| Author | Message | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 407 Registered: 8-2001 |
Getting back into the groove and back into my LONG puzzle statements. What? I always turn these into stories. Sam wanted to meet Elliot, but Elliot did not want to meet Sam. Sam had something for Elliot but Elliot didn’t want it. After they met, Elliot was unhappy and hoped never to meet up with Sam again. The second time they met, Elliot still didn’t want to meet Sam. For his part, Sam hadn’t tried to meet Elliot again and, in fact, had 11,000 reasons to think he wouldn’t. Once again Sam had something for Elliot, which Elliot still didn’t want. Yet this time they met, they both laughed and shared quite a merry exchange. However, Elliot still hopes never to meet up with Sam again. Why? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 3362 Registered: 9-2010 |
Sam: H/A/M? Elliot: H/A/M? Are they relatives? Friends? Coworkers? Complete strangers (up until the first time they met, I suppose)? Is Elliot someone famous? Is Sam? Is Elliot in some sort of trouble with the law? Is Sam? Is Sam involved in law enforcement? is Elliot? Is this a true story? FYOI? FSEI? Does it take place on Earth? If so, LTPF lists of relevant: Centuries? Decades? Continents? Countries? please. | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 409 Registered: 8-2001 |
Sam: H/A/M? Elliot: H/A/M? Yes, both are human, adult, males Are they relatives? Friends? Coworkers? No to these Complete strangers (up until the first time they met, I suppose)? Yes Is Elliot someone famous? Is Sam? No to both Is Elliot in some sort of trouble with the law? Yes Is Sam? No Is Sam involved in law enforcement? Yes is Elliot? No Is this a true story? FYOI? FSEI? Does it take place on Earth? Based on a true story, set on Earth If so, LTPF lists of relevant: Centuries? Decades? Continents? Countries? please. *sigh* I never know if this convention of asking actually helps or just makes things harder.... No decades or centuries are terribly relevant. Let's say NOWish. UK and New Zealand are relevant-ish. Side note, what's FSEI again?? I recognize the others... | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 3363 Registered: 9-2010 |
FSEI = From someone else's imagination (like if you heard it from a friend, read this in a book, saw a tv show or movie about it, etc., as opposed to making it up yourself) | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 3364 Registered: 9-2010 |
So would it be correct to say that Sam is a policeman? chief of police? detective? Is Elliot a thief? burglar? murderer? rapist? (LTPF lists of relevant law enforcement occupations/crimes if not those, please, no way I'll think of them all...) | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 399 Registered: 2-2011 |
are the 11,000 reasons money? money that Elliott had given to Sam? that Sam had taken? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 416 Registered: 8-2001 |
Kayleetonkslupin So would it be correct to say that Sam is a policeman? chief of police? detective? policeman Is Elliot a thief? burglar? murderer? rapist? None of these (LTPF lists of relevant law enforcement occupations/crimes if not those, please, no way I'll think of them all...) Let me get back to you on this... Shez are the 11,000 reasons money? Nope money that Elliott had given to Sam? that Sam had taken? And thus Nope | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12730 Registered: 4-2010 |
But Elliot is a criminal, correct? Did he commit a crime against Sam? On another related track, did Sam commit a crime? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 418 Registered: 8-2001 |
But Elliot is a criminal, correct? DOYD, so Yope Did he commit a crime against Sam? No On another related track, did Sam commit a crime? No | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12737 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is Elliot's job relevant? Is Elliot also a policeman? Does he have a position of high influence? If yes to any of the previous questions, is he corrupt? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 422 Registered: 8-2001 |
Is Elliot's job relevant? Not at all Is Elliot also a policeman? No Does he have a position of high influence? Nope If yes to any of the previous questions, is he corrupt? And thus, Nope | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12742 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did Sam arrest Elliot? Is Elliot's crime high-profile? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 425 Registered: 8-2001 |
Did Sam arrest Elliot? No Is Elliot's crime high-profile? NO | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 405 Registered: 2-2011 |
is thing 1 the same as thing 2? thing 1 - tangible? money? news? advice? papers? thing 2 - tangible? money? news? advice? papers? was Elliott scared of Sam? did he not want to meet him because it was him or because of the thing he brought? the first time? the second time? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 724 Registered: 1-2011 |
We established that Elliot has a sort of trouble with the law. Is Elliot a victim of a crime? Is Elliot sued? Is Elliot accused of something? Did Elliot do something immoral, not necessarily a crime? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 436 Registered: 8-2001 |
Shez is thing 1 the same as thing 2? Yes thing 1 - tangible? money? news? advice? papers? thing 2 - tangible? money? news? advice? papers? Both are tangible, papers. was Elliott scared of Sam? No did he not want to meet him because it was him Yope… or because of the thing he brought? But more this. the first time? the second time? Both times. Redwine We established that Elliot has a sort of trouble with the law. Yes Is Elliot a victim of a crime? No Is Elliot sued? No Is Elliot accused of something? No Did Elliot do something immoral, not necessarily a crime? No Brief Recap/Refocus: The confusion about Elliot’s action is coming from these two questions. Kayleetonkslupin asked: “Is Elliot in some sort of trouble with the law?” Yes Balin clarified: “But Elliot is a criminal, correct?” DOYD, so Yope | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 411 Registered: 2-2011 |
the first time did Sam bring Elliott papers to sign? to return to him? to summons him? to show evidence of something? the second time - ditto please. are the 11000 reasons people? hectares/acres of land? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12758 Registered: 4-2010 |
Has Elliot been accused of a crime? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 444 Registered: 8-2001 |
Shez the first time did Sam bring Elliott papers to sign? I am not entirely sure…Maybe he signed them? to return to him? No to summons him? No to show evidence of something? No the second time - ditto please. Exact same answers for second time are the 11000 reasons people? No hectares/acres of land? No is thing 1 the same as thing 2? YES, for all intents and purposes Balin Has Elliot been accused of a crime? Yes | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1452 Registered: 9-2009 |
Seeing your comments in the chatroom, can you please insert [LTPF list of possible answers to this puzzle] ? :-) On a more serious note: Was Elliot accused of the crime by the state? By a private individual? Relevant? Was he in a trial at the time of the first meeting? The second? Was he ever convicted? Relevant the time between the first and the second meeting? Did they first meet in London and the second time in Auckland? The other way around? The two things: were they the same physical things or the same kind of things (as in different books as opposed to the physical same copy of a book)? The 11000 reasons -- exactly 11000, or just a metaphor for "many reasons"? If the former: 11000 units of currency? 11000 animals? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 449 Registered: 8-2001 |
Seeing your comments in the chatroom, can you please insert [LTPF list of possible answers to this puzzle] ? :-) Sure thing…OH, wait… Was Elliot accused of the crime by the state? Yes (if it would be called "the state" in UK and New Zealand) By a private individual? No Relevant? Yes, a little Was he in a trial at the time of the first meeting? The second? No to both Was he ever convicted? Yes, though this would be an odd way to put it Relevant the time between the first and the second meeting? Yes, in general (the specific time is not relevant) Did they first meet in London and the second time in Auckland? Technically it was outside London and then Wellington, but the exact locations aren’t relvant. The other way around? See above. The two things: were they the same physical things No, not literally the same one or the same kind of things Yes (as in different books as opposed to the physical same copy of a book)? But not in the way you describe in this example The 11000 reasons -- exactly 11000, Yes, close enough to exact or just a metaphor for "many reasons"? No If the former: 11000 units of currency? 11000 animals? No to both | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1454 Registered: 9-2009 |
Conviction -- did he spend time in jail? Was he otherwise punished (through a fine, for example)? Those who convicted them - legal authorities at the time? In UK? In New Zealand? Was he "convicted" before the first meeting? Before the second? After? Time between meetings : days? months? years? If the later: 1 year? 20+ years? In between? 11000 reasons: material things? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 456 Registered: 8-2001 |
Conviction -- did he spend time in jail? No Was he otherwise punished (through a fine, for example)? Yes Those who convicted them - legal authorities at the time? In UK? In New Zealand? Was he "convicted" before the first meeting? Before the second? After? No to all because of an FA Time between meetings : days? months? years? If the later: 1 year? 20+ years? In between? 2 years because this is based on a true story. Only relevant that it was a while. 11000 reasons: material things? No | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 457 Registered: 8-2001 |
We seem to be pretty stuck on this criminal / conviction thing. I would really caution using those terms because I don't think most people would in this situation. Let's put it this way: HINT: If Elliot would be called a convicted criminal, so would I. And a few others on this forum. So...criminal? Really?? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1456 Registered: 9-2009 |
So he was in trouble with the law, but not actually a criminal (DOYD), not sued, not accused of anything, correct? Are we excluding here criminal law? Had he a problem with the civil law (inheritances, etc)? The law of torts? Commerce law? Administrative law? Constitutional law? Private international law? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12765 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was Elliot's "crime" a common offense? Something like jaywalking? | ||
| Twilightseeker (Twilightseeker)
New member Username: Twilightseeker Post Number: 109 Registered: 2-2009 |
Did Elliot have some kind of traffic violation? Was he warned by Sam (policeman) for a minor offense? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 463 Registered: 8-2001 |
Rbruma So he was in trouble with the law, Yes but not actually a criminal (DOYD), Yes, I don't think any of you would call him a criminal not sued,Correct not accused of anything, correct? No accusing needed. He did it. Are we excluding here criminal law? I was going to say yes, the Internet says I'm wrong. Doens't matter anyway - see the last Qs below. Had he a problem with the civil law (inheritances, etc)? The law of torts? Commerce law? Administrative law? Constitutional law? Private international law? So no to these Balin Was Elliot's "crime" a common offense? YES Something like jaywalking? Not this...see below Twilightseeker Did Elliot have some kind of traffic violation? YES!! *twirls you* Your fellow puzzlers thank you. A traffic violation is breaking a law (thus committing a crime, thus "criminal" in the technical sense) but who would call someone who did this a criminal? Yes? Was he warned by Sam (policeman) for a minor offense? No | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 12774 Registered: 4-2010 |
Traffic violation: speeding? Running a red light? Running a stop sign? Not signaling? Just to make sure - he commits the violation while driving, right? Is he driving a car? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 472 Registered: 8-2001 |
Traffic violation: speeding? This one Running a red light? Running a stop sign? Not signaling? Not these Just to make sure - he commits the violation while driving, right? Yep Is he driving a car? Yes, but Irr. | ||
| Twilightseeker (Twilightseeker)
New member Username: Twilightseeker Post Number: 112 Registered: 2-2009 |
So the "things" are traffic tickets? Does the "11,000" refer to a price as well? a fee? a measurement of time? space (distance, width, length, weight, etc.)? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1459 Registered: 9-2009 |
11000... miles? Like the distance between UK and New Zealand? Did he get the first ticket in one country and the second in the other, and was surprised to see the same police officer in both cases? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 475 Registered: 8-2001 |
Twilightseeker So the "things" are traffic tickets? Yes Does the "11,000" refer to a price as well? a fee? a measurement of time? space (distance, width, length, weight, etc.)? Distance Rbruma 11000... miles? Yes Like the distance between UK and New Zealand? Yes! Did he get the first ticket in one country and the second in the other, and was surprised to see the same police officer in both cases? YES!! That about wraps this one up. Well done, Rbruma! Time for a… | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 476 Registered: 8-2001 |
***************** SPOILER ***************** The first time they met, Sam stopped Elliot outside London and issued him a speeding ticket. Much to both men’s surprise, two years later, Sam again stopped Elliot and gave him a speeding ticket…in Wellington, New Zealand! Drawn from the news blurb below… New Zealand traffic officer Andy Flitton cited an unnamed speeder recently for the second time in two years -- 11,000 miles from the spot of the first ticket. Flitton had moved from the U.K. to New Zealand, and unknown to him, the motorist himself had relocated to New Zealand last year. When Flitton stopped the man in Wellington in December 2010, the motorist recognized Flitton as the one who had ticketed him on the A5 highway near London. [Agence France-Presse, 12-7-2010] Thanks to all who played! Hopefully, it was a fun journey getting to the solution. | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1462 Registered: 9-2009 |
Since I was a "criminal" myself more than once, I will stay here for a while. Hopefully the officers will relocate, all by themselves :-) Nice one. Thanks! | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 418 Registered: 2-2011 |
Thanks Vesica, I really enjoyed this one | ||
| Twilightseeker (Twilightseeker)
New member Username: Twilightseeker Post Number: 121 Registered: 2-2009 |
That's a great story, and a fun puzzle consequently! Thanks. | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 482 Registered: 8-2001 |
Rbruma - Now there's a thought. I wonder if they will all relocate. Glad you all enjoyed! |
