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| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 6584 Registered: 8-2001 |
A well-known murder mystery set in academia gives a perfect illustration of what's wrong with the values of many professors. How come?? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 3510 Registered: 9-2010 |
The banana did it? Lol, just wondering if "Smooth Criminal" is relevant... | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 588 Registered: 8-2001 |
Well-known murder mystery... From real life? From a book? A movie? A TV show? A play? The questionable values: Relating to getting tenure? Publishing? Publish or perish, taken literally? Getting full professorship? Amanda Cross relevant? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 13168 Registered: 4-2010 |
Agatha Christie relevant? The relevant academia - college? Prep school? High school? Elementary school? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 6585 Registered: 8-2001 |
Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin) New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 3510 Registered: 9-2010 Posted on Saturday, April 16, 2011 - 12:21 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) The banana did it? noooooooooo Lol, just wondering if "Smooth Criminal" is relevant... no Vesica (Vesica) New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 588 Registered: 8-2001 Posted on Saturday, April 16, 2011 - 5:09 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Well-known murder mystery... From real life? From a book? A movie? A TV show? A play? from a novel The questionable values: Relating to getting tenure?not specifically Publishing? yes Publish or perish, taken literally? no Getting full professorship? not specifically Amanda Cross relevant?ICK--NO!! I LOATHE HER NAME-DROPPING, HACKNEYED FEMINIST RHETORIC, CARDBOARD CHARACTERS, & LIMP PLOTS. YEECH!!!! Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 13168 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Saturday, April 16, 2011 - 5:45 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Agatha Christie relevant? no. Of course, you can guess the novelist, but wouldn't it be more in the true lateral spirit to solve the puzzle by logic rather than by identifying the novel it comes from? The relevant academia - college? Prep school? High school? Elementary school? In fact it's college, but it would work at most earlier levels (although less well at elem. school, maybe | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 13189 Registered: 4-2010 |
Stealing another's ideas? Taking excess credit? So...I take it you don't like Amanda Cross? (I've never heard of her.) | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 6588 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 13189 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Saturday, April 16, 2011 - 9:02 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Stealing another's ideas? Taking excess credit?Well, academic dishonesty in general, The particular example in the murder mystery involves faking data, but your examples would work just as well. So...I take it you don't like Amanda Cross? (I've never heard of her.) She's THE PITS!! | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 13195 Registered: 4-2010 |
Would the problem with profs' values be that they're willing to do anything for academic recognition? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 512 Registered: 2-2011 |
or that fame or recognition are more important than pure pursuit of knowledge? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 6590 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin (Balin) New member Username: Balin Post Number: 13195 Registered: 4-2010 Posted on Saturday, April 16, 2011 - 9:34 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Would the problem with profs' values be that they're willing to do anything for academic recognition?irrel (note that I didn't say false!! (although the 'anything' would hardly include murder) Shez (Shez) New member Username: Shez Post Number: 512 Registered: 2-2011 Posted on Saturday, April 16, 2011 - 9:40 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) or that fame or recognition are more important than pure pursuit of knowledge? irrel (note again that I didn't say false!!) | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1150 Registered: 12-2010 |
In the murder mystery, does one prof kill another prof? does a prof kill a non-prof? vice versa? Is more than one person killed? Does a prof kill another prof because s/he wants to publish his/her work afterwards? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 6591 Registered: 8-2001 |
Doriana (Doriana) New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1150 Registered: 12-2010 Posted on Saturday, April 16, 2011 - 10:50 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) In the murder mystery, does one prof kill another prof? nodoes a prof kill a non-prof?yesvice versa? no Is more than one person killed? yes Does a prof kill another prof because s/he wants to publish his/her work afterwards? no | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1151 Registered: 12-2010 |
Does the prof (H/A/M?) kill a student? a research assistant? a relative? a friend? someone "who knew too much"? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 6592 Registered: 8-2001 |
Doriana (Doriana) New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1151 Registered: 12-2010 Posted on Saturday, April 16, 2011 - 11:45 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Does the prof (H yes/A yes/M yes but irrel?) kill a student? noa research assistant? no a relative? noa friend? no someone "who knew too much"? yes, BUT the bad values of the murderer are not the point of this puzzle | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1164 Registered: 12-2010 |
So the bad values of many profs are not the bad values of the murderer, right? Are they the values of the victim? Or the values of the witnesses? (Were there any?) | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 6594 Registered: 8-2001 |
Doriana (Doriana) New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1164 Registered: 12-2010 Posted on Sunday, April 17, 2011 - 7:34 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) So the bad values of many profs are not the bad values of the murderer, right? probably, anyway, it's irrelAre they the values of the victim? noOr the values of the witnesses? see next answer(Were there any? no) | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 617 Registered: 8-2001 |
Note to self: Do not ask Nimue about Amanda Cross, ever. The values of the professors were shown by: Their reaction to the crime(s)? Their reaction to finding a body? Their actions during the investigation? Their actions during the crime? Their inactions at some point? We have one murderer, correct? Is this relevant? More than one victim? Is this relevant? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 6595 Registered: 8-2001 |
Vesica (Vesica) New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 617 Registered: 8-2001 Posted on Monday, April 18, 2011 - 5:32 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Note to self: Do not ask Nimue about Amanda Cross, ever. Why? Do you object to hearing privileged people get criticized? The values of the professors were shown by: Their reaction to the crime(s)? yes Their reaction to finding a body? no Their actions during the investigation? see above Their actions during the crime? no Their inactions at some point? no We have one murderer, correct? yes Is this relevant? no More than one victim? yes--three Is this relevant? yes--it strengthens the objectionablilty of the professors' attitude | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 622 Registered: 8-2001 |
Why? Do you object to hearing privileged people get criticized? *laughs* No, I was just taken aback by the vehemence of your response. It was a little "WHOA! Don't hold back or anything. Tell me how you REALLY feel about her writing... I think I got myself sidetracked with the mention of a certain author... Do we know what field these professors are in? Is this relevant? Literature? Social sciences? Natural Sciences? Law? Business? Fine Arts? Medical? | ||
| Twilightseeker (Twilightseeker)
New member Username: Twilightseeker Post Number: 184 Registered: 2-2009 |
Did the professor(s) show apathy toward the murder(s)? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 6598 Registered: 8-2001 |
Vesica (Vesica) New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 622 Registered: 8-2001 Posted on Monday, April 18, 2011 - 6:44 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Why? Do you object to hearing privileged people get criticized? *laughs* No, I was just taken aback by the vehemence of your response. It was a little "WHOA! Don't hold back or anything. Tell me how you REALLY feel about her writing... Well, bad writing REALLY sets my teeth on edge. What about my own bad writing? I usually don't recognize its badness till it's too late, alas. I think I got myself sidetracked with the mention of a certain author... Do we know what field these professors are in? no Is this relevant? no, but it's anthropology Literature? Social sciences? Natural Sciences? Law? Business? Fine Arts? Medical? Twilightseeker (Twilightseeker) New member Username: Twilightseeker Post Number: 184 Registered: 2-2009 Posted on Monday, April 18, 2011 - 8:12 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did the professor(s) show apathy toward the murder(s)? no, but you're VERY, VERY ORT | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 631 Registered: 8-2001 |
Did the professors ignore the murders entirely? Dismissed them as not important because: Too many people were killed? Too few? Out of their scope of interest? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 632 Registered: 8-2001 |
This reminds me of a joke on a T-shirt for history majors/profs/geeks: "I'd be more interested in you if you were dead." | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 6602 Registered: 8-2001 |
Vesica (Vesica) New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 631 Registered: 8-2001 Posted on Monday, April 18, 2011 - 9:00 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did the professors ignore the murders entirely? Dismissed them as not important because: Too many people were killed? Too few? Out of their scope of interest?no to all | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 637 Registered: 8-2001 |
Did the professors have a reaction to the murders? Did they want to analyze them? Write a paper on them? Fight over who got to publish a paper on them? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 534 Registered: 2-2011 |
is it that the professors were more interested in what would happen to the persons work than the fact that someone had been murdered? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 6606 Registered: 8-2001 |
Shez (Shez) New member Username: Shez Post Number: 534 Registered: 2-2011 Posted on Tuesday, April 19, 2011 - 1:31 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) is it that the professors were more interested in what would happen to the persons work than the fact that someone had been murdered? This is close enough for me to declare a ******** SPOILER ************* In the wonderful mystery Dance Hall of the Dead, by Tony Hillerman, a graduate student in anthropology finds that his professor was faking archeological remains ("salting the site") & murders 3 boys who found out. The academic dishonesty upsets him far than three murders! Speaking of spoilers, I'm afraid I've spoiled this wonderful murder mystery for you. But please check out my new puzzle anyway. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 545 Registered: 2-2011 |
thanks Nimue, nice puzzle! | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 700 Registered: 8-2001 |
Well, killing people is wrong, but academic dishonesty? Is there no honor in the world? Very nice puzzle, Nimue! | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 6626 Registered: 8-2001 |
The murder mystery is so good you may like it even though I gave away the ending. |
