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Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
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John, being a sneaky rascal, figured out a way to deceive a lot of people out of money. Although he managed to execute his plan successfully, he was forced to stop after 11 days.
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He1=his=he2=John=HAM?
FOYI? FSEI? True story?

Forced to stop...to avoid arrest? to avoid his victims? to avoid bankruptcy?

Are fathers relevant? birthdays?
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He1=his=he2=John=HAM? Yes to all

FOYI? FSEI? True story? FMOI, with some aspects of a true story involved

Forced to stop...to avoid arrest? to avoid his victims? to avoid bankruptcy? None of these

Are fathers relevant? birthdays? My dad's birthday is laterally relevant, however for reasons I can't explain without giving away too much, I won't allow the [LTPF List of Days] or even the [LTPF List of months] And no creeping on my dad's facebook.
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Did the plan stop working after 11 days? If he had started earlier, could he have kept it up for more than 11 days? Did he know beforehand that he would be forced to stop? If so, did he know it would be after 11 days? Did another person force him to stop? Was he discovered? Punished? Relevant?
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Getting the money from people:
Are they giving it to him willingly?
Is he stealing it?
Borrowing it?
Is it physical cash?
Or money moving between accounts?
Something a little less direct like using services they have paid for?

Did they know about the money loss?
Is he deceiving them as individuals?
Or as a group? Say "costing the US taxpayers"?
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One more I just thought of...

Are the 11 days consecutive?
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What about the [LTPF list of seasons]? Is that legal?
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Did the plan stop working after 11 days? Yesish, DOYD of "stop working" If he had started earlier, could he have kept it up for more than 11 days? No, FA Did he know beforehand that he would be forced to stop? Yes If so, did he know it would be after 11 days? Yes Did another person force him to stop? No Was he discovered? DOYD of "discovered", but not relevant Punished? Assume no Relevant? Not really

Getting the money from people:
Are they giving it to him willingly? DOYD of "willingly"
Is he stealing it? DOYD of "stealing"
Borrowing it? No
Is it physical cash? Assume yes
Or money moving between accounts? So assume no
Something a little less direct like using services they have paid for? Assume no, but it could be I suppose

Did they know about the money loss? Yes
Is he deceiving them as individuals? this
Or as a group? Say "costing the US taxpayers"? So no


Are the 11 days consecutive? Yes

What about the [LTPF list of seasons]? Is that legal? I'm not going to play 20 Questions with regards to the date, so no.
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Is he committing a crime? Fraud? Embezzlement?

Does he work at a bank? Are interest rates relevant?
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Is he committing a crime? Probably not Fraud? Embezzlement?

Does he work at a bank? Are interest rates relevant? None of these
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Is the date a holiday?

Is it relevant how many people he got the money from? If so, tens? Hundreds? Thousands?
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I don't know the English term for it, if there is one, but is the so-called "Enkeltrick" (="grandchild trick") relevant, i.e. a person tells his (possibly already somewhat demented) victim that he is their grandchild and has grave fincancial problems and he wants his victim to help him by giving him money?
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Does he tell people he needs money for something? Medical treatment? Does he pretend he works for some kind of (charity) organisation? Does he sell products that don't actually work (e.g. diet pills)?

Is he face to face with the people he deceives? Or does he do it on the phone? Via internet?

Was he forced to stop after 11 days by someone? something? something he couldn't control (like weather?)?
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Is the date a holiday? No

Is it relevant how many people he got the money from? No If so, tens? Hundreds? Thousands?

I don't know the English term for it, if there is one, but is the so-called "Enkeltrick" (="grandchild trick") relevant, i.e. a person tells his (possibly already somewhat demented) victim that he is their grandchild and has grave fincancial problems and he wants his victim to help him by giving him money? No, OTWT

Does he tell people he needs money for something? Medical treatment? Does he pretend he works for some kind of (charity) organisation? Does he sell products that don't actually work (e.g. diet pills)? No to all, OTWT

Is he face to face with the people he deceives? this Or does he do it on the phone? Via internet?

Was he forced to stop after 11 days by someone? something? something he couldn't control This is probably closest (like weather?)? But not this
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Did the people give him money in exchange for something else? If so, something tangible? Would it have worked with 11 non-consecutive days? Do they give him money because they want to? Do they know they have been deceived? If so: immediately? After a certain time? After a certain event? after 11 days? Is he selling something that's not his to sell? Such as selling the Eiffel tower for scrap?
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Did the people give him money in exchange for something else? No If so, something tangible? Would it have worked with 11 non-consecutive days? Sort-ofish, but thinking this could lead to an FA Do they give him money because they want to? yes for svv of "want' Do they know they have been deceived? Yes If so: immediately? After a certain time? After a certain event? Not really sure how to answer this: by the time they actually hand over the money, they know they have been deceived. But by then it's too late. after 11 days? see above Is he selling something that's not his to sell? Such as selling the Eiffel tower for scrap? lol, no
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Were they being blackmailed? Had they already agreed to turn over the money?
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is he making a bet with them?

is the date at the end of the 11 days relevant? is it the end of a year? a month? is his age relevant?
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Were they being blackmailed? No Had they already agreed to turn over the money? yesish, see below

is he making a bet with them? YES!


is the date at the end of the 11 days relevant? Yes! is it the end of a year? a month? is his age relevant? No to all
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is he a con man who made bets with people which sounded like a sure thing?

that something would or would not happen by Christmas? Thanksgiving? New Year?
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is he a con man who made bets with people which sounded like a sure thing? Yes, slight ish possibly

that something would or would not happen by Christmas? Thanksgiving? New Year? No to all, very much OTWT
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Did he get money from everyone he made the bets with? Did a certain event happen at the end of the 11 days?
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You said that the date at the end of the 11 days was relevant. Could he only have done this one spesific year? Or is it possible to replicate this again, next year for instance, on the same end date?
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Did he get money from everyone he made the bets with? Assume yes Did a certain event happen at the end of the 11 days? Noish

You said that the date at the end of the 11 days was relevant. Could he only have done this one spesific year? <b> No </> Or is it possible to replicate this again, next year for instance, on the same end date? yes!!! :-)
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Do the 11 days end at the end of a month?
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Do the 11 days end at the end of a month? No
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Hint: Focus on the day he started as well as the day he ended.
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Did he start at the beginning of a month?
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Did he start at the beginning of a month? no...
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Asking a very basic question about the day might be of significant help.
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Is DST relevant?
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Is DST relevant? Not at all.
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Does it have to be a spesific day of the week, as well as a spesific date? Will this be possible ONLY once a year?
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Does it have to be a spesific day of the week, No as well as a spesific date? YES! Will this be possible ONLY once a year? YES!
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Is a holiday relevant? Leap years? February? Is culture relevant? Or will it work anywhere in the world?
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Is a holiday relevant? Leap years? February? Is culture relevant? No to all, except leap years are laterally relevant Or will it work anywhere in the world? There are a few places where one might encounter difficulty. But that's only because the date on the Gregorian Calendar is relevant and not all cultures use the Gregorian Calendar. Exploring this might be useful, though.
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Is the 1st day a special day in the Gregorian calendar? Another calendar?

Same questions for the 11th day? The day after the 11th? The day before the 1st?
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Is the 1st day a special day in the Gregorian calendar? yes for svv of "special" Another calendar? No

Same questions for the 11th day? Yes for svv of "special", no to rest The day after the 11th? The day before the 1st?
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Are different conventions on writing dates relevant? such as MM-DD vs DD-MM? will it only work with a certain convention? Would it have worked in the previous millennium?
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Are different conventions on writing dates relevant? such as MM-DD vs DD-MM? will it only work with a certain convention? Conventions are irrelevant Would it have worked in the previous millennium? It would have worked any time after a certain year, although it would have been less likely to work immediately after.
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twelfth night?
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twelfth night? irr
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Is a holiday relevant at all?
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Is a holiday relevant at all? No
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Is a birthday relevant?
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The certain year: later than: 1900? 1950? 1990? Is the year relevant only because of the number representing it? Or did something happen that year? Roman numerals relevant?
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Is a birthday relevant? Only in that the day John started happens to be my dad's birthday. But for this reason I won't give away what that day is

The certain year: later than: 1900? 1950? 1990? no to all Is the year relevant only because of the number representing it? No Or did something happen that year? I'm really not sure how to answer this the way it's phrased. I'm going to say no. That could either be incredibly misleading or incredibly useful depending on how you use it. Roman numerals relevant? No
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Is this anything to do with the changeover from the Julian to Gregorian calendar in 1582 (and the loss of 10 days in October 1582)?

(Every year between 4th and 15th October he could bet these suckers that nothing happened exactly [current year minus 1582] years ago)
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The certain year: later than: 1900? 1950? 1990? no to all

So does this mean it happened before 1900?
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Is this anything to do with the changeover from the Julian to Gregorian calendar in 1582 (and the loss of 10 days in October 1582)?

(Every year between 4th and 15th October he could bet these suckers that nothing happened exactly [current year minus 1582] years ago) I was referring to England in 1752, but close enough for a


*****SPOILER******
Basically, John bet everyone that they "couldn't name ANYTHING that happened in England on this day in 1752". If they said they couldn't honestly think of anything and so wouldn't take the bet, he told them "Make it as mundane and simple as you like. It doesn't have to be a major occurrence". So then they'll say something like "Someone went to the bathroom" at which point John would inform them that they were WRONG, laugh at them, and take their money. He would start this on September 3rd, but naturally on September 14th he would have to stop because things did actually happen on that day in 1752. Good job everyone, and good job Docd getting the last part.
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A really clever puzzle, nice! I'm sorry I gave up so early.

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