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Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2011 - 8:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It was its name that saved its life.

its 1 = its 2
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It: An animal? An object? A concept? A tradition?

The name: The dictionary term for "it" (like, the sheep)? A name given to it (like, "Dolly", the sheep?

Is it still alive?
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It: An animal? An object? this A concept? A tradition?

The name: The dictionary term for "it" (like, the sheep)? no A name given to it (like, "Dolly", the sheep? yes

Is it still alive yes
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So it was one very specific object then?

If it had been called a different name, it wouldn't be around anymore, right? Would it have been: Thrown away? Destroyed? Put away to be forgotten (and possibly being damaged by not being used, like, though corrosion)? Over-used or used in a wrong way (and damaged by the overstrain)?

Is the item usually found in a home? In an office? A factory? In some other indoor place? Outdoors?

Is it a toy?

Due to its name, was it mistaken for something else (that was supposed to live)?
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So it was one very specific object then? yes

If it had been called a different name, it wouldn't be around anymore, right? most probably not Would it have been: Thrown away? no Destroyed? yes, probably Put away to be forgotten (and possibly being damaged by not being used, like, though corrosion)? no Over-used or used in a wrong way (and damaged by the overstrain)? no

Is the item usually found in a home? \In an office? A factory? In some other indoor place? yope to all of these - keep exploring Outdoors? not very often

Is it a toy? noish

Due to its name, was it mistaken for something else (that was supposed to live)? yesish, DOYD of "mistaken"
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Was the item used in an unusual way? As if it was something different? Like, a box that's being used as, say, a car, by a little child?

Can the item be found in most homes?

Is it bigger than a dice? A fist? A book? A microwave? A table?

Is it (mostly) made of [LTPF list of materials]?
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Was the item used in an unusual way? As if it was something different? Like, a box that's being used as, say, a car, by a little child? no

Can the item be found in most homes? yope, there might be an FA

Is it bigger than a dice? A fist? A book? A microwave? A table? this

Is it (mostly) made of [LTPF list of materials]? metal
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Bigger than a table then... Is it also bigger than: A person? A cabinet? A car? A truck? A house?

Is it an electronic device?

Is the reason why it was about to be destroyed relevant? Didn't it work properly anymore? Was it outdated? Did it consume too much energy? Was it supposed to be "cannibalized"?

Did the name the thing was being called suggest that it was something that it really wasn't (like a fridge-freezer combination that's only being referred to as a fridge or a freezer)? Or did the name enhance the object's value in some way? Is nostalgia relevant?

Is the item still being used? If not, could it be used if, for example, it was turned on?
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Bigger than a table then... Is it also bigger than: A person? A cabinet? A car? this, but I'm not completely sure A truck? A house?

Is it an electronic device? yes

Is the reason why it was about to be destroyed relevant? yes Didn't it work properly anymore? Was it outdated? Did it consume too much energy? Was it supposed to be "cannibalized"? no to all

Did the name the thing was being called suggest that it was something that it really wasn't yesish(like a fridge-freezer combination that's only being referred to as a fridge or a freezer but nothing like that)? Or did the name enhance the object's value in some way? thisish too, but it DOYD of "enhance" and "value" Is nostalgia relevant? no

Is the item still being used? no If not, could it be used if, for example, it was turned on? I'm not sure, but probably yes
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Was the object valuable? Was it named for a person? Was it a vehicle of any sort?
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Was the object unique (by its features)? Or was it common, and only its name made it distinguishable?
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Was the object valuable? yes Was it named for a person? no Was it a vehicle of any sort? no

Was the object unique (by its features)? yes Or was it common, and only its name made it distinguishable? no
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Timeframe relevant?
Was the object a computer?
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is it something you could get inside? or put things inside?

is this a true story? FYOI? FSEI?
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Timeframe relevant? very
Was the object a computer? yes!!

is it something you could get inside? or put things inside? noish to both

is this a true story? yes FYOI? FSEI?
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is the computer called ada or is the puzzle title a reference to ada lovelace?
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is the computer called ada no or is the puzzle title a reference to ada lovelace? yes!
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Is it the only purpose of the title to mark the reference to computers? Or there are more links with the Ada programming language? (like this being one computer relevant in the development of the language, etc)

Was this a mainframe of old times (ENIAC?) ? Or was it built after 2000? Relevant the manufacturer? IBM? DEC? HP?
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Is it the only purpose of the title to mark the reference to computers? Orno there are more links with the Ada programming language? not the programming language, but Ada Lovelace herself is laterally relevant (like this being one computer relevant in the development of the language, etc)

Was this a mainframe of old times (ENIAC?) ? yes, but not ENIAC Or was it built after 2000? so, no Relevant the manufacturer? oh yes! IBM? DEC? HP? none of these
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A little BLOOOPER: I just looked it up, it does NOT count as a mainframe.
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The manufacturer: someone from the BUNCH? RCA? GE? Sun?
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Oh, and forgot to ask: was it a Cray?
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The manufacturer: someone from the BUNCH? RCA? GE? Sun? no to all
Oh, and forgot to ask: was it a Cray? and another no

You're a little bit OTWT
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this individual computer had been given a name? was it a name given by the manufacturer? or a pet name given by the operators? others who used it?

had it become obsolete?
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this individual computer had been given a name? yes was it a name given by the manufacturer? yesish or a pet name given by the operators? noish others who used it? no

had it become obsolete? not at all
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Time period: [LTPF list of decades]? Is it a supercomputer?
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Time period: [LTPF list of decades]? 1940's Is it a supercomputer? no
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Was it the first ever computer? Was it one of those giant ones with vacuum tubes that weighed half a gajillion tons?
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Was it the first ever computer? the second Was it one of those giant ones with vacuum tubes that weighed half a gajillion tons? it didn't have tubes, but in general - yes
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The Z3? ABC?
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The Z3? no, but... ABC? no
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CNC? Bombe?
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CNC? Bombe? no to both, Z3 was really close
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Z1? Z2?
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Z1? Z2? no, they didn't really count as computers... but Z is a good start
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Z-something? Z4? Z5? Z6?
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Was it built by a German manufacturer? Maybe Zuse himself? British? (Colossus line?) American? Australian? Was it built during the war?
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Z-something? Z4? yes Z5? Z6?

Was it built by a German manufacturer? yes Maybe Zuse himself? yes British? (Colossus line?) American? Australian? so, no to rest Was it built during the war? yes

I won't be online till Wednesday, so here's a recap to help you solve the puzzle:

During the war, Konrad Zuse built several computers, one of them being the Z4.
If it had had a different name (beware of FA!), it would have been destroyed during WW2.
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By "name," do you mean "Z4"? Or some other nickname?

Were other computers destroyed during WWII?
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Destroyed by the Nazis? by the Americans? by a commercial competitor?
Destroyed on purpose? Destroyed because the place where the Z4 was got bombed?
Relevant that Zuse moved the Z4 several times to protect it? Would he not have been able to do this if the computer had a different name?
Would the Z4 have been in a different place then? and got destroyed?
I think IBM tried to buy the Z4 after the war with the intention to stop the development and to get a competitor out of the way? Is this relevant?
There is also a story that the Z4 appeared as V4 in some official documents, so that it looked as if it belongs to the V4 project and got protection from the government .. relevant?
So, the Nazi government let Zuse continue with his project rather than destroying the computer in order not to leave it to the Americans?
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By "name," do you mean "Z4"? no Or some other nickname? yes

Were other computers destroyed during WWII? irrel

Destroyed by the Nazis? by the Americans? this by a commercial competitor?
Destroyed on purpose? Destroyed because the place where the Z4 was got bombed? both would have been possible
Relevant that Zuse moved the Z4 several times to protect it? yes Would he not have been able to do this if the computer had a different name? well, it would have been much more difficult
Would the Z4 have been in a different place then? probably and got destroyed? probably
I think IBM tried to buy the Z4 after the war with the intention to stop the development and to get a competitor out of the way? i don't know... Is this relevant? no
There is also a story that the Z4 appeared as V4 in some official documents, so that it looked as if it belongs to the V4 project and got protection from the government .. relevant? YES! This is more or less the answer, although as far as I know there was no such thing as a V4 project, BUT...
So, the Nazi government let Zuse continue with his project rather than destroying the computer in order not to leave it to the Americans?
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Did the "destroyers" even realize that it was a computer? Did they think it was something else?
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Does it look like Z4 alias V4 was something important for the military? A part of military industry?
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Did the "destroyers" even realize that it was a computer? maybe, but it could have been destroyed in one of the "normal" bombings too Did they think it was something else? probably not

Does it look like Z4 alias V4 was something important for the military? A part of military industry? yes to both!

Why exactly did they call it V4 and not for example D8?
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was it so that it would look like a successor to the V2?
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well, if they called it V8, they'd have to make vegetable juice with it!
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was it so that it would look like a successor to the V2? YES!

********SPOILER********
The puzzle is about Konrad Zuse's computer Z4 which he built in his home in Berlin during WW2.
When the Allies started bombing Berlin, he wanted to move the Z4 in order to prevent it from being destroyed (accidentially or intentionally). But because of the war, it would have been extremely difficult and dangerous to transport such a big machine. To make things easier, he decided to call the Z4 "V4" which made it look like a successor to the V1 and V2, two important German missiles.
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And by the way, Ada Lovelace was a 19th century mathematician and the "first computer prgrammer". Konrad Zuse read about her in a book, and she was his muse and inspiration ever since.
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wow! I'm dead chuffed.

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