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Vesica (Vesica)
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Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2011 - 5:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Due to a common practice, Mel was paid though his work was unusable. This outcome pleased both Mel and his employers.

Later, a death resulted in his work being seen by over 900,000 people. The people were saddened by Mel's work. His employers were once again pleased and Mel had no reaction at all.

Why?
Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2011 - 5:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Title relevant at all?

The death - of a person? Of Mel? Of one of his employers?

Is Mel H? A? M?
Vesica (Vesica)
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Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2011 - 5:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Title relevant at all? Yes, in a lateral way

The death - of a person? Yes
Of Mel? No
Of one of his employers? No

Is Mel H? A? M? Yes, HAM
Balin (Balin)
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Is the person related to Mel? Someone Mel knew? Worked with?
Vesica (Vesica)
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Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2011 - 6:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the person related to Mel?No
Someone Mel knew? Yope
Worked with? No, with a very slight "ish".
Noel (Noel)
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Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2011 - 8:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does Mel work in an industry that is normally associated with Death? (e.g. funeral home, cemetery caretaker)
Vesica (Vesica)
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Does Mel work in an industry that is normally associated with Death? Yes
(e.g. funeral home, cemetery caretaker) But not these.
Noel (Noel)
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Could Mel's work be described as artistic? technical? scientific? medical? physical labor?
Noel (Noel)
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Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2011 - 12:47 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ooh, I had another train of thought...

Is Mel's work associated with death after someone dies? or before?
Twilightseeker (Twilightseeker)
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Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2011 - 1:00 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is he an undertaker?
Vesica (Vesica)
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Noel
Could Mel's work be described as artistic? Yes
technical? No
scientific? No
medical? No
physical labor? No

Ooh, I had another train of thought... Those can be good...

Is Mel's work associated with death after someone dies? or before? After

Twilightseeker
Is he an undertaker? No
Lynne (Lynne)
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Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2011 - 4:37 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does Mel carve headstones?
Twilightseeker (Twilightseeker)
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Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2011 - 6:04 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does he make scary dead people look nice for their funerals?
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Oh...or, does he paint portraits of dead people before they decompose? Several pretty well known portraits were actually done after their subjects were dead...
Shez (Shez)
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Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2011 - 12:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

does Mel work in a slaughterhouse?

is the death that of an animal?

is Mel responsible for the disposal of corpses or parts of them?

organ donation relevant?
Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2011 - 2:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Death masks?
Vesica (Vesica)
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Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2011 - 2:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Lynne
Does Mel carve headstones? No

Twilightseeker
Does he make scary dead people look nice for their funerals? No
Oh...or, does he paint portraits of dead people before they decompose? Nope

Several pretty well known portraits were actually done after their subjects were dead...
Huh, I did not know that. I guess it would eliminate having to tell your subject to "hold still".

Shez
Does Mel work in a slaughterhouse? No
Is the death that of an animal? Yes, but...
Is Mel responsible for the disposal of corpses or parts of them? No
Organ donation relevant? No

Balin
Death masks? No
Vesica (Vesica)
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Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2011 - 2:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Shez-
Is the death that of an animal? Yes, but...
Ahem, I didn't remember that Balin had already asked,
Death of a person?
To which the answer was "Yes". So "Yes, a human animal".

Sorry to mislead.
Shez (Shez)
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Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2011 - 4:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

my bad - I should have been paying attention

does Mel communicate with the spirits of the dead? or pretend to?
Vesica (Vesica)
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Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2011 - 4:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does Mel communicate with the spirits of the dead? No
Or pretend to? No
Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2011 - 7:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does Mel work at a cemetery? A funeral home?
Vesica (Vesica)
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Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2011 - 7:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does Mel work at a cemetery? No
A funeral home? No
Noel (Noel)
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Is Mel a floral arranger?
Noel (Noel)
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Do people see Mel's work at a funeral ceremony (the indoor part)? At a wake? At a viewing? At a burial? At a crematorium? In an obituary? Other places in a newspaper?
Vesica (Vesica)
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Is Mel a floral arranger? No
Do people see Mel's work at a funeral ceremony (the indoor part)? No
At a wake? No
At a viewing? No
At a burial? No
At a crematorium? No
In an obituary? YES
Other places in a newspaper? No

Returning to the puzzle statement - what's the common practice? Why did Mel have no reaction? And, for bonus points - Who died and what does my title have to do with anything?
Shez (Shez)
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Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2011 - 8:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is the common practice that of writing obituaries in advance for famous people?

then one of them dies and people read the obituary...did Mel not react because it was just his job? or he didn't even know because someone had just grabbed the obit from a file and published it?

had Mel himself died too?
Vesica (Vesica)
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Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2011 - 8:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the common practice that of writing obituaries in advance for famous people? YES!

Then one of them dies and people read the obituary... Yes
did Mel not react because it was just his job? No
Or he didn't even know because someone had just grabbed the obit from a file and published it? He didn't know...

Had Mel himself died too? ...because of this!

So, anyone want to take a stab at who the obit was for? If not, I will post a you-know-what later tonight.
Shez (Shez)
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is the common practice that of writing obituaries in advance for famous people?

then one of them dies and people read the obituary...did Mel not react because it was just his job? or he didn't even know because someone had just grabbed the obit from a file and published it?

had Mel himself died too?
Shez (Shez)
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Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2011 - 8:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

had Mel died 6 years earlier?
Vesica (Vesica)
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Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2011 - 8:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Your questions double-posted. I answered the first set...See above.

Had Mel died 6 years earlier? YES
Twilightseeker (Twilightseeker)
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Posted on Friday, April 22, 2011 - 1:49 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So, Mel had written his own obituary before he died?
Balin (Balin)
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Oh, shoot, I remember this story. It wasn't his own...but who was it? It was someone famous who just recently died...*checks Wikipedia list of people who died in 2011*...

Elizabeth Taylor?
Vesica (Vesica)
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Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2011 - 8:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So, Mel had written his own obituary before he died? No

Elizabeth Taylor? YES and now...

**** SPOILER *****

The majority of the text used in the New York Times obit of Elizabeth Taylor, published March 23, 2011, was written by Mel Gussow. Oddly enough, he couldn’t really appreciate this fact having died in late 2005, almost six years before Taylor herself passed away. It is a common practice among Obit departments/staff to keep partially complete obits on famous people in an archive, sometimes updating them over numerous decades until the text is needed.

You can read Mr. Gussow’s work HERE.
Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
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Posted on Sunday, April 24, 2011 - 4:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oh. As I recall, a few years ago CNN.com accidentaly published obituaries for several celebrities and politicians including Dick Cheney even though they weren't dead.
Vesica (Vesica)
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Posted on Monday, April 25, 2011 - 2:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

That does happen sometimes!

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