| Author | Message | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12255 Registered: 4-2010 |
A man walks into a bar and orders a drink. After the bartender gives it to him, the man next to him pulls out a gun and shoots them both dead. Why? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 93 Registered: 2-2011 |
is this an old one? can we call the first man Roger, the bartender Neville and the man who shoots them Gervaise? did Roger know Neville? Gervaise? did Neville know Roger? Gervaise? did Gervaise know Roger? Neville? or did he recognise them? is this event fictional? modern-day? or wild west? was Gervaise a professional killer? like a hit man? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12261 Registered: 4-2010 |
is this an old one? No, this is new and FMOI. can we call the first man Roger, the bartender Neville and the man who shoots them Gervaise? Sure did Roger know Neville? Gervaise? Neither did Neville know Roger? Gervaise? Neither did Gervaise know Roger? No Neville? Noish or did he recognise them? Yope is this event fictional? modern-day? or wild west? Fictional, set in the modern day was Gervaise a professional killer? like a hit man? No, but think along these lines. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 94 Registered: 2-2011 |
I knew it would be FYOI, but you do understand...I had to eliminate the possibility did Gervaise kill the other two on behalf of someone else? did he in fact kill them both for the same reason? does Roger get the chance to drink the drink? is the type of drink important? alcoholic? a cocktail? water? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 555 Registered: 1-2011 |
Would Roger have been killed if: he had ordered something to eat? he had ordered something else to drink? there was another bartender - not Neville - at work? he had ordered the same but said it differently? Would Roger have been killed before getting a drink? Would Neville had been killed if: Roger was a woman? Roger had ordered something to eat? Roger had ordered something else to drink? Roger had ordered the same but said it differently? Would Neville have been killed before Roger getting a drink? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12264 Registered: 4-2010 |
I knew it would be FYOI, but you do understand...I had to eliminate the possibility Understood did Gervaise kill the other two on behalf of someone else? No did he in fact kill them both for the same reason? No does Roger get the chance to drink the drink? No is the type of drink important? Yes alcoholic? Assume it was a cocktail? It easily could have been this water? But not this Would Roger have been killed if: he had ordered something to eat? Probably not he had ordered something else to drink? Also probably not there was another bartender - not Neville - at work? No - good q! he had ordered the same but said it differently? Yes Would Roger have been killed before getting a drink? No Would Neville had been killed if: Roger was a woman? Yes Roger had ordered something to eat? Unlikely Roger had ordered something else to drink? Also unlikely Roger had ordered the same but said it differently? Yes Would Neville have been killed before Roger getting a drink? No | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 111 Registered: 2-2011 |
did Roger forget to say please? was Roger an alcoholic? was gervaise? Neville? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 741 Registered: 9-2010 |
Was it a Molotov Cocktail? (I just had to ask). When I turn 21, I'm so going to go into a bar and ask for one of those. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12273 Registered: 4-2010 |
did Roger forget to say please? No was Roger an alcoholic? was gervaise? Neville? None of them Was it a Molotov Cocktail? (I just had to ask). No When I turn 21, I'm so going to go into a bar and ask for one of those. Have a video camera at hand. | ||
| Noel (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 2384 Registered: 7-2009 |
Did he order a shot? A double shot? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 120 Registered: 2-2011 |
did the bartender usually work there? or was it his first day, or a one-off? did he have another occupation? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 576 Registered: 1-2011 |
Did Neville do anything relevant besides preparing and giving Roger his drink? Is there anything relevant about Neville besides his being a bartender? | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4675 Registered: 5-2003 |
Was Gervais mistaken about Roger? Neville? Did he intend to kill someone else? Are location or time period relevant? (Great puzzle statement, btw!) | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12285 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he order a shot? A double shot? Neither did the bartender usually work there? or was it his first day, or a one-off? Irrel, assume he was a regular did he have another occupation? Yes, with svv of "occupation" Did Neville do anything relevant besides preparing and giving Roger his drink? Yope Is there anything relevant about Neville besides his being a bartender? Yes Was Gervais mistaken about Roger? Neville? Did he intend to kill someone else? No to all Are location or time period relevant? Yesish/Yope (Great puzzle statement, btw!) Thanks! | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 695 Registered: 12-2010 |
Speaking of Molotov cocktails, I once dreamed I was at a bar and when the bartender asked me what I wanted to drink, I ordered a Molotov cocktail, lol. Mafia relevant? Gangs? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12290 Registered: 4-2010 |
Speaking of Molotov cocktails, I once dreamed I was at a bar and when the bartender asked me what I wanted to drink, I ordered a Molotov cocktail, lol. Mafia relevant? No, but... Gangs? ...an extremely large YES. Two leaps in two posts on two puzzles...if that means something, I don't know what. | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 754 Registered: 9-2010 |
Gangs as in Bloods and Crips? Were Neville and Roger in different gangs? The same gang? Neville and Gervaise? Roger and Gervaise? Were all of them in one gang or another? And speaking of dreaming about being in bars, I dreamt last night that I was locked in a bar and the police were coming to arrest me for underage drinking and then I got woken up by the locksmith knocking on my door to fix the lock. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12299 Registered: 4-2010 |
Gangs as in Bloods and Crips? Yes Were Neville and Roger in different gangs? The same gang? Neville and Gervaise? These two were in different gangs Roger and Gervaise? Were all of them in one gang or another? No And speaking of dreaming about being in bars, I dreamt last night that I was locked in a bar and the police were coming to arrest me for underage drinking and then I got woken up by the locksmith knocking on my door to fix the lock. At least the locksmith didn't arrest you. I haven't had any dreams like that lately. For that matter, I can't remember any recent dreams. | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 577 Registered: 1-2011 |
Did Gervase know that Neville was in the other gang, before Roger ordered his drink? Was asking for a drink a coded message? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12308 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did Gervase know that Neville was in the other gang, before Roger ordered his drink? No Was asking for a drink a coded message? No | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 579 Registered: 1-2011 |
Was Gervaise waiting for someone? Did Gervaise mistake Roger for someone else? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 773 Registered: 9-2010 |
So then Roger isn't in any gang at all? So are the two gangs the Bloods and the Crips? Or other (real) gangs? [LTPF list of gangs]? Was the drink something that members of a certain gang frequently drank? Something that members of a certain gang wouldn't drink? (Sort of how Crips wouldn't order a Bloody Mary because it's red and that's the Bloods' color) | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12312 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was Gervaise waiting for someone? Did Gervaise mistake Roger for someone else? No to both So then Roger isn't in any gang at all? Correct So are the two gangs the Bloods and the Crips? No, I made them up Or other (real) gangs? So no [LTPF list of gangs]? But you can give them names if you'd like Was the drink something that members of a certain gang frequently drank? No Something that members of a certain gang wouldn't drink? No (Sort of how Crips wouldn't order a Bloody Mary because it's red and that's the Bloods' color) | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 603 Registered: 1-2011 |
Did Gervaise properly heard what Roger said? Is it correct to say that Gervaise shot Roger perfectly knowing that he's nothing to do with gangs? Did Neville say something to Gervaise? Was Roger a police officer? Or another law enforcement? Did Gervaise think that his identity was revealed? Did he shot Roger and Neville to prevent being arrested? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12347 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did Gervaise properly heard what Roger said? Yes but irrel Is it correct to say that Gervaise shot Roger perfectly knowing that he's nothing to do with gangs? Yes Did Neville say something to Gervaise? No Was Roger a police officer? Or another law enforcement? Neither, and his occupation is irrel Did Gervaise think that his identity was revealed? No Did he shot Roger and Neville to prevent being arrested? No | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 150 Registered: 2-2011 |
Did Gervaise shoot Roger first and then Neville, or the other way round? did he shoot Roger as he was a potential witness? did he shoot Roger to prove something? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12348 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did Gervaise shoot Roger first and then Neville, or the other way round? Neville first did he shoot Roger as he was a potential witness? YES, and that's all you need to know for Roger. did he shoot Roger to prove something? So no | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 156 Registered: 2-2011 |
could it be then that poor Roger was just the trigger for Gervaise to shoot Neville? eg Gervaise was able to get his gun out while Neville was distracted getting the drink? or that something in the exchange between Roger and Neville showed Gervaise that this was the man to kill? did G come to te bar on purpose to kill N? or was it a happy coincidence? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12351 Registered: 4-2010 |
could it be then that poor Roger was just the trigger for Gervaise to shoot Neville? Yopish eg Gervaise was able to get his gun out while Neville was distracted getting the drink? No or that something in the exchange between Roger and Neville showed Gervaise that this was the man to kill? YES did G come to te bar on purpose to kill N? No or was it a happy coincidence? Happy for Gervaise | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 609 Registered: 1-2011 |
Did Neville have any relevant tics or gestures? Specific manner of speaking? Specific manner of preparing drinks? Did G know that his target works as a bartender in this bar? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 167 Registered: 2-2011 |
when Roger ordered the drink did he mention Neville's name? or something else which would have helped Gervaise identify him? did Gervaise actually say anything out loud? did he speak with an accent? a stammer? was there anything special about his voice or the way he spoke? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 168 Registered: 2-2011 |
oops - my mistake did Neville actually say anything out loud? did he speak with an accent? a stammer? was there anything special about his voice or the way he spoke? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12355 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did Neville have any relevant tics or gestures? No, but... Specific manner of speaking? No Specific manner of preparing drinks? No, but... Did G know that his target works as a bartender in this bar? No when Roger ordered the drink did he mention Neville's name? or something else which would have helped Gervaise identify him? No to both did Gervaise actually say anything out loud? did he speak with an accent? a stammer? was there anything special about his voice or the way he spoke? Irrel, assume No to all did Neville actually say anything out loud? Only to Roger, concerning his drink. Anything he said is irrelevant. did he speak with an accent? a stammer? was there anything special about his voice or the way he spoke? Irrel, assume No to all | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 170 Registered: 2-2011 |
did Neville have any visible identifying characteristics? a tattoo? was he wearing anything which would identify him? a ring? a chain? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12358 Registered: 4-2010 |
did Neville have any visible identifying characteristics? Yesish a tattoo? Yes!! was he wearing anything which would identify him? No, but see previous a ring? a chain? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 787 Registered: 9-2010 |
Can we call Neville's gang the Funkanas and Gervaise's gang the Murderettos? Did Neville's tattoo identify him as a member of the Funkanas? Some high ranking officer? The leader? Was he a high ranking officer? A leader? Or did it simply identify him as the Funkana who had done some wrong to a Muderetto, so Gervaise was getting revenge? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12363 Registered: 4-2010 |
Can we call Neville's gang the Funkanas and Gervaise's gang the Murderettos? Sure... Did Neville's tattoo identify him as a member of the Funkanas? Yes Some high ranking officer? The leader? Was he a high ranking officer? A leader? No to these Or did it simply identify him as the Funkana who had done some wrong to a Muderetto, No so Gervaise was getting revenge? Noish/Yope | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 173 Registered: 2-2011 |
did G kill N simply because he was a member of the Funkanas? specifically because of something another Funkana had done? do we need to identify the tattoo? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 613 Registered: 1-2011 |
Was the tattoo originally hidden, but became visible while making a drink for Roger? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12367 Registered: 4-2010 |
did G kill N simply because he was a member of the Funkanas? YES specifically because of something another Funkana had done? Irrel do we need to identify the tattoo? No Was the tattoo originally hidden, but became visible while making a drink for Roger? Yes...! | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 178 Registered: 2-2011 |
was the tatto on his wrist? his hand? his neck? his ankle? getting desperate now | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12372 Registered: 4-2010 |
was the tatto on his wrist? Here his hand? his neck? his ankle? getting desperate now Permit me to aid with a RECAP: Roger walks into a bar and orders a drink, which could have been a cocktail, but not beer. Something happens that reveals a tattoo on Neville's wrist. This tattoo reveals Neville to be the member of a certain gang. Gervaise, the customer sitting next to Roger, is a member of a rival gang, so he shoots Neville. And then shoots Roger to remove any witnesses. To solve: Why does the type of drink matter? And what caused the tattoo to be revealed? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 180 Registered: 2-2011 |
was it because Neville had to reach for a particular kind of glass? or the ice? or a bottle behind the bar? and then his sleeve fell back to reveal the tattoo? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 614 Registered: 1-2011 |
Did the drink need to be shaked in shaker? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12378 Registered: 4-2010 |
was it because Neville had to reach for a particular kind of glass? or the ice? or a bottle behind the bar? No, but see below and then his sleeve fell back to reveal the tattoo? Yes... Did the drink need to be shaked in shaker? Yes! **********SPOILER********** In the bar, Roger ordered a mixed drink. While shaking the shaker, Neville's sleeve slid down, revealing his gang tattoo. Gervaise...you know the rest. Excellent work, Shez and Redwine. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 184 Registered: 2-2011 |
thanks Balin - I'd like to say it's been fun. I'd lke to... | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12380 Registered: 4-2010 |
Well, you've been doing well! | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 185 Registered: 2-2011 |
aw shucks. you too! |
