., prosecutor)?

Ok, so she's supervised irregularly. But frequency is important. Do we need to find out more about this? If so, is it that she may have a surprise supervision at any time?

Has she performed the task in the past? For the same client or same type of case? Is it reasonable to expect she will perform it in the future?

Is her reason for not wanting to perform the task related to her physical well-being (e.g., she's tired, she has a headache)? Her career advancement (e.g., it will not look too good on her resumé)? Her personal life (e.g., she has a date)? Her relationship with someone? If so, the client? One of her colleagues? Someone from her personal life?
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Is it relevant if she holds a private position (e.g., law office) or a public one (e.g., prosecutor)?She probably works for a big, high-powered private firm

Ok, so she's supervised irregularly. But frequency is important. Do we need to find out more about this? yesIf so, is it that she may have a surprise supervision at any time? no

Has she performed the task in the past? irrel For the same client or same type of case? \
b{ irrel}Is it reasonable to expect she will perform it in the future? yes

Is her reason for not wanting to perform the task related to her physical well-being (e.g., she's tired, she has a headache)? possibly Her career advancement (e.g., it will not look too good on her resumé)? no Her personal life (e.g., she has a date)? possibly Her relationship with someone? possibly If so, the client? no One of her colleagues? no Someone from her personal life? possibly
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Ok, is she usually supervised every month?
Was she still being supervised after she was assigned the task? Did she ask for a different assignment? From another supervisor?

Did the task involve leaving her office? Writing something? Talking to someone?

Is the type of law she practices relevant?
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Ok, is she usually supervised every month? probably more often than that, depending on just what you mean by "supervised"
Was she still being supervised after she was assigned the task? yes Did she ask for a different assignment? no From another supervisor? no

Did the task involve leaving her office? Writing something? Talking to someone? all are irrel

Is the type of law she practices relevant? yes--she's probably an associate in a high-powered law firm, as we've established
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By type of law, I meant tax, family, criminal etc. Relevant?

Just what I mean by supervise:
- online definition: "To have the charge and direction of; superintend, overlook, oversee."
- is her supervisor someone she sees or talks to every day? every week? (about work? different things?) someone who's based elsewhere or with her?
- does it involve her reporting on her assignments directly to her supervisor? or just that he can check up on her?
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By type of law, I meant tax, family, criminal etc. Relevant? No, just as long as she works for a big, high-powered law firm

Just what I mean by supervise:
- online definition: "To have the charge and direction of; superintend, overlook, oversee."
- is her supervisor someone she sees or talks to every day? noevery week?maybe probably less often (about work? yes different things? irrel) someone who's based elsewhere or with her? At the sort of law firm where she works, lots of partners can give assignments to lots of associates. They are usually based on the same office but don't know one another well
- does it involve her reporting on her assignments directly to her supervisor? or just that he can check up on her? could be either, but see above
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Did Lilaria's clever strategy involve saying something? doing something? performing something once? performing something repeatedly?

Did she use something granted to her by the law as an excuse?

Did the task involve making researches? meeting with client(s)? preparing legal papers for client(s)? Writing draft contracts?

Is Lilaria supervised by one person only?
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Did Lilaria's clever strategy involve saying something? yesdoing something? yes performing something once? yes performing something repeatedly? no

Did she use something granted to her by the law as an excuse? no

Did the task involve making researches?possibly meeting with client(s)?no preparing legal papers for client(s)? possibly Writing draft contracts? no

Is Lilaria supervised by one person only? no
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Relevant how much time she must have spent to do the task?

Could the situation happen if she was an associate in small lawyer's office? Same question if she was supervised by only one person?

Do all partners of the firm know the present assignments of all the associates? Relevant?
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Relevant how much time she must have spent to do the task? yes

Could the situation happen if she was an associate in small lawyer's office? noSame question if she was supervised by only one person? yes

Do all partners of the firm know the present assignments of all the associates? no Relevant? yes
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Woult the task take: minutes? Hours? days? Weeks? Months? Years? Does she make it appear that: she is doing the task? Someone else is? Nobody is? Does she create confusion or doubt about who is actually doing the task? Will someone else get blamed if the task isn't done? Will she get credit if it is? Will her supervisor think she did it? Did she trick anyone? Would it harm her career if her supervisor knew what she did?
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Did she get another assignment from another partner? Did she use it as an excuse for not doing the unwanted task?
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Woult the task take: minutes? Hours? days? Weeks? Months? Years? hours Does she make it appear that: she is doing the task? no Someone else is? noNobody is? yes Does she create confusion or doubt about who is actually doing the task? no Will someone else get blamed if the task isn't done? possiblyWill she get credit if it is?no Will her supervisor think she did it? no Did she trick anyone? no Would it harm her career if her supervisor knew what she did? yes
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Did she get another assignment from another partner? irrel Did she use it as an excuse for not doing the unwanted task? no
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Did she make it seem that she was somehow unable to do the task? that she had a valid reason not do do it? That she could blame someone else for it not being done? That she was missing something needed to get it done?
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Did she make it seem that she was somehow unable to do the task? no that she had a valid reason not do do it? noThat she could blame someone else for it not being done? yesThat she was missing something needed to get it done? no
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did she convince the supervisor that the task did not need to be carried out?

is the identity of the client relevant? or the type of business they are engaged in?
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did she convince the supervisor that the task did not need to be carried out?no

is the identity of the client relevant? no or the type of business they are engaged in? no
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did she claim that she had higher priority work to do?

or that someone more senior wanted her to do something different?
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did she claim that she had higher priority work to do? no

or that someone more senior wanted her to do something different? no
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The someone else who could have been blamed for not doing the task: the partner, who assigned the task himself? other partner? other associate? someone lower than associate? a trainee?
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The someone else who could have been blamed for not doing the task: the partner, who assigned the task himself? other partner? other associate? someone lower than associate? a trainee? another associate
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so she has been given an unpleasant task and she finds a way to avoid doing it? and the task isn't done at all? but another person of her rank will be blamed for this?
does she somehow make the task belong to the other person? make it seem that the other person is the only one who can do it? the only one with the expertise?
does she ask another person to do it? does she ask another person to help?
does she make it seem that she is dependant upon another person for some aspect of the task? and that person does not do their bit? so she cannot complete the task?
is there any other relevant task that she has?
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so she has been given an unpleasant task and she finds a way to avoid doing it? yesand the task isn't done at all? it probably does get done but another person of her rank will be blamed for this? if it doesn't, another person of her rank may get blamed for it, or maybe not, but SHE definitely won't get blamed
does she somehow make the task belong to the other person?yope make it seem that the other person is the only one who can do it? nothe only one with the expertise? no
does she ask another person to do it? no does she ask another person to help? no
does she make it seem that she is dependant upon another person for some aspect of the task? no and that person does not do their bit? noso she cannot complete the task? no
is there any other relevant task that she has? no
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so she both said and did something which resulted in her not having to do the task - did she have to lie? did she falsify some paperwork?
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so she both said and did something which resulted in her not having to do the task yes - did she have to lie? nodid she falsify some paperwork? no
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Is there any other person involved? Is it relevant how partners get known which associate is responsible for which task?

The relevant thing she said, it was said to the one who assigned the task? to other partner? to the associate who may be blamed for not doing the taks? to the other associate?
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Is there any other person involved? yesIs it relevant how partners get known which associate is responsible for which task? yes

The relevant thing she said, it was said to the one who assigned the task? yes to other partner? no to the associate who may be blamed for not doing the taks? no to the other associate? no
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Are the documents of the task signed by responsible associate? Or otherwise marked? Do they have special codes? Does every associate have a commonly accessible list of current tasks?
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Are the documents of the task signed by responsible associate? Or otherwise marked? Do they have special codes? Does every associate have a commonly accessible list of current tasks? all are irrel
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Do the partners get known of tasks assigned to associates: on briefings? from one person who is responsible for keeping them informed? from something they read? from the computer system?
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Do the partners get known of tasks assigned to associates: on briefings? not in the particular situation in this puzzle from one person who is responsible for keeping them informed? dittofrom something they read? ditto from the computer system?ditto You're ORT!!
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did she blame the computer/system for not being able to do the task? for example it had to be allocated to her before she could start work but the system was down?
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did she blame the computer/system for not being able to do the task? no for example it had to be allocated to her before she could start work but the system was down? no
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HINT: Find out the circumstances under which the assignment was given.
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Was she the only associate who was present when the assignment was given?
Was something wrong with the computer system?
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Was she the only associate who was present when the assignment was given?yope or yesish
Was something wrong with the computer system? no
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Was she the only associate who was present and capable of doing the task? The only associate whom the supervisor could find?

Is there anything else that we need to know about her?
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Was she the only associate who was present when the assignment was given?yope or yesish
Was something wrong with the computer system? no
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Was she the only associate who was presentyope and capable of doing the task? noThe only associate whom the supervisor could find? yope

Is there anything else that we need to know about her? No, you just need to know moire about the precise circumstances under which the assignment was given
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HINT: After getting the assignment, the associate asked the partner a question that seemed innocuous. . .until the partner answered it & got a very clever & surprising (& funny) response from the associate.
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I'm sorry, but I am completely lost - could you please recap a bit further?
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Add the following to the puzzle description:Lilaria is an associate in a big law firm. A partner gave her the assignment.She did not do anything dishonest to avoid it. She did something clever & funny.
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Did someone else end up doing the assignment? Was she physically "given" the assignment (like in a giant folder)? Or just told to do a certain task?
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Was she given the assignment in spoken? On writing?
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Did someone else end up doing the assignment? irrelWas she physically "given" the assignment (like in a giant folder)? no Or just told to do a certain task? yes
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Was she given the assignment in spoken? yes but find out more On writing? no
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Was the assignment an only relevant thing in the conversation? Were there any other people present in the room than Lilaria and the partner giving assignment? Should the assignment have been recorded somewhere for other people to know?

As a result of what Lilaria did, did the partner give the assignment to another person? Or did Lilaria give the assignment to another person? Was the assignment given to another person at all?
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did Lilaria offer to supervise someone else doing it so that they would gain experience and she would also gain management experience?
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Was the assignment an only relevant thing in the conversation? yopeWere there any other people present in the room than Lilaria and the partner giving assignment? false assumption!! Should the assignment have been recorded somewhere for other people to know? no

As a result of what Lilaria did, did the partner give the assignment to another person? probably but irrel Or did Lilaria give the assignment to another person no Was the assignment given to another person at all? probably but irrel
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did Lilaria offer to supervise someone else doing it so that they would gain experience and she would also gain management experience? no
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Was the assignment given on the phone?
Did she pretend to be an answering machine so that the boss thought she wasn't there?
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Was the assignment given on the phone? yes!!
Did she pretend to be an answering machine so that the boss thought she wasn't there? no, but you're ORT
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did she ask him who the client was? what the task was? something about how it should be done? something about the time it would take? something about who the job was for? something about money? who would be billed for the work?

did she somehow say she could not do the work? that there was a legal reason she could not do the work? a conflict of interest? was time an issue?

is it relevant where she was when she took the phone call? was she in the office? did she say she was somewhere else? is it relevant that the boss couldn't see here when she was talking to him? did she pretend something?

the thing she asked him - was it something she needed to know in order to be able to get out of the work? did she ask where he was?
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did she ask him who the client was? what the task was? something about how it should be done? something about the time it would take? something about who the job was for? something about money? who would be billed for the work? no to all

did she somehow say she could not do the work? nothat there was a legal reason she could not do the work? no a conflict of interest? nowas time an issue? noish

is it relevant where she was when she took the phone call? yes was she in the office? yes did she say she was somewhere else? nois it relevant that the boss couldn't see here when she was talking to him? YES!!!!! did she pretend something? no

the thing she asked him - was it something she needed to know in order to be able to get out of the work? yes did she ask where he was? no
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Did he call her from his desk phone? His cellphone? Did he call her on her desk phone? Her cell phone? Were the two of them in the same building? Is it important what she was doing when he called her?
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Did he call her from his desk phone?no His cellphone? No. This story is from the 1980', before cell phones, &--HINT--that's VERY important Did he call her on her desk phone? no Her cell phone? no--see above Were the two of them in the same building?no Is it important what she was doing when he called her? yope
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did he call her from his house phone? a pulic phone?

did she keep him talking so that his money ran out before he had time to finish giving her instructios?
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Did he phone her on a central phone of the office, which is randomly answered by anyone in the office and she was the one who happened to answer the phone?

Did he phone the office only once?
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did he call her from his house phone? irrel a pulic phone? ditto

did she keep him talking so that his money ran out before he had time to finish giving her instructios? no
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Did he phone her on a central phone of the office, which is randomly answered by anyone in the office and she was the one who happened to answer the phone? yes

Did he phone the office only once?Only once at the time the situation occurred. (He may have phoned again later.)
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Did he know that it was Lilaria who answered the phone?
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Did he know that it was Lilaria who answered the phone? No! GOOOOOOD QUESTION!! Not the solution should be a SNAP!! I said in a HINT that she asked the partner a question. Guess what it was!!
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Was it something like...
Do you know who I am? (Would be a bit too obvious, wouldn't it?)
Do you know who is in the office?
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Or "Is Lilaria in?"
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Was it something like...
Do you know who I am? yes (Would be a bit too obvious, wouldn't it? you decide)
Do you know who is in the office? see above
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Or "Is Lilaria in?" no

*****SPOILER *************
A partner in a big, high-powered NYC law firm that is notorious for being a sweatshop called the associates' lounge. When Liliaria answered, he gave her a very tedious & time-consuming assignment that would have necessitated her staying up all night. She asked, "Do you know who this is?" "No," said the partner. "Good," said Liliaria, & hung up. This is a true story. In reply to the suggestion that the solution is "too obvious," my wounded pride prompts me to reply,"If it's so obvious, how come it wasn't solved sooner?" as well as, of course, "See my new puzzle at the bottom of the page."
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Nice puzzle!

I didn't mean that the solution was too obvious, but that saying "Do you know who I am?" would be kind of suspicious and obvious - no offense! (: But since it worked out, thumbs up for Lilaria.

This reminds me of the following joke:
100 students are taking an exam. After an hour, the professor tells them to put down their pens and hand in their papers. But one students just continues writing for the next 30 minutes. He then gets up, and the professor says like "You should have handed in the exam half an hour ago, I'll give you an F!", and the students answers: "Do you know who I am?" The professor shakes his head, and the student lifts up the pile somewhere and puts his exam in there (;
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I never heard that version before! The lawyer story is supposedly true, though.
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Very clever! Sorry I missed this one.

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