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Vesica (Vesica)
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Arnie failed due to a poor choice on his part and was left measurably worse off. However, I (Ves) was left much better off, as I learned a new term to describe his particular brand of failure.

What did Arnie fail at and what’s the term?
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Fail - academics relevant? Something that might end up on Failblog?
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Fail - academics relevant? No
Something that might end up on Failblog? I am not overly familiar with the full scope of Failblog, so I can't really answer this.
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Did he fail at a task? A goal?

Arnie - H? A? M?
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Did he fail at a task?
A goal? More this.

Arnie - H? A? M? Yes, HAM.
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Did he fail only once? More than once? Did he fail in a particularly stupid fashion?
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Did he fail only once? Once that I know of
More than once?
Did he fail in a particularly stupid fashion? Yes, both in his poor choice and the final outcome, which the term describes.
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Poor choice: of objects? Of words? Of actions? Worse off: financially? Emotionally? Legally?
Were you better off in the same way that he was worse off? Is his profession relevant? Is yours? Crime involved? Sports? Bets? Gambling?
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is the new term you learned an English word? or phrase? in common use? (common-ish as I'm sure you have a wide vocabulary and you didn't know it)

or is it only in common use in certain circles? and if so, a certain profession? hobby or interest?
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Galfisk
Poor choice: of objects? No
Of words? No
Of actions? This
Worse off: financially? YES!
Emotionally? No
Legally? No

Were you better off in the same way that he was worse off? No (good Q)
Is his profession relevant? No
Is yours? No
Crime involved? YES
Sports? No
Bets? No
Gambling? No

Shez
Is the new term you learned an English word? or phrase? A phrase
In common use? Common enough.

(common-ish as I'm sure you have a wide vocabulary and you didn't know it) Why thank you. :D

Or is it only in common use in certain circles? and if so, a certain profession? hobby or interest?
No, it's not jargon, lingo, or slang of any sort.

HINT: Unfortunately, the phrase is going to be rather impossible to guess without learning more about Arnie's actions.
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Did Arnie commit a crime? Did he lose money? Go bankrupt?
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did he invest money? gamble? buy something?
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Balin
Did Arnie commit a crime? Yes
Did he lose money? Yes
Go bankrupt? No

Shez
Did he invest money? No
gamble? No
buy something? No
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did he lose money because he had to pay a fine?
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did he lose money because he had to pay a fine? Nope
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did he spend money on buying drugs to sell?
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did he spend money on buying drugs to sell? No
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Was he scammed? Via email?
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did he lose actual money? valuable goods? property?
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Balin
Was he scammed? No
Via email? No

Shez
Did he lose actual money? YES
valuable goods? No
property? No
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Did he actually lose the money (as in "where'd it go?")?
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was he blackmailing someone? and they left the money at a drop and someone else walked off with it?

did he lose money that he already had?

was it a burglary? a stick-up? fraud?
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Balin
Did he actually lose the money (as in "where'd it go?")? No, not literally. (good thought though)

Shez
Was he blackmailing someone? No
and they left the money at a drop and someone else walked off with it? No

did he lose money that he already had? Yes

was it a burglary? No
a stick-up? YES
fraud? No
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a bank? a shop? a petrol station?

did he get away with any money? did anyone hand him some money?

did he have to hand over any of his own money?

did he put down some money in order to pick something else up? like, he was about to get away with some money and he put it down to take something which he mistakenly thought contained more?
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Did he forget his wallet at the scene? Which contained more money than he got away with? Were you better off specifically because he lost money? Or because of something else he did related to the loss of money? Were you present during the stick-up? Were you robbed? Were you involved in the legal proceedings?
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Shez
a bank? No
a shop? Yes
a petrol station? No
did he get away with any money? No
did anyone hand him some money? No
did he have to hand over any of his own money? YES
did he put down some money in order to pick something else up? No
like, he was about to get away with some money and he put it down to take something which he mistakenly thought contained more? No

Galfisk
Did he forget his wallet at the scene? No
Which contained more money than he got away with? No
Were you better off specifically because he lost money? YES (good Q)
Or because of something else he did related to the loss of money? No
Were you present during the stick-up? No
Were you robbed? No
Were you involved in the legal proceedings? No
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Relevant which shop? did you have anything to do with the shop? Or the robber? Relevant what the robber would've done with the money, if he had gotten any? Relevant what happened after the robbery? Did he return to the shop?
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did he actually buy something? or had he had to pay to park there?
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Relevant which shop? Yes

did you have anything to do with the shop? Or the robber? No, I am in NO way involved in thsi puzzle...other than writing/hosting it.

Relevant what the robber would've done with the money, if he had gotten any? Not relevant
Relevant what happened after the robbery? Not relevant
Did he return to the shop? Not relevant
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did he actually buy something? No-ish
or had he had to pay to park there? No
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did he hand over some of his own money ostensibly in order to pay for something? which he didn't then take away with him?

did he have to do that so they would open the cash register?
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did he hand over some of his own money ostensibly in order to pay for something? \bYes}
which he didn't then take away with him? Yes

did he have to do that so they would open the cash register? No, but OTRT
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did he do that so that the assistant would turn their back?
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did he do that so that the assistant would turn their back? Close enough, yes. He pretended to want to purchse something to distract the clerk.

So, what was his "poor choice" and what term did I learn in reading about this event?
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had he chosen the wrong shop to hold up because they had no money? or no way of getting to it? or the wrong time/day to go there because they had just emptied their tills?

or the wrong assistant to threaten because they refused to hand over the cash?

or the wrong weapon to use? like he pointed his finger instead of a gun?
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had he chosen the wrong shop to hold up because they had no money? No
or no way of getting to it? No
or the wrong time/day to go there because they had just emptied their tills? No

or the wrong assistant to threaten because they refused to hand over the cash? No-ish

or the wrong weapon to use? No
like he pointed his finger instead of a gun? No
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the wrong assistant?
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Was he trying to rob a restaurant?
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the wrong assistant? Nope

Was he trying to rob a restaurant? No
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was the shop next door to a police station?

were there policemen in the shop?
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was the shop next door to a police station? No
were there policemen in the shop? No
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was it a supermarket? bookshop? clothes shop?

butchers? bakers? hardware? charity?

gun shop?
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did the assistant not hand over any money because they could not access it?

because they were laughing? did he do something really stupid?

did he have a weapon? relevant?
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Shez
Was it a supermarket? No
bookshop? No
clothes shop? No
butchers? No
bakers? No
hardware? No
charity? No
gun shop? YES!

did the assistant not hand over any money because they could not access it? No

because they were laughing? No
did he do something really stupid? Well, yes...

did he have a weapon? Yes
relevant? Yes

I think we have all the pieces. Someone want to put the situation together so we can address the term?
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Is this it?

(How did nobody guess "Did he die"? Shouldn't that have been, I don't know, the third question? It is on almost every other puzzle...)
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Is this it? Nope, but that's entertaining!
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So he tried to rob a gun shop, right? With a gun?

Was he shot? Did he die? Or was he just preventing from robbing the store by people with guns (cashiers? customers?) ?
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So he tried to rob a gun shop, right? Yep
With a gun? Yes

Was he shot? No
Did he die? No
Or was he just preventing from robbing the store by people with guns (cashiers? customers?)? This one. Unsurprisingly, the cashier pulled a gun.

However, the elements above are not relevant to determining the term, though you all have already figured out what IS relevant.
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is the term something in common everyday usage?

is it slang?

does it describe doing something stupid? not thinking ahead? or is there more to it?
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Is the term something in common everyday usage? All the words are, yes

Is it slang? no

Does it describe doing something stupid? No
Not thinking ahead? No

or is there more to it? It describes part of this situation specifically. HINT: The part is directly referenced in the puzzle statement.
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Is it relevant that you described Arnie's stupidity as a "particular brand of failure"?
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Is it relevant that you described Arnie's stupidity as a "particular brand of failure"?
No, in that I could have used the word "type" instead of "brand".
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Is any one bit of Arnie's stupidity more relevant than another? The "poor choice" relevant? Is that "poor choice" his trying to rob a gun shop?
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Is any one bit of Arnie's stupidity more relevant than another? YES

The "poor choice" relevant? No, not for the term
Is that "poor choice" his trying to rob a gun shop? Yes, that was the 'poor choice'. Mostly because he didn't think for a minute that gun shops are full of other people..with guns.
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"Being left worse off" (arrested?) relevant?
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"Being left worse off" Yes
(arrested?) No
relevant? Yes

The "worse off" has already been determined, though perhaps not connected with that phrase in the puzzle statement.
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This one has stalled a bit so how about a RECAP?

Puzzle Statement: Arnie failed due to a poor choice on his part and was left measurably worse off. However, I (Ves) was left much better off, as I learned a new term to describe his particular brand of failure.

We know:
* Arnie is a failed robber.
* His “poor choice” was in choosing to try and rob a gun store.
* He used a gun and, unsurprisingly, the clerk (and nearly everyone in the store) had a gun.
* Arnie had used his own money to pretend to buy something and then, while the clerk was distracted, pulled his gun.
* The clerk pulled his own gun and Arnie ran away, leaving his money behind.
(Sucks to be Arnie.)

HOWEVER, I (Ves) was left better off because I learned a new term to describe the events above. We are still working to determine the term.

The term:
* Relates to Arnie being “worse off” and the fact he lost money in the robbery attempt.
* The term is made up of common words and is not slang or jargon.
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Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2011 - 12:48 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is any of the words a synonym of "stupid"? Or something like that?
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Is any of the words a synonym of "stupid"? No
Or something like that? No
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does it mean "loser"?
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does it mean "loser"? No
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Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2011 - 3:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does the term directly reference:

Guns?
Robbery?
Arnie's name?
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Does the term directly reference:

Guns?
Robbery? This one. It names a type of robbery...as in the type that happened here.
Arnie's name?
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Robbing...a weapons shop? A shop with the same type of weapon that the thief is using? A shop where the cashier to fight back?
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Robbing...a weapons shop? No
A shop with the same type of weapon that the thief is using? No
A shop where the cashier to fight back? No

A little OTWT here...
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Irony?
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Irony? Is the term "irony"? No.
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does the term describe a failed robbery? a stupid robbery? a costly robbery?
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does the term describe a failed robbery? Of a particular type
a stupid robbery? Yes, but only a particular type
a costly robbery? YES!

That should get you all on the right track. I'm not going to be a stickler for the term itself if we can just nail down the pertinent details about it, I will post the you-know-what.
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is the term a play on words? a pun?

does the word robbery appear in the term?

are we looking for a single word? or phrase?
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is the term a play on words? a pun? No to both

does the word robbery appear in the term? Yes

are we looking for a single word? or phrase? Phrase

The term is ? ?-? ROBBERY (hope that helps some).
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erm...
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Do the question marks represent words? Letters?
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Do the question marks represent words? Letters? Words.

Again, I'm not going to be a stickler for the exact phrase if we could get what aspect of robbery-fail, as illustrated in this case, it describes.
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Posted on Friday, May 20, 2011 - 4:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Not planning ahead?
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Not planning ahead? Nope

*cough* This is rather important:
a costly robbery? YES!
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Darwin Award? Did he win one?
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is the first ? "A"?
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Posted on Sunday, May 22, 2011 - 4:11 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Darwin Award? No
Did he win one? No

Are you sure you posted these on the correct puzzle? This puzzle is 95% of the way done. We are just looking for a phrase that describes this particular brand of "costly robbery".

is the first ? "A"? No...there are no articles in the missing words.
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Not-for-profit robbery?
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Not-for-profit robbery? No, but we are getting very close with the idea of not-for-profit!

I'll take Qs on this one for one more day and end it tonight if we haven't gotten there. THANK YOU all for your tenacity!
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"Losing money on the deal" or some variation of that?
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something loss-making robbery?
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Close enough!

***** SPOILER *****

Drawn from the news blurb, “Arnie” tried to distract the clerk at a gun store by laying $40 on the counter to buy a box of bullets, then pulling a gun and demanding all the store's money. The clerk thwarted the robbery by pulling his own gun (not surprisingly, since it was a gun store) and scaring the robber off -- while the $40 remained on the counter.

The new term I learned was “negative cash-flow” robbery – a robbery which costs the would-be robber money! It seems sort of opposite the point of a robbery, but there are enough of these to merit a term to group them.


Special points to Balin & Shez for sticking with this one!
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Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2011 - 4:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

thanks Vesica. I would never have guessed the true phrase in a million years, but I love it!

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