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Redwine (Redwine)
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Posted on Saturday, March 19, 2011 - 10:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

How do they know? And what is practical use of it?
La_sparky (La_sparky)
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Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2011 - 4:34 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

they=HAM? HAF? combination of F and M?

it=object? tangible? emotion? idea? invention? information?

Do they know?

Do they know specific information about it?

Relevant how they found out whatever it is that they know?
Redwine (Redwine)
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Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2011 - 10:14 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

La Sparky:
they=HAM? HAF? combination of F and M? unknown and irrelevant, probably the last

it=object? tangible? emotion? idea? invention? information? this

Do they know? yes

Do they know specific information about it? see above, it is an information itself

Relevant how they found out whatever it is that they know? I don't know how they found out. And that's what the puzzle is about
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Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2011 - 3:10 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is this about a science experiment? Are "they" scientists? A specific type of scientists? If so, LTPF list of disciplines (physicists, astronomers, biologists, etc).
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Posted on Monday, March 21, 2011 - 10:05 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Their nationality relevant? Their religion? Are "they" a couple of persons? 3? 10? More than 10?
Shez (Shez)
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Posted on Monday, March 21, 2011 - 2:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is this information widely known by the general public? or just a few knowledgeable people?

would it be difficult to prove? impossible? eg something which has never happened before? a condition or circumstance difficult to recreate? something infintessimally small? a very long way away? way back in time? in the future?
Redwine (Redwine)
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Posted on Tuesday, March 22, 2011 - 2:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

JenBurdoo:
Is this about a science experiment? unknown Are "they" scientists? probably yes A specific type of scientists? If so, LTPF list of disciplines (physicists, astronomers, biologists, etc). chemists I think

Rbruma:
Their nationality relevant? Their religion? no to both Are "they" a couple of persons? 3? 10? More than 10? unknown number of scientists

Shez:
is this information widely known by the general public? can be easily found in the Internet for example or just a few knowledgeable people?

would it be difficult to prove? that is what I wonder in the puzzle statement impossible? ditto eg something which has never happened before? a condition or circumstance difficult to recreate? something infintessimally small? a very long way away? way back in time? in the future? no to the rest
Shez (Shez)
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Posted on Tuesday, March 22, 2011 - 2:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is it something which could only be proved by killing someone? or by doing extensive damage?
Redwine (Redwine)
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Posted on Tuesday, March 22, 2011 - 3:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Shez:
is it something which could only be proved by killing someone? literally yes, but it may be misleading or by doing extensive damage? just human death
Shez (Shez)
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Posted on Tuesday, March 22, 2011 - 3:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is it this thing about seeing a light at the end of a tunnel just as you die?
Rbruma (Rbruma)
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Posted on Tuesday, March 22, 2011 - 5:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Chemist as in : a specialist in chemistry? A pharmacist? An alchemist?

Are they specialists in explosives? In medicines?
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Posted on Wednesday, March 23, 2011 - 6:23 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Near death experiences relevant? That experiment where they put colored shapes on a shelf above the operating table so that if someone claimed they went out of body they would be questioned as to what they had seen?
Shez (Shez)
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Posted on Wednesday, March 23, 2011 - 9:22 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

or how your whole life is supposed to pass before your eyes?

is it that they know the chemical breakdown of the human body? is it the production of a particular substance at the point of death?

or is it what happens to someone just as they die from inhaling/ingesting/otherwise taking into the body a particular substance?

it's not that fungus that destroys the organs is it?
Redwine (Redwine)
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Posted on Wednesday, March 23, 2011 - 10:07 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Shez:
is it this thing about seeing a light at the end of a tunnel just as you die? no

Rbruma:
Chemist as in : a specialist in chemistry? this A pharmacist? An alchemist?

Are they specialists in explosives? In medicines? neither

CupOfSun:
Near death experiences relevant? no That experiment where they put colored shapes on a shelf above the operating table so that if someone claimed they went out of body they would be questioned as to what they had seen? so no

Shez:
or how your whole life is supposed to pass before your eyes? no

is it that they know the chemical breakdown of the human body? is it the production of a particular substance at the point of death? no to both

or is it what happens to someone just as they die from inhaling/ingesting/otherwise taking into the body a particular substance? YES to inhaling substance, no to the rest

it's not that fungus that destroys the organs is it? no
Shez (Shez)
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Posted on Wednesday, March 23, 2011 - 12:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is the substance a gas? powder? other??

is it a recreational drug?

is it a poison gas used in warfare? a gas only poisonous because of the absence of oxygen? carbon monoxide?
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Posted on Wednesday, March 23, 2011 - 2:30 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Shez:
is the substance a gas? this powder? other??

is it a recreational drug? no

is it a poison gas used in warfare? yes indeed a gas only poisonous because of the absence of oxygen? carbon monoxide? so no to the rest
Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Wednesday, March 23, 2011 - 3:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Gas chambers relevant?
Shez (Shez)
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Posted on Wednesday, March 23, 2011 - 3:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is the thing they know what it feels like to be gassed with this gas? or what one would experience in other ways? hallucinations? taste? smell?

do they think that the brain/consciousness closes down at an early stage? do they think it is pain-free?
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Posted on Wednesday, March 23, 2011 - 4:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it chlorine gas?
Redwine (Redwine)
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Posted on Wednesday, March 23, 2011 - 4:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Doriana:
Gas chambers relevant? no

Shez:
is the thing they know what it feels like to be gassed with this gas? or what one would experience in other ways? hallucinations? taste? smell? THIS

do they think that the brain/consciousness closes down at an early stage? do they think it is pain-free? no to these

Balin:
Is it chlorine gas? no

Now the pieces just need to be put together.
Shez (Shez)
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Posted on Wednesday, March 23, 2011 - 5:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

so scientists believe that a certain poisonous gas has a particular smell, but they can't know that because someone discovering that would then be dead?
Redwine (Redwine)
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Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2011 - 3:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Shez:
so scientists believe that a certain poisonous gas has a particular smell, but they can't know that because someone discovering that would then be dead? yes, that's it.

******SPOILER********
Last week there was a leak in an industrial factory in my city and the approx. 15 litres of poisonous battle gas went to the atmosphere. When the news was announced, all newspapers gave the message, that the gas is highly poisonous, a 0,1g in one cubic metre of air can kill a human. Then it was written that the gas smells like freshly mowed grass. And then I started wondering - how could anybody learn it? And even if someone could, what is the practical use of it, given that if I was able to smell it, I would be dead in a while?

Thanks to everybody who contributed and congratulations to Shez for solving.
Shez (Shez)
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Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2011 - 4:10 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

thanks redwine, I found this quite intriguing

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