| Author | Message | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 1928 Registered: 11-2003 |
It seems to take longer than first estimated. | ||
| Pikachizzle (Pikachizzle)
New member Username: Pikachizzle Post Number: 525 Registered: 5-2009 |
Does this miscalculation result in a problem? Longer as in a longer span of time? | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 1929 Registered: 11-2003 |
Does this miscalculation result in a problem? Nope Longer as in a longer span of time? Yes | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11948 Registered: 4-2010 |
"It" - an action? Does "it" only happen once? Repeatedly? | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 1932 Registered: 11-2003 |
"It" - an action? Yope(ish) Does "it" only happen once? I guess Yes would be the least confusing answer, :-) Repeatedly? These were really hard ones to answer, and you'll understand later, lol | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4646 Registered: 5-2003 |
"It" = an event? Occurrence? A regular thing? Location relevant? | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 1934 Registered: 11-2003 |
"It" = an event? Occurrence? A regular thing? No to all, really. Sorry. Location relevant? Not particularly. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 11977 Registered: 4-2010 |
Does the person who makes the estimation also perform the "action-ish"? | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 1936 Registered: 11-2003 |
Does the person who makes the estimation also perform the "action-ish"? Yes, and it's me. | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 474 Registered: 1-2011 |
Is the action-ish already complete? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 10 Registered: 2-2011 |
is it a physical thing? like getting to the top of the mountain? or painting your nails? or mental? like learning a language? or are you waiting for something else to happen? like waiting for the kettle to boil? the bus to arrive? | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 1942 Registered: 11-2003 |
Redwine (Redwine) Is the action-ish already complete? Nope Shez (Shez) is it a physical thing? like getting to the top of the mountain? or painting your nails? No to all or mental? like learning a language? Not this either I'm afraid or are you waiting for something else to happen? This is sort of OTRT like waiting for the kettle to boil? the bus to arrive? But none of these | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 44 Registered: 2-2011 |
waiting for something to grow? waiting for a baby to arrive? is this a thing which occurs all the time? in nature? is there anything anyone can do to speed it up? did a particular person estimate how long it would take? or is this the standard length of time? does it seem to take longer because someone is anxious for it to happen? or to be over? does just one person think it's taking longer than estimated? or a bunch of people? or everyone? | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 1945 Registered: 11-2003 |
waiting for something to grow? waiting for a baby to arrive? No to both is this a thing which occurs all the time? in nature? It doesn't happen in nature, but I guess it is a somewhat common thing that most people will experience at least once during a life time (not necessarily the EXACT same thing, but similar) is there anything anyone can do to speed it up? Speed it up as in making it go quicker than estimated? If so, not really. As in trying to NOT make it take longer than estimated? Well, yes, I guess that would be possible did a particular person estimate how long it would take? Yes, me or is this the standard length of time? 'It' will never have a standard lenght of time, depends on circumstances every time. does it seem to take longer because someone is anxious for it to happen? or to be over? No to both does just one person think it's taking longer than estimated? or a bunch of people? or everyone? It's only relevant for the person making the calculations - me. And it's not something I think, it will take longer. | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 571 Registered: 1-2011 |
Does the action-ish have its stated time, so it cannot go quicker but may take longer? Is it something like building something? It is estimated to end for example in May but finally it's finished in October? It will take months longer? days longer? hours longer? minutes longer? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 107 Registered: 2-2011 |
did you underestimate the length of time because it's the first time for you? does it take you longer because it's the first time you've done the action-ish? if you did it again would you be quicker? would you do it again? | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 1947 Registered: 11-2003 |
Redwine (Redwine) Does the action-ish have its stated time, so it cannot go quicker but may take longer? Not really. I was the one calculating how long it was going to take, based on facts I had available, but... Is it something like building something? Nope It is estimated to end for example in May but finally it's finished in October? No, nothing like that. It was more like 'it will take two months to xx'.. It will take months longer? days longer? hours longer? minutes longer? Probably about a month longer. Shez (Shez) did you underestimate the length of time because it's the first time for you? Well, it was the first time sort of. At least when it comes these very specific circumstances. does it take you longer because it's the first time you've done the action-ish? If you're thinking I was slower because of inexperience, then No if you did it again would you be quicker? No would you do it again? Maybe, but not for a couple of years at least. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12446 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did you perform the action-ish alone? Did the action-ish happen to you? Is it a bodily function? Or "function-ish"? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 647 Registered: 1-2011 |
Is health relevant? School? Construction works? Communication? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 237 Registered: 2-2011 |
was it to do with repeating it until it was right? eg a performance which gets better each time? buying a house? | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 1949 Registered: 11-2003 |
Balin (Balin) Did you perform the action-ish alone? I am the only one involved, but under different cicumstances more than one could be involved. In that case it would have taken less time. Did the action-ish happen to you? Is it a bodily function? Or "function-ish"? No to rest. Redwine (Redwine) Is health relevant? School? Construction works? Communication? No to all Shez (Shez) was it to do with repeating Yes, something is repeated it until it was right? but this isn't it eg a performance which gets better each time? No | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 663 Registered: 1-2011 |
Can one influence its duration? Or one just have to wait until it happens? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 281 Registered: 2-2011 |
is the thing something like a big project where a lot of things have to come together at the right time and in the right order to reach completion? and would some of this involve waiting for other people to do their part? like buying a house? moving house? organising a wedding? putting on a show? | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 1952 Registered: 11-2003 |
Redwine (Redwine) Can one influence its duration? In a way you can, but I cannot see how once it has started, except for making it longer (like I have done) Or one just have to wait until it happens? No, that’s not it. Shez (Shez) is the thing something like a big project where a lot of things have to come together at the right time and in the right order to reach completion? Not this, even though some might consider it a ‘project’ of sorts and would some of this involve waiting for other people to do their part? Nope like buying a house? moving house? organising a wedding? putting on a show? None of these, but buying something is relevant. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12602 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the same thing being purchased each time? Planting a garden? | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 1955 Registered: 11-2003 |
Is the same thing being purchased each time? FA Planting a garden? No | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 1961 Registered: 11-2003 |
I think it's time for a recap on this one. I made calculations for how long a certain thing was going to take, but forgot to consider some important aspects of it. A purchase is relevant for this puzzle. And to clear up the FA in Balin's last set of questions - I only buy once, not on several occasions. But there is something, maybe best described as a consept(?), that applies to this situation. Even though this 'concept' could apply to several situations involving a purchase, it might help you if you determine what I bought. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12620 Registered: 4-2010 |
Do you buy something, then use it over a long period of time? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 317 Registered: 2-2011 |
the thing you bought - man-made? electric? some other form of power? tangible? household item? building materials? artist's materials? stationery? food? software? is it a consumable item - ie you use it once or a certai number of times and then it's finished? or is it somethig you can use indefinitely? | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 1963 Registered: 11-2003 |
Balin (Balin) Do you buy something, then use it over a long period of time? Yes Shez (Shez) the thing you bought - man-made? Yes electric? Yes some other form of power? so No tangible? Yupp household item? Yes building materials? artist's materials? stationery? food? The item itself is not food, but food is sort of relevant software? No to rest is it a consumable item ie you use it once or a certai number of times and then it's finished? No or is it somethig you can use indefinitely? Indefinitely is probably not the right word, but I can't 'use up' the item. It does have a certain life span though. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12634 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is it a pitcher? Some sort of container? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 331 Registered: 2-2011 |
batteries? electric carving knife? food processor? juicer? coffee grinder? cooker? fridge? freezer? | ||
| Fishbones (Fishbones)
New member Username: Fishbones Post Number: 2 Registered: 3-2011 |
Does the concept invovled relate to cooking? Cleaning? The nature of the purchased item? The materials it is made from? Is it a can opener/jar opener? Is the item something that one would traditionally find only in a kitchen? Only in someone's home? | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 1965 Registered: 11-2003 |
Balin (Balin) Is it a pitcher? No Some sort of container? No Shez (Shez) batteries? Nope electric carving knife? No food processor? juicer? coffee grinder? Not this, but.... cooker? fridge? freezer? No to rest Fishbones (Fishbones) Does the concept invovled relate to cooking? Cleaning? The nature of the purchased item? The materials it is made from? No to all, I'm afraid Is it a can opener/jar opener? None of these Is the item something that one would traditionally find only in a kitchen? Yes, and kitchen-like settings Only in someone's home? No, it can easily be found other places as well. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 342 Registered: 2-2011 |
some kind of coffee maker? percolator? filter? espresso maker? was the thing actually to do with making coffee? or cleaning it? | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 1967 Registered: 11-2003 |
some kind of coffee maker? percolator? filter? espresso maker? This, no to rest was the thing actually to do with making coffee? or cleaning it? No to both | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 427 Registered: 8-2001 |
Okay, so an espresso maker. Does your puzzle statement refer to using it? In an everyday sense? First time use? Does one have to "season" an espresso maker? Does your puzzle statement refer to buying it? Receiving it after purchase? | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 1968 Registered: 11-2003 |
Okay, so an espresso maker. Does your puzzle statement refer to using it? This-ish In an everyday sense? Yes First time use? No Does one have to "season" an espresso maker? No Does your puzzle statement refer to buying it? Not to the actual act of purchasing, but something related to the buying process is relevant. Receiving it after purchase? No | ||
| Fishbones (Fishbones)
New member Username: Fishbones Post Number: 12 Registered: 3-2011 |
Does this have anything to do with a warranty? Did it include an expected lifetime on the packaging? Does it have anything to do with the method of purchase? -IE layaway? | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 1969 Registered: 11-2003 |
Does this have anything to do with a warranty? No Did it include an expected lifetime on the packaging? No Does it have anything to do with the method of purchase? Nope -IE layaway? But this is vaguely on the right track, as budgeting/finance is relevant | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 1611 Registered: 6-2008 |
Were you calculating how long until you had enough money to buy an espresso maker? or how long it would take to make up the cost of an espresso maker, given how much you saved on buying espresso? | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 1973 Registered: 11-2003 |
Were you calculating how long until you had enough money to buy an espresso maker? Not this or how long it would take to make up the cost of an espresso maker, given how much you saved on buying espresso? This is spot on! I calculated how long it would take before I had saved the amount I used to pay for the espresso maker buy not buying my daily coffee on my way to the office. So what was wrong with my calculations? | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 1616 Registered: 6-2008 |
Did you not factor in the time value of money, i.e. the cost of the espresso maker would be a one-time payment, but the coffee would be over several months? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 13145 Registered: 4-2010 |
Changing prices of coffee relevant? Of the coffee maker? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 485 Registered: 2-2011 |
did you not factor in the cost of the coffee beans? electricity? running the dishwasher? or had you forgotten to discount the free coffees you were getting through a loyalty card scheme? | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 1974 Registered: 11-2003 |
Biograd (Biograd) Did you not factor in the time value of money, i.e. the cost of the espresso maker would be a one-time payment, but the coffee would be over several months? No, this is not the reason. Balin (Balin) Changing prices of coffee relevant? No so much changing prices, but... Of the coffee maker? No Shez (Shez) did you not factor in the cost of the coffee beans? Well, I did, sort of, but.... You are OTRT, very close actually electricity? running the dishwasher? or had you forgotten to discount the free coffees you were getting through a loyalty card scheme? \b {No to all the rest} | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 529 Registered: 2-2011 |
was it that you had to go out and buy a coffee grinder too? | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 1975 Registered: 11-2003 |
was it that you had to go out and buy a coffee grinder too? Nope, I ask them to grind the beans for me. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 13253 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the cost different if they ground the beans than if you ground them? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 640 Registered: 8-2001 |
Did you forget the price for the coffee filter? Do espresso machines have reusable ones? That you need to buy separately? Quality of your water relevant? | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 1976 Registered: 11-2003 |
Balin (Balin) Was the cost different if they ground the beans than if you ground them? Nope, the price is the same whether they do it or I. Vesica (Vesica) Did you forget the price for the coffee filter? No Do espresso machines have reusable ones? No, they don't have filters as such, just a metal 'cup' with a handle you fill with coffee and attach to the machine That you need to buy separately? So no Quality of your water relevant? Nope | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 13314 Registered: 4-2010 |
Specific types of coffee beans relevant? Different roasts? | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 1977 Registered: 11-2003 |
Specific types of coffee beans relevant? Different roasts? Both of these are somewhat relevant-ish. Not down to exact type of beans etc. But there is something related to various beans, roasts, etc, that played a part in my miscalculation. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 581 Registered: 2-2011 |
is the blend you like more expensive than the one you had used in your calculation? | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 1978 Registered: 11-2003 |
is the blend you like more expensive than the one you had used in your calculation? OTRT again. The spesific price of an individual pack of coffee is not relevant. But I did use more money on coffee than expected. A quick recap to follow. | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 1979 Registered: 11-2003 |
Recap I love coffee and since I live alone I looked into buying an espresso maker, as you can make single cups of coffee with those. While looking through the options (some very expensive I have to say) I found a small one, perfectly fitting my little kitchen, capable of making one or two cups of espresso at a time. And it also had a steamer so I could make cappucinos and lattes. The price was €80. While it is not terrifyingly expensive, it is around a week of groceries for me. So I thought that if I cut out the cappucino I bought every morning on my way in to work, which is €2.50. After a couple of months I would have saved €100, so the machine would then av been paid back, even considering the extra coffee I would use by making my morning coffee myself and the little electricity the machine would use. I did not miscalculate any of these things, and I did stop buying a coffee on my way in to work. However, I forgot to consider something important, something I guess I should have known. It is related to types of coffee, roasts, different tastes, etc. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 13319 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did the espresso maker only work with a certain type of coffee been? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 582 Registered: 2-2011 |
did you like it so much that you started drinking a lot more coffee and so spent more on coffee beans? | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 1980 Registered: 11-2003 |
Balin (Balin) Did the espresso maker only work with a certain type of coffee been? No, I made sure that I bought one that could use a range of different beans, not those with pods or similar. Shez (Shez) did you like it so much that you started drinking a lot more coffee and so spent more on coffee beans? YES! Spot on. ***************SPOILER**************** When I bought my espresso maker, carefully calculating how long it would take me to 'pay' it back by not buying my morning cappucino, I didn't anticipate I would use quite a bit more than I thought on coffee beans as I wanted to try a lot of different types, tastes and roasts. And ended up drinking more coffee than before in the evenings and weekends. Thanks all for playing! | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 3609 Registered: 9-2010 |
Tortie likes Peet's Coffee =) what sort do you like best, Eli? (I don't drink actual coffee, but I do like the Cremes from Starbucks =) ) | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 583 Registered: 2-2011 |
thanks Eli, you had us all going for a long time there! | ||
| Eli (Eli)
New member Username: Eli Post Number: 1981 Registered: 11-2003 |
I'll look for Peet's here to see if I can find it and try it out. At the moment I have totally fallen for an Ethiopian blend from Starbucks. But I've tried, and loved, the Insomnia house blend and a couple of Fairtrade varieties from my local farmers' market. At one stage I think I had three different packs opened on my kitchen counter, felt like a kid in a sweet shop, lol | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 815 Registered: 8-2001 |
Very well done! True lateral thinking there. :D |
