| Author | Message | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 901 Registered: 12-2010 |
After several fires, he finally had a "Eureka!" moment. | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 719 Registered: 1-2011 |
Fires - like something physically burning? like shooting? or just something going wrong? He- H? A? M? Is he famous? Time and location relevant? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12721 Registered: 4-2010 |
"Fires" - being removed from jobs? | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 704 Registered: 6-2003 |
Eureka = how to avoid getting fired? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 903 Registered: 12-2010 |
Fires - like something physically burning? this, no to rest like shooting? or just something going wrong? He- H? A? M? yes Is he famous? DOYD of famous... yope? Time and location relevant? yesish, USA, early 20th century "Fires" - being removed from jobs? no Eureka = how to avoid getting fired? no | ||
| Kalira (Kalira)
New member Username: Kalira Post Number: 621 Registered: 2-2009 |
Are the fires an intended consequence of whatever he's doing? an unintended consequence? a method of doing whatever he's doing? Does his Eureka moment come as a direct result of the fire(s)? or something else? Is any one of the fires more relevant than the others toward the Eureka moment? If so, the last one? Is he a scientist? Is his profession relevant? Are these real fires? or fictional ones (like in a game or video game)? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 908 Registered: 12-2010 |
Are the fires an intended consequence of whatever he's doing? an unintended consequence? a method of doing whatever he's doing? no, and FA! Does his Eureka moment come as a direct result of the fire(s)? yope or something else? yope Is any one of the fires more relevant than the others toward the Eureka moment? no If so, the last one? so, no Is he a scientist? yope Is his profession relevant? yes Are these real fires? yes or fictional ones (like in a game or video game)? no | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 398 Registered: 2-2011 |
is he a chef? a fire-eater? an entertainer? an artist? a builder? an educator? the fires - bonfires? house fires? objects catching fire? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 911 Registered: 12-2010 |
is he a chef? a fire-eater? an entertainer? an artist? a builder? an educator? no to all the fires - bonfires? no to all house fires? maybe objects catching fire? yes | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 415 Registered: 8-2001 |
Is he present at the fires? Did he start one or all of the fires? Is it relevant who started the fires? Were they accidental fires? His profession within "Yopeish" science: Does he play a scientist on TV? Would he call himself a scientist? Is the time period important? (I guess I'm asking, does "scientist" as a profession exist in the time period in which he lives?) Can we name him? How about Fargo? (Hey, YOU brought up Eureka...) Speaking of, Eureka as in "Aha, I have learned/realized something"? Eureka as one of the many towns named Eureka? Eureka as in the line of vacuums? ;) | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 404 Registered: 2-2011 |
the objects - clothing? food? wood? chemicals? books? paper products? buildings? vehicles? dummies? rubber items? plastics? gases? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 726 Registered: 1-2011 |
Did he deal with fires while doing his job? Were all the fires same or very similar? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 916 Registered: 12-2010 |
Is he present at the fires? NO Did he start one or all of the fires? no Is it relevant who started the fires? yope Were they accidental fires? yesish His profession within "Yopeish" science: FA, he is yopeishly a scientist because he had a degree in science but didn't work in this field. Does he play a scientist on TV? no Would he call himself a scientist? maybe Is the time period important? (I guess I'm asking, does "scientist" as a profession exist in the time period in which he lives?) first half of the 20st century Can we name him? How about Fargo? (Hey, YOU brought up Eureka...) sure Speaking of, Eureka as in "Aha, I have learned/realized something"? this Eureka as one of the many towns named Eureka? Eureka as in the line of vacuums? ;) lol, no the objects - clothing? food? wood? chemicals? THIS and as a consequence maybe some of the others as well books? paper products? buildings? vehicles? dummies? rubber items? plastics? gases? Did he deal with fires while doing his job? yesish Were all the fires same or very similar? yes, the relevant fires where all similar | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12744 Registered: 4-2010 |
Were they always the same chemicals? Different ones each time? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 918 Registered: 12-2010 |
Were they always the same chemicals? no Different ones each time? maybe not each time, but different ones are involved. However, it's not really relevant what they were exactly. | ||
| Dukhsan (Dukhsan)
New member Username: Dukhsan Post Number: 61 Registered: 3-2011 |
Does he fight fires? If so, does he use different types of extinguishers? Was he figuring out which ones worked and which ones did not? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 438 Registered: 8-2001 |
Based on true story? Fictional? Legend? Urban legend? From your imagination? From someone else’s? We have houses and objects and chemicals catching fire… Is the point of origin of the fires relevant? Are they starting in the homes? Or are the homes just impacted? Are the chemicals starting the fires? By themselves? Through their interaction with something else? With intervention from someone else? Are the fires occurring because of natural causes? Lightning? Spontaneous combustion due to high temp? Some interaction of sunlight and a lens? The “yesish” intersection of the fires and his job: I think we established he is NOT a firefighter. Is this correct? Is he investigating the fires? Is he reporting on the fires? Is he involved with cleaning up after the fires? Does he own the property (properties) impacted? Work there? Is he mayor, police chief, or some other role of authority that makes him “responsible” for dealing with the fires? Does he know who/what is starting the fires? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 410 Registered: 2-2011 |
is he developing a new type of fire extinguisher? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 923 Registered: 12-2010 |
Does he fight fires? no If so, does he use different types of extinguishers? Was he figuring out which ones worked and which ones did not? so, no Based on true story? yes Fictional? Legend? Urban legend? From your imagination? From someone else’s? so, no to rest We have houses and objects and chemicals catching fire… Is the point of origin of the fires relevant? yes, very much so Are they starting in the homes? yes, in homes and/or... Or are the homes just impacted? home might be impected too Are the chemicals starting the fires? yes By themselves? unlikely Through their interaction with something else? possibly With intervention from someone else? usually yes Are the fires occurring because of natural causes? Lightning? no to these two Spontaneous combustion due to high temp? no Some interaction of sunlight and a lens? no The “yesish” intersection of the fires and his job: I think we established he is NOT a firefighter. Is this correct? yes, it is Is he investigating the fires? yesish Is he reporting on the fires? no Is he involved with cleaning up after the fires? no Does he own the property (properties) impacted? no Work there? no Is he mayor, police chief, or some other role of authority that makes him “responsible” for dealing with the fires? no Does he know who/what is starting the fires? yes, and that's important is he developing a new type of fire extinguisher? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12757 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is he starting the fires? Are the fires starting naturally? Is arson being committed? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 924 Registered: 12-2010 |
Is he starting the fires? no Are the fires starting naturally? no Is arson being committed? no | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 469 Registered: 8-2001 |
The fires are starting in homes and... offices? garages? cars? stores? yards? forests? parks? in a specific relevant room in the house? Is he trying to figure out how the fires are starting? How to stop them? Are the fires being started by a human? Adult? Child? Animal? Aliens? By more than one of the humans/animals/aliens? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 942 Registered: 12-2010 |
The fires are starting in homes and... offices? garages? cars? stores? yards? forests? parks? in a specific relevant room in the house? no to all Is he trying to figure out how the fires are starting? yesish How to stop them? no Are the fires being started by a human? Adult? usually this Child? Animal? Aliens? By more than one of the humans possibly/animals/aliens? HINT/Clarification: Remember that he "investigates" fires - he deals with lots of fires in his job, but not all of them are relevant for his "Eureka!" moment. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 415 Registered: 2-2011 |
does he work in insurance? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 731 Registered: 1-2011 |
The fires are started by humans, but no arson involved, correct? Do the fires start willingly? On purpose? Unwillingly? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12777 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is smoking relevant? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 943 Registered: 12-2010 |
does he work in insurance? YES The fires are started by humans, but no arson involved, correct? correct Do the fires start willingly? On purpose? Unwillingly? this Is smoking relevant? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12789 Registered: 4-2010 |
Does he "Eureka" because he's realized the cause? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 948 Registered: 12-2010 |
Does he "Eureka" because he's realized the cause? yope, this is important, but there's more to it | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 417 Registered: 2-2011 |
is it the combination of chemicals which causes the fires to start? or is it leaking containers? are they commonly found around the house? photographic supplies? retires smugly for getting the insurance connection | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 950 Registered: 12-2010 |
is it the combination of chemicals which causes the fires to start? possibly, but unlikely for the relevant fires or is it leaking containers? no are they commonly found around the house? no, or I don't know, but the most relevant fires didn't happen at home photographic supplies? no retires smugly for getting the insurance connection one small step for you, a great leap for the puzzle! | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 424 Registered: 2-2011 |
are the chemicals stored in warehouses? shops? restaurants? offices? are the fires caused by overheating? evaporation? chemical reaction? the action of sunlight? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 953 Registered: 12-2010 |
are the chemicals stored in warehouses? shops? restaurants? offices? probably an FA are the fires caused by overheating? this is closest evaporation? chemical reaction? the action of sunlight? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 427 Registered: 2-2011 |
although these substances are different chemicals, do they have something in common? (apart from the fires, that is) are they all used for the same purpose? eg cleaning materials? foodstuffs? fertilizers? pesticides? herbicides? paint? dye? | ||
| Twilightseeker (Twilightseeker)
New member Username: Twilightseeker Post Number: 123 Registered: 2-2009 |
Lightning relevant? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 956 Registered: 12-2010 |
although these substances are different chemicals, do they have something in common? (apart from the fires, that is) not the substances themselves... are they all used for the same purpose? no eg cleaning materials? foodstuffs? fertilizers? pesticides? herbicides? paint? dye? Lightning relevant? no Here's a RECAP to help you: A man works for an insurance company and investigates fires. All the relevant fires have to do with chemicals and are caused by humans, but no arson is committed. After several fires of the same "type", he realizes something, but this something is not directly related to the fires or how to avoid/extinguish/prevent them. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 431 Registered: 2-2011 |
is it because humans are accidentally mixing these substances with something else? leaving these substances next to radiators? other heat source? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 958 Registered: 12-2010 |
is it because humans are accidentally mixing these substances with something else? no leaving these substances next to radiators? other heat source? no, but explore heat | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12798 Registered: 4-2010 |
Do the chemicals start the fire by overheating? Is a human applying an excessive heat source to the chemicals? To something near the chemicals? To the room the chemicals are in? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 487 Registered: 8-2001 |
He realizes: a needed change to homes? home safety? chemical storage? safe chemicals for cleaning use? a certain common practice needs to change? (Um...)that he hates his job? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 962 Registered: 12-2010 |
Do the chemicals start the fire by overheating? no Is a human applying an excessive heat source to the chemicals? yes To something near the chemicals? To the room the chemicals are in? those two are possible as well He realizes: a needed change to homes? no home safety? no chemical storage? yope safe chemicals for cleaning use? no a certain common practice needs to change? yope (Um...)that he hates his job? probably this as well (; | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 748 Registered: 1-2011 |
Did he realize something concerning chemicals? Chemical reaction? Did he do any important discovery in the field of chemistry? Did he change his job after his discovery? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 435 Registered: 2-2011 |
is the thing he realised that the fires were not started deliberately? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 964 Registered: 12-2010 |
Did he realize something concerning chemicals? no-ish Chemical reaction? Did he do any important discovery in the field of chemistry? no Did he change his job after his discovery? YES is the thing he realised that the fires were not started deliberately? that's part of what he realised, but not the final thing | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12811 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are the chemicals the direct cause of the fire? Or are they applied to something else which then catches fire? Was the chemical sold? For some home use (or something)? Without realizing its flammability? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 969 Registered: 12-2010 |
Are the chemicals the direct cause of the fire? yes Or are they applied to something else which then catches fire? no Was the chemical sold? no For some home use (or something)? no Without realizing its flammability? yope, explore | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 440 Registered: 2-2011 |
is the heat caused by static electricity? lightning? friction? conduction? convection? radiation? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 973 Registered: 12-2010 |
is the heat caused by static electricity? lightning? friction? conduction? convection? radiation? no to all, and the cause of the heat is not essentially important. | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 753 Registered: 1-2011 |
As a result of his discovery, did he have to pay money to the insured entities? Did he suspect the fires to be started deliberately, at first? And he realized that it wasn't true? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 975 Registered: 12-2010 |
As a result of his discovery, did he have to pay money to the insured entities? Did he suspect the fires to be started deliberately, at first? And he realized that it wasn't true? unknown to all | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 503 Registered: 8-2001 |
The relevant fires: In urban areas? Suburban? Rural? Uninhabited? IN SPACE?! Are fires underwater even possible? Oooh! In submarines? Are the chemicals alone flammable? Or is the way they are combining? The way they age? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 990 Registered: 12-2010 |
The relevant fires: In urban areas? probably Suburban? probably Rural? rather unlikely Uninhabited? rather unlikely IN SPACE?! no Are fires underwater even possible? According to Spongebon - yes Oooh! In submarines? no Are the chemicals alone flammable? yes Or is the way they are combining? The way they age? no to these HINT for all Simpsons fans: Dr. Nick once experienced a fire that was caused by the relevant reason. | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 506 Registered: 8-2001 |
Were the chemicals labeled? And someone misunderstood the labels? Firecrackers relevant? Is the date relevant? (I'm thinking July 4th but that's a US thing...) | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 992 Registered: 12-2010 |
Were the chemicals labeled? yes And someone misunderstood the labels? yes! Firecrackers relevant? no Is the date relevant? no, and the relevant fires didn't happen on the same date (I'm thinking July 4th but that's a US thing...) | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 456 Registered: 2-2011 |
did they misunderstand the storage instructions? this way up? store in a cool place? keep away from heat? keep out of direct sunlight? flammable? or what the chemicals were? petroleum products? paint? grain? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 760 Registered: 1-2011 |
For his Eureka! moment, did he make any general observation about people? Did he observe that people who are hired to care for chemicals know nothing about chemistry? or cannot read labels properly? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1005 Registered: 12-2010 |
did they misunderstand the storage instructions? yes this way up? store in a cool place? keep away from heat? keep out of direct sunlight? no to these flammable? YES or what the chemicals were? no petroleum products? paint? grain? unknown For his Eureka! moment, did he make any general observation about people? yope Did he observe that people who are hired to care for chemicals know nothing about chemistry? no or cannot read labels properly? noish | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12866 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did they think "inflammable" meant "not flammable"? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1008 Registered: 12-2010 |
Did they think "inflammable" meant "not flammable"? yes! Here's another RECAP, and of course googlepedia is allowed too. A man works for an insurance company and investigates fires. All the relevant fires are caused by people who misunderstood labels on chemicals, e.g. they thought "inflammable" meant "not flammable". After several of these fires, the man realises something that is related to those labels and understanding them. Keep in mind that he changed his profession! | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 514 Registered: 8-2001 |
Did he suggest adding something to the label? Changing the word used? Did he change his job to something in public safety? Become a latin teacher? (after he realized no one understands that the prefix "in" has two very different meanings...) | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12870 Registered: 4-2010 |
Were the chemicals meant for indoor use? Outdoor? Were they used indoors? Outdoors? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1010 Registered: 12-2010 |
Did he suggest adding something to the label? Changing the word used? Did he change his job to something in public safety? Become a latin teacher? (after he realized no one understands that the prefix "in" has two very different meanings...) no to all Were the chemicals meant for indoor use? Outdoor? Were they used indoors? Outdoors? irrel to all, assume they were used indoors | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 461 Registered: 2-2011 |
did he invent the international symbol for flammable? did he move into labelling? design? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1012 Registered: 12-2010 |
did he invent the international symbol for flammable? no did he move into labelling? design? no to both | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 767 Registered: 1-2011 |
Did he become politician? Or did he move to another job connected with projecting regulations? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1042 Registered: 12-2010 |
Did he become politician? Or did he move to another job connected with projecting regulations? no to both HINT: His realisation and his job change led to something that is nowadays known as the X-Y-hypothesis. Y is his last name, X is someone else's last name. | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 768 Registered: 1-2011 |
Did he become scientist? Did the hypothesis concern probabilities? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1046 Registered: 12-2010 |
Did he become scientist? I wouldn't call it "scientist" but he went into research - figure out which field Did the hypothesis concern probabilities? no | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 1587 Registered: 6-2008 |
Psychological research? Does the hypothesis concern what information people are likely to retain in their memory? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1050 Registered: 12-2010 |
Psychological research? no with a slight ish Does the hypothesis concern what information people are likely to retain in their memory? no | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 1597 Registered: 6-2008 |
Did his hypothesis (the "X-Y-hypothesis") actually relate to or explain the phenomenon of people misreading labels or other text? or did he just give up on trying to educate people about fire safety, and therefore do something else entirely? Is this hypothesis "serious", in the sense that it could be tested in experiments? or is it more humorous, like Murphy's Law? (I know that one was actually intended to be serious originally, but it seems that has gone by the wayside now) Does his area of research pertain to language? to cognitive science? to sociology? | ||
| Sapir (Sapir)
New member Username: Sapir Post Number: 1 Registered: 4-2011 |
I think I got it. Should I spoil the fun? | ||
| Sapir (Sapir)
New member Username: Sapir Post Number: 2 Registered: 4-2011 |
It's a language-skills-related area of research, no? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1102 Registered: 12-2010 |
Did his hypothesis (the "X-Y-hypothesis") actually relate to or explain the phenomenon of people misreading labels or other text? yesish to yope or did he just give up on trying to educate people about fire safety, and therefore do something else entirely? no Is this hypothesis "serious", in the sense that it could be tested in experiments? yes or is it more humorous, like Murphy's Law? no (I know that one was actually intended to be serious originally, but it seems that has gone by the wayside now) Does his area of research pertain to language? yes to cognitive science? a bit of that too to sociology? and this as well I think I got it. Should I spoil the fun? sure, go ahead (: It's a language-skills-related area of research, no? yes | ||
| Sapir (Sapir)
New member Username: Sapir Post Number: 6 Registered: 4-2011 |
This puzzle may refer to the so-called "Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis." This is basically a conjecture that the structure of language constrains the way its speakers may conceptualize their world-view. Whorf was an 'amateur' linguist in that had no formal academic recognition in the field. He was a Chemical Engineer working for an insurance company as a fire inspector and had been a student of Sapir. The story goes, that upon inspecting a chemical plant, Whorf observed that the plant had two storage rooms for gasoline barrels: one for full barrels and one for empty barrels. He noticed that while no employees smoked cigarettes in the room of full barrels, many smoked in the room of empty barrels. Smoking in the empty barrel room was more dangerous due to the inflammable vapors that existed in the barrels. A moment of thought would have revealed this to the workmen, so he conjectured that the use of the word 'empty' in connection with the barrels had led the workers to subtly perceive the empty barrels to be less dangerous than the full ones. There is much interesting information available on the internets via a search of the term: Sapir-Whorf. | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1104 Registered: 12-2010 |
Exactly! (: And another part of the story is that people had problems understanding that "inflammable" is the same thing as "flammable" sind "in" is usually used to indicate the contrary of something. Nice work, guys! | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 13009 Registered: 4-2010 |
I take it that's the Big S? (Clever puzzle!) | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1108 Registered: 12-2010 |
Yes, that was the ********SPOILER********. Speaking of spoilers, Sapir, we usually don't spell the word out until the puzzle is solved because otherwise it might automatically be moved to the "solved puzzles" section. We use $poyler or something like that instead (: | ||
| Sapir (Sapir)
New member Username: Sapir Post Number: 7 Registered: 4-2011 |
I understand now. Please forgive me. I will post a very nice puzzle and dedicate it to you, Doriana -- my first friend here. | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 3482 Registered: 9-2010 |
aww, Doriana is a very good friend to have =) I believe it was Balin who said LTPF'ers were "like the perfect friends". I'm still fairly new...I've only been here a few months. It's good to see another new person :-) Welcome, Sapir! |
