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Nimue (Nimue)
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You don't have to be an American to identify this passive scrund about the US presidency. (A passive scrund is a scrund you've never thought about but that you realize you had when you're surprised to learn that it's false.)
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Is the scrund about a particular president? About characteristics of US presidents in general? About the election process? The responsibilities of the president? The powers of the president? The order of presidents? The number of presidents? Term length? Inauguration? State of the Union? Commander in Chief?
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Electoral College relevant? 2000 Election crisis?
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Requirements to run for President?
How party candidates are selected?
The fact presidents receive minimal pay?
The fact presidents must surrender personal accounts while serving?
Secret Service relevant?
White House relevant?
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Is the scrund about a particular president? About characteristics of US presidents in general? About the election process? The responsibilities of the president? The powers of the president? The order of presidents? The number of presidents? Term length? Inauguration? State of the Union? Commander in Chief?
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Electoral College relevant? no 2000 Election crisis? no
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Requirements to run for President? no
How party candidates are selected? no
The fact presidents receive minimal pay? no
The fact presidents must surrender personal accounts while serving? no
Secret Service relevant? no
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you missed my questions. You copied and pasted them, but didn't actually answer them
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Is the scrund about a particular president? no About characteristics of US presidents in general? noish or yope About the election process? no The responsibilities of the president no The powers of the president? no The order of presidents? no The number of presidents? no Term length? noInauguration? no State of the Union? no Commander in Chief? no
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you missed my questions. You copied and pasted them, but didn't actually answer them Ooops! rectified, with my perennial apologies.See above
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Is the scrund about:
What presidents do?
Where presidents live?
How presidents sign their name/title?
About the word "president"?
Why the US has presidents?
What happens after their term ends?
Presidential families?
How they travel?
How they become president?
Some seal/title/protocol about being president?
The White house? The Oval office?

President of the United States?
Or President of something in the US?

Is this scrund possible now?
Has it always been?
Historical period relevant?
Equally common among men and women?
Equally common among Americans and non-Americans?
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Is the scrund about:
What presidents do?yope
Where presidents live? no
How presidents sign their name/title? no
About the word "president"? no
Why the US has presidents? no
What happens after their term ends? yope
Presidential families? no
How they travel? no
How they become president? no
Some seal/title/protocol about being president? no
The White house? no The Oval office? no

President of the United States? yes
Or President of something in the US? no

Is this scrund possible now?b{ yes}
Has it always been? yope
Historical period relevant? yope
Equally common among men and women? I assume so
Equally common among Americans and non-Americans? It may be more common among Americans, but I don't really know
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Oh no! Does anyone actually know what Presidents DO?

Term limits relevant?
Running for re-election relevant?
The fact they are still referred to as "President" after their term?
Payment post-term relevant?
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Instead of what happens after their term ends, is it about what DOESN'T happen after it ends? What happens at the end of their term? What presidents DON'T do, rather than what they do?
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Oh no! Does anyone actually know what Presidents DO?

Term limits relevant? no
Running for re-election relevant? no
The fact they are still referred to as "President" after their term? no
Payment post-term relevant? no
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Instead of what happens after their term ends, is it about what DOESN'T happen after it ends? yes or yesish What happens at the end of their term? no What presidents DON'T do, rather than what they do? yesish
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HINT: The scrund is about a particular aspect of the job of being US President.
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Commander-in-chief of the US Military? Head of state? Head of government? The difference between "head of state" and "head of government"? Did you assume every world leader had both roles? When in reality, many (most) countries have two different people for those?
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Commander-in-chief of the US Military?see next answer Head of state? see next answer Head of government? The scrund is about the job of Us president in general & doesn't make these fine distinctions The difference between "head of state" and "head of government"? Did you assume every world leader had both roles? no When in reality, many (most) countries have two different people for those? no
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Is the balance of powers between branches of government relevant?
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Is the scrund about whether the president legally counts as a government employee? with work contract?
about his salary? about job benefits for him and his family (like health insurance, free accomodation, free travel within the country)
Relevant that he is on duty 24 hours, 7 days?
Something the US president is not allowed to do while being in office? (like: having a second job? having other sources of income? accepting medals, awards, gifts from foreign countries?)
Did you think that a president would never return to his previous job after his term has ended? (but James Carter and Bill Clinton did?)
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Is the scrund about whether the president legally counts as a government employee? no with work contract? no
about his salary? noabout job benefits for him and his family (like health insurance, free accomodation, free travel within the country) no
Relevant that he is on duty 24 hours, 7 days?noish or maybe yope
Something the US president is not allowed to do while being in office? (like: having a second job? having other sources of income? accepting medals, awards, gifts from foreign countries?) no to all
Did you think that a president would never return to his previous job after his term has ended? no(but James Carter and Bill Clinton did?)
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Are the president's vacations relevant?
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Are the president's vacations relevant? not specifically
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Camp David or other "working weekends?" Foreign trips?
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Camp David or other "working weekends?"No more than other parts of the job Foreign trips? ditto
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HINT: This scrund involves something bad about the job of US president
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Does the scrund involve:
nuclear weapons?
deciding about military matters?
the president's responsibility for his decisions?
capital punishment?
the president's family?
his friends?
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Are any security measures relevant? The Secret Service?
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Something about the Presidential Curse afflicting all presidents elected in a year ending with 0?

(For quite a long time, all presidents elected in such a year were assassinated. There was an attempt on Reagan, and Bush Jr....Well, I don't think an attempt was made on him, but he certainly didn't have the best time in office, to say the least. Here's what I'm talking about.}

The Presidential Curse
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Well, I take that back. Not *all* were assassinated. It's past 10:30 and my brain got fuzzy. But they did die in office, whether from assassination or another cause. Not always in the first term, either...so the "curse" apparently predicted re-election for some...
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There was an assassination attempt on Bush. Actually, there was more than one. But there has been at lest one attempt on every president since Nixon, with the exception of Obama, but he's not done yet, and several plots have been foiled by the FBI. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_assassination_attempts_and_plots#George_W._Bush for more info.
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Does the scrund involve:
nuclear weapons? no
deciding about military matters? no
the president's responsibility for his decisions? no
capital punishment? no
the president's family? no
his friends? no
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Are any security measures relevant?yope The Secret Service? ditto
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Something about the Presidential Curse afflicting all presidents elected in a year ending with 0? no but you're ORTish}

(For quite a long time, all presidents elected in such a year were assassinated. There was an attempt on Reagan, and Bush Jr....Well, I don't think an attempt was made on him, but he certainly didn't have the best time in office, to say the least. Here's what I'm talking about.}
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HINT: Think of undesirable dimensions along which jobs are ranked.
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*does some fact checking*

Looks like four presidents were assassinated in office (which equals about 9%). Relevant?
Another four presidents died in office. Relevant? All in all, this would add up to a bit more than 18% who died in office which probably makes it one of the most dangerous jobs. Relevant?
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*does some fact checking*

Looks like four presidents were assassinated in office (which equals about 9%). Relevant?
Another four presidents died in office. Relevant? All in all, this would add up to a bit more than 18% who died in office which probably makes it one of the most dangerous jobs. Relevant? yes!!

********* SPOILER *************
Did you ever wonder what is the most dangerous job in the US, in the sense of having the highest fatality rate? Regardless of whether you did, I bet you'll be surprised to hear that it's US President! Of course, most people in this job are fairly old men (a group with a high death rate), but they're also privileged white men. Check out my new puzzle!
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Considered this way, the most dangerous job in the world is possibly pope, as nearly all popes died in office...
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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Well, I guess the real question is how the death rate for people in this job compares with that of controls (matched for age & sex, etc.) who are not in that job. Being Pope probably does not increase one's risk of death the way being US President does (although the sample is so small that this may bee more an oddity than a real risk}

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