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Posted on Monday, March 28, 2011 - 8:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Eva and Jack were talking on the phone and during the course of conversation, Eva asked Jack a question. He answered, but found that minutes after the call ended, his answer had come to mean the exact opposite of what he’d meant.

He hadn’t lied or intended to mislead Eva at all. What’s going on?
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Shoot! Could a Moderator please add my name to the title? It's clearly been too long if I'm forgetting the posting rules. SORRY!!
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Eva - H/A/F?
Jack - H/A/M?
Do they know each other personally? Are they married? a couple? relatives? friends? working together?
Is this a true story? FYOI? FSEI? Are time and/or location relevant?
Did something happen after the end of the call?
Was it a yes/no question?
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Eva - H/A/F? Yes
Jack - H/A/M? Yes
Do they know each other personally? Yes
Are they married? a couple? No to both
relatives? Yes
friends? working together? No to both
Is this a true story? Yes
Are time and/or location relevant? Yes-ish
Did something happen after the end of the call? Yes
Was it a yes/no question? No
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Are they siblings? Mother and son? Father and daughter? Cousins?
Is any of the following important: Which decade this happened in? What time of year? What time of day? In which country it happened? Where the two of them were during the call?
Did Jack call Eva? Vice versa?
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Are they siblings? No
Mother and son? Yes
Father and daughter? Cousins? No to both

Is any of the following important: Which decade this happened in? What time of year? What time of day? In which country it happened? No to all

Where the two of them were during the call? Yes
Did Jack call Eva? Vice versa? Irrelevant
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Was Eva indoors? outdoors? at home? at work? in a shop? in a vehicle?
Was Jack indoors? outdoors? at home? at work? in a shop? in a vehicle?

Did something relevant happen before the call?
Are there any other relevant people in this puzzle?

Was the question related to Jack? To what he was doing? To where he was? Was it related to Eva?
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Was Eva indoors? outdoors? at home? at work? in a shop? in a vehicle?
Was Jack indoors? outdoors? at home? at work? in a shop? in a vehicle?
Let’s say Indoors, At Home for both.

Did something relevant happen before the call? Yes-ish
Are there any other relevant people in this puzzle? No

Was the question related to Jack? Yes
To what he was doing? To where he was? No
Was it related to Eva? Yes
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Was the question related to plans they had made? Meeting up? Or was it related to their past? Their relationship?
Is it relevant how far away from each other the two of them were?
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Was the question related to plans they had made? No
Meeting up? YES
Or was it related to their past? Their relationship? Not really
Is it relevant how far away from each other the two of them were? YES
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Do they live far away from each other?
Was the question related to when they could meet up? Where?
Is it important how often they see each other?
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Do they live far away from each other? YES
Was the question related to when they could meet up? Yes
Where? Yes?
Is it important how often they see each other? Yes
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Okay... I suppose they don't see each other very often. Correct?
So does Eva ask Jack when and where they could meet up?
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Okay... I suppose they don't see each other very often. Correct? Correct
So does Eva ask Jack when and where they could meet up? YES, Let's say she asked "When are you going come see me?"
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Does Jack say
... a date?
... "soon"?
... "probably not very soon"?
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Does Jack say
... a date? No
... "soon"? No
... "probably not very soon"? No, but OTRT
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Does he say "never"?
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Does he say "never"? Yope?
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Does he give an exact answer? A date? A general time?

Does it seem like he'll ever see her? That he will see her, but later than expected (or actually)? Sooner than expected (or actually)?
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Does he give an exact answer? A date? No to these
A general time? Closest to this

Does it seem like he'll ever see her? Yes
That he will see her, but later than expected (or actually)? No
Sooner than expected (or actually)? No

Those last ones took some thinking, not sure I entirely understood the "seem" part of it.
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Is he serious in his answer? Or is he joking? Does he use an idiom?
Do they live in different countries?

Jack's answer indicate that he will come to see Mary, but not soon, correct? Is this his intended meaning? Or is this the unintended, opposite meaning?

Is the unintended meaning that he will never come?
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does he say he'll see her before something happens and then the thing happens so that can't be true?
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Was it some tongue-in-cheek answer like "At your funeral"? Or did he state in general "When X Happens"? And he didn't think X would happen for a while (or ever) and then it did? (Like if this happened in the '60s and he said "I'll see you when they put a man on the moon" meaning never, and then later that day, NASA announced that they WOULD put a man on the moon soon)
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Redwine
Is he serious in his answer? No
Or is he joking? Yes
Does he use an idiom? No
Do they live in different countries? Yes, though far from each other works just as well.

Jack's answer indicate that he will come to see Mary *coughEVAcough*, but not soon, correct? Yes
Is this his intended meaning? YES
Or is this the unintended, opposite meaning? No
Is the unintended meaning that he will never come? No

Shez
does he say he'll see her before something happens and then the thing happens so that can't be true? No, but this is getting in the right direction

Gregoryuconn
Was it some tongue-in-cheek answer like "At your funeral"? Yes...but not that one
Or did he state in general "When X Happens"? YES
And he didn't think X would happen for a while (or ever) and then it did? YES!

(Like if this happened in the '60s and he said "I'll see you when they put a man on the moon" meaning never, and then later that day, NASA announced that they WOULD put a man on the moon soon) Absolutely the right line of thinking, not these specifics…

Some good progress here! Doriana was working away at it, but sometimes new folks can hit on some different lines of thinking!
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Did he say "When you're in hospital" or something similar? And then Eva had to go there?
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Did he say "When you're in hospital" or something similar? No
And then Eva had to go there? Nope
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Did he say "When I find a four-leaf clover"?
"When you find a four-leaf clover"?
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Did he say "When I find a four-leaf clover"?
"When you find a four-leaf clover"? No, but...
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"When pigs fly?" Some sarcastic statement like that?
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"When pigs fly?" Not this one...
Some sarcastic statement like that? YES!
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"When hell freezes over?"
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If that last one, did a town called Hell get a massive snowstorm and ergo freeze over?
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"When hell freezes over?" No

If that last one, did a town called Hell get a massive snowstorm and ergo freeze over? Very clever and OTRT, but No

HINT: Doriana stumbled on something that could help in her last questions.
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Is the title relevant?
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Is the title relevant? YES
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When I find a four-leaf clover? When you find a four-leaf clover? When four-leaf clovers fall from the sky? When four-leaf clovers grow on treews?
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When I find a four-leaf clover? This is the closest
When you find a four-leaf clover?
When four-leaf clovers fall from the sky?
When four-leaf clovers grow on treews?
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"When I find (x number) of four-leaf clovers"? Two? Three? More? A hundred?
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"When I find (x number) of four-leaf clovers"? Two? Three? More? A hundred? Nope, OTRT

HINT: He didn't say anything about four-leaf clovers, but the title is relevant.
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ARG - BLOOOOOPER ALERT
"When I find (x number) of four-leaf clovers"? Two? Three? More? A hundred? Nope, OTRT Wrong track...ORWT
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*headdesk* Clearly, it's past my bedtime.
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when I win the lottery?
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The thing to happen, is this a good thing (John would be happy if this happened)? Or is it a bad thing?
The thing to happen, should it happen to John? To Eva?
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The names in this puzzle don't like me... Of course I meant Jack, not John. My bad.
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Shez - I think you're right, and I remember reading that story.
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moi?
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Shez
when I win the lottery? YES!! Care to bring this one home?

Redwine
The thing to happen, is this a good thing (JohnJack would be happy if this happened)? Yes
Or is it a bad thing? No
The thing to happen, should it happen to JohnJack? Yes
To Eva? No

Balin, seems like you’ve got this one. Well remembered!
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I honestly haven't a clue - it was just a wild guess. over to you Balin
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And then he won the lottery? Or is it something less obvious?
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I found the link to the story - if Vesica doesn't post it in the 5po1ler, I'll do so.
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And then he won the lottery? YES!
Or is it something less obvious? No, it's pretty obvious.
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************ SPOILER ************

Below is the text of the news story on this one:

Florida man wins lottery, must visit mom
Smart-aleck remark ends in $4 million win — and a trip to see her
(Todd Wright, NBCMIAMI.com, 3/16/2011)

MIAMI — When Johan Fourie's mom asked him on Sunday when he was going to come visit her, his answer was as funny as it was seemingly unrealistic.

"When I win the lottery," Fourie said.

Moments later, Fourie checked his Florida Lotto ticket and saw that he had actually won the $4 million jackpot. (Ves adds: Florida Lotto holds one of its weekly drawings late Saturday evening, with many checking their tickets in the Sunday morning paper.)

"I had no idea I would be calling her back later that day to tell her I was on my way!" he said Wednesday.

For 12 years, the 62-year-old Hollywood man had played the same numbers — 9, 10, 23, 37, 38 — religiously every week. His diligence finally paid off in a big way.

Fourie chose to take the lump sum payment of more than $2.3 million.

Maybe mom will get a really nice dinner with her visit.


Where does his Mom live that he rarely sees her? No clue.

Does Johan realize he might have been able to see his Mom more often if he wasn’t spending $100 a year on lotto tickets? No clue.

Will everyone who worked on this puzzle think twice before giving a smart-aleck answer? Maybe.

Or maybe they will buy a lotto ticket and then see if this response will work twice. *wink*}

Well played all! Not a bad first puzzle back and I’m remembering how addictive playing these can be!

Balin, feel free to post the link if you like.
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OK, here's the link, although it's the same thing as the text of the $poyler: http://www.lotterypost.com/news/229121

Although you'll probably enjoy some of the comments.
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In 1964, Giants manager Alvin Dark remarked "There will be a man on the moon before Gaylord Perry hits a home run". At 1:40 PM PDT on July 20, 1969, Apollo 11 landed on the moon. Just a few minutes later, Gaylord Perry hit his first major league home run. Go figure!
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17 minutes later, IIRC. Baseball trivia - gotta love it.
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Roughly 17. We don't know exactly, but it was a 2 hour 20 minute game that started at 1:00 PM PDT and he hit it in the bottom of the third inning, so it was probably around 1:45-2:00 PM. But we don't know exactly when.

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