| Author | Message | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 3819 Registered: 9-2010 |
...in fact, ten out of eleven's pretty good. I do feel sorry for Five, though... | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 3820 Registered: 9-2010 |
Addendum: Doctor Who is not at all relevant. *facepalm* I only just realised it might look that way. Sorry if I gave any of you an FA about the puzzle. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 812 Registered: 2-2011 |
is ten out of eleven a score? or are the eleven people? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1344 Registered: 12-2010 |
Is Five a person? An animal? an object? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 3821 Registered: 9-2010 |
is ten out of eleven a score? no...maybe the tiniest of ishes, DOYD of 'score' or are they eleven people? they are indeed Is Five a person? this one An animal? an object? | ||
| Sapir (Sapir)
New member Username: Sapir Post Number: 76 Registered: 4-2011 |
Are 'even' (like 0,2,4,6...) and 'odd' (like 1,3,5,7...)important? Is one-to-one correspondence (as in set theory) important? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 3824 Registered: 9-2010 |
Are 'even' (like 0,2,4,6...) and 'odd' (like 1,3,5,7...)important? not particularly, no Is one-to-one correspondence (as in set theory) important? *blinks in confusion* What theory? I have a feeling I never covered that...or maybe it just wasn't called that. I fail at math. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 815 Registered: 2-2011 |
was it a vote? a survey? were the 11 people a team? like a sports team or a quiz team? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 816 Registered: 2-2011 |
was it a vote? a survey? were the 11 people a team? like a sports team or a quiz team? a soccer team? and number five is the only one who didn't want to do something? or didn't want to do it that way? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1346 Registered: 12-2010 |
Is Five the person's name? Is the person H/A/M? A famous person? Maybe a king, such as Henry V? A real person? If so, [LTPF list of centuries] when he/she lived. A fictional person? If so, from a book? movie? computer game? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 3825 Registered: 9-2010 |
was it a vote? a survey? no to both were the 11 people a team? like a sports team or a quiz team? not a team, but they had something in common Is Five the person's name? no Is the person H/A/M? H/C/F A famous person? not in the least Maybe a king, such as Henry V? no, but bonus marks for remembering I am a royalty freak. This is one of my other interests. A real person? Yes, very real If so, [LTPF list of centuries] when he/she lived. 20th A fictional person? If so, from a book? movie? computer game? so not these | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 3826 Registered: 9-2010 |
my apologies, Shez, I missed these important questions! =( and number five is the only one who didn't want to do something? on the contrary, if she had a choice in the matter, I'm sure she would want to have done something or didn't want to do it that way? they all got to do something, DOYD of 'something' which she, tragically, was excluded from | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 705 Registered: 7-2010 |
Did they all take part in a competition or tournament? And everyone but Five won something? Or achieved a certain number of points? Or were explicitly listed somewhere? Or mentioned by someone? Are all of the eleven children? Did they all go to the same school/kindergarten? To the same class? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 3827 Registered: 9-2010 |
Did they all take part in a competition or tournament? well, I'm sure no one but Darwin would call it that And everyone but Five won something? Well, for svv of 'won', conditioned by the above Or achieved a certain number of points? 'Points' isn't the right word Or were explicitly listed somewhere? They can be found on a certain website or two Or mentioned by someone? oh, over and over again, the 'someone' might be useful to find out, though I strongly doubt you'd know who he is Are all of the eleven children? well, they were at one point Did they all go to the same school/kindergarten? I believe so, but not necessarily at the same time. They've got more in common. To the same class? At one point or another, most likely | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 13818 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is a test relevant? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 3828 Registered: 9-2010 |
Is a test relevant? no | ||
| Sapir (Sapir)
New member Username: Sapir Post Number: 82 Registered: 4-2011 |
Kayleetonkslupin: My old (confusing) question: -------------------- one-to-one correspondence (as in set theory) would be like in the game "musical chairs", if there is a chair for everyone playing, that is one-to-one correspondence -- if there is not a chair for everyone playing, that is not one-to-one correspondence. Question is better asked another way: If Five were exactly the same in every way except now being sixth instead of being fifth, does anything change as far as who you would feel sorry for? Would you still feel sorry for Five even though Five is now sixth? or would you feel sorry in the same way for the new five as you did for the old Five? --------------------- New questions: The capitalization of "F" in "Five, this is important in solving the puzzle? That is to say, is there a special meaning in the puzzle conveyed by your intentional selection of the uppercase (or capital or big) "F" rather than a lowercase (or little or small) "f"? Do all 11 share the same parents? Share at least one parent in common? Belong to the same family? Was Five excluded by being born in a certain condition? Or excluded by having an hereditary affliction? hereditary lack of a physiological nature? Or simply excluded by virtue of being number five? Is Five not able to bear children? Is Five excluded from doing something connected with bearing children? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 3829 Registered: 9-2010 |
Kayleetonkslupin: My old (confusing) question: -------------------- one-to-one correspondence (as in set theory) would be like in the game "musical chairs", if there is a chair for everyone playing, that is one-to-one correspondence -- if there is not a chair for everyone playing, that is not one-to-one correspondence. Ah, thank you. Question is better asked another way: If Five were exactly the same in every way except now being sixth instead of being fifth, does anything change as far as who you would feel sorry for? Would you still feel sorry for Five even though Five is now sixth? yes or would you feel sorry in the same way for the new five as you did for the old Five? no --------------------- New questions: The capitalization of "F" in "Five, this is important in solving the puzzle? That is to say, is there a special meaning in the puzzle conveyed by your intentional selection of the uppercase (or capital or big) "F" rather than a lowercase (or little or small) "f"? I referred to her as "Five" instead of by her name, just because she's fifth in the sequence. Do all 11 share the same parents? YesShare at least one parent in common? Belong to the same family? So yes and yes Was Five excluded by being born in a certain condition? I don't think so Or excluded by having an hereditary affliction? not that I know of hereditary lack of a physiological nature? not that I know of Or simply excluded by virtue of being number five? not this either Is Five not able to bear children? well...yes, although... Is Five excluded from doing something connected with bearing children? Yes, because... | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 709 Registered: 7-2010 |
Just to clarify things: Five is HCF, right? And you answered "Is Five not able to bear children?" with Yes. So did you mean that Five cannot become pregnant? If so, is that just because she's still a child? Or does she have a condition making her unable to have children of her own? Or does the "Yes" mean that she can become pregnant? Otherwise, does "bear" in this context not mean "be pregnant" but "stand"? So that she feels uncomfortable among children? So that she doesn't like being with (too many of) her siblings, making her kind of an outsider when it comes to playing together and the likes? Or is Five, in fact, the only one of 11 (adult) siblings who doesn't have children? Because she doesn't want any? Or because she can't have any? | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 710 Registered: 7-2010 |
Is Five the only girl among 10 boys? | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 711 Registered: 7-2010 |
Or if gender isn't relevant, is there anything about Five's appearance that makes her looks stand out from those of all her siblings? To the point that other people might think that she doesn't have the very same set of parents as her siblings? Like all their siblings are blond and she's the only one with brown hair or vice versa? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 3830 Registered: 9-2010 |
Just to clarify things: Five is HCF, right? I'd say 'was' not is, but Yes And you answered "Is Five not able to bear children?" with Yes. Yes, I did So did you mean that Five cannot become pregnant? just so If so, is that just because she's still a child? well, she was Or does she have a condition making her unable to have children of her own? well, you could call it that Or does the "Yes" mean that she can become pregnant? she cannot Otherwise, does "bear" in this context not mean "be pregnant" but "stand"? not in the least So that she feels uncomfortable among children? I cannot say for sure what she felt, but I doubt that So that she doesn't like being with (too many of) her siblings, making her kind of an outsider when it comes to playing together and the likes? not in the least Or is Five, in fact, the only one of 11 (adult) siblings who doesn't have children? No, and FA Because she doesn't want any? Or because she can't have any? she could not have any Is Five the only girl among 10 boys? she was not Or if gender isn't relevant, is there anything about Five's appearance that makes her looks stand out from those of all her siblings? size, perhaps? To the point that other people might think that she doesn't have the very same set of parents as her siblings? no Like all their siblings are blond and she's the only one with brown hair or vice versa? I do not know what her facial features were like | ||
| Sapir (Sapir)
New member Username: Sapir Post Number: 84 Registered: 4-2011 |
She was very much smaller in size? As she was a midget? Did she suffer an anomalous enlargement of a portion of her anatomy? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 3831 Registered: 9-2010 |
She was very much smaller in size? As she was a midget? No, not a midget. She was normal in size for someone of her age, but... Did she suffer an anomalous enlargement of a portion of her anatomy? No. | ||
| Sapir (Sapir)
New member Username: Sapir Post Number: 85 Registered: 4-2011 |
Did she suffer from a physiological anomaly of some sort related to size as in physical dimension? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 3832 Registered: 9-2010 |
Did she suffer from a physiological anomaly of some sort related to size as in physical dimension? No. *sighs at self* There was nothing physically wrong with her, I am sorry for introducing an FA. I'm surprised not all the usual questions have been asked yet... HINT: There *are* ten other people in this puzzle besides Five. You may refer to them by their numbers to ask the usual LTPF questions, if you want. | ||
| Sapir (Sapir)
New member Username: Sapir Post Number: 88 Registered: 4-2011 |
Hmmm... If there is/was nothing physically wrong with her, then she could/could have physically become pregnant? So therefore, there must be a situational reason why she cannot/could not become pregnant? | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 712 Registered: 7-2010 |
Is being a child the only reason why Five can't become pregnant? Is Five... 0-5 5-10 10-12 ...years old? Do her parents not want her to be with boys? That is, not even on an innocent, platonic level? Is the reason why Five wants to be pregnant relevant? Anything about her living conditions relevant? If so, is it her or her familiy's... financial situation? education? home? age (this refers more to her parents and siblings since I've already asked for Five's age)? health? religion? jobs? Is... One Two Three Four Six Seven Eight Nine Ten Eleven ...HCF, too? Did you feel sorry for Five because she can't become pregnant? Although she would like to? | ||
| Potato (Potato)
New member Username: Potato Post Number: 713 Registered: 7-2010 |
Is Five the 5th child of the family? The 5th girl? Are all of Five's siblings alive? If not, is Five the only one who's still alive? The only girl? Are any of Five's siblings pregnant? | ||
| Emeraldink (Emeraldink)
New member Username: Emeraldink Post Number: 512 Registered: 4-2007 |
Did the family survive some kind of calamity? physical? biological? In which no more than half of the population is expected to survive? And the only one who was injured? or died? was Five. | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 3833 Registered: 9-2010 |
Hmmm... If there is/was nothing physically wrong with her, then she could/could have physically become pregnant? she might have been able to, eventually, if... So therefore, there must be a situational reason why she cannot/could not become pregnant? yes, and so she could not, precisely Is being a child the only reason why Five can't become pregnant? yes, and... Is Five... 0-5 11 months 5-10 10-12 ...years old? Do her parents not want her to be with boys? I'm sure they wouldn't have had a problem if... That is, not even on an innocent, platonic level? oh well, she had three older brothers (and a sister) Is the reason why Five wants to be pregnant relevant? FA...I never said she wanted to be pregnant Anything about her living conditions relevant? quite likely If so, is it her or her familiy's... financial situation? probably not education? I doubt they were well educated, but I could be wrong. At least by today's standards it's unlikely home? they were very rural age (this refers more to her parents and siblings since I've already asked for Five's age)? well, the siblings that were around at the time were 8, 5, 3, and 1 year/s older than her, with the next one probably on the way already when she... health? most of them were healthy religion? they were probably all Christians, I should think jobs? I think their father was a farmer Is... One was HAM Two was HAM Three was HAF Four was HAM Six was HAM Seven was HAF Eight was HAF Nine was HAF Ten was HAF Eleven is HAF. Of course, they were all HC's at some point, and the first four were HC's when Five... ...HCF, too? Did you feel sorry for Five because she can't become pregnant? There's more to it than that Although she would like to? I'm not sure where I introduced the FA that she would have liked to Is Five the 5th child of the family? she was The 5th girl? no, the second Are all of Five's siblings alive? at the time of this puzzle, only four had been born. Now, only one is (possibly) alive If not, is Five the only one who's still alive? on the contrary, in fact... The only girl? not at all Are any of Five's siblings pregnant? most of her sisters were pregnant at some time or another, but only after she... Did the family survive some kind of calamity? Not any more so than any early twentieth century family in Oklahoma physical? biological? In which no more than half of the population is expected to survive? And the only one who was injured? or died? was Five. well, I don't think a calamity was the cause (though it may have been) but you're right, she was the only one who died. Someone care to throw this all together now? | ||
| Emeraldink (Emeraldink)
New member Username: Emeraldink Post Number: 515 Registered: 4-2007 |
So, did the family beat the odds of child mortality by having 10 survivors out of 11, when even 7 ( 2 out of 3 ) would be considered lucky? Your family? :-) | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1074 Registered: 8-2001 |
Darn it! Coming in too late for this one. If Emeraldink's solution is correct, that is pretty incredible (10 out of 11). My great-grandmother managed 12 of 13 from the late 1920s-early 1950s. | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 3834 Registered: 9-2010 |
So, did the family beat the odds of child mortality by having 10 survivors out of 11, when even 7 ( 2 out of 3 ) would be considered lucky? Your family? :-) Yes, exactly :-) and their firstborn, here known as "One", was Ernest Johnson Matlock, my maternal grandfather's father. Poor Bonnie May Matlock, his second sister and fourth sibling, didn't even make it to her first year, but all the rest lived to adulthood. So that's the ***SPOILER***! Well done Emeraldink, and everyone else who participated! Darn it! Coming in too late for this one. If Emeraldink's solution is correct, that is pretty incredible (10 out of 11). My great-grandmother managed 12 of 13 from the late 1920s-early 1950s. That's awesome, Vesica! :-) Although I feel pretty sorry for my great-great-grandmother, being pregnant eleven times (at least...I have no idea if there were any stillbirths or miscarriages!) Info on Florena "Rena" Thomas, my great-great-grandmother, and her family: BIRTH: 21 MAY 1892, Ozark, Franklin Co., Ark. DEATH: 09 NOV 1976, Chowchilla, Madera Co., Calif. BURIAL: Chowchilla Cem., Chowchilla, Madera, Calif. Father: Isaac "Ike" THOMAS Mother: Mary Elizabeth FORD Family 1: Hugh Fines MATLOCK MARRIAGE: 19 DEC 1907, Sallisaw, Sequoyah Co., Okla. +Ernest Johnson MATLOCK 23 NOV 1908 - 27 JUL 1995 +Earl Leon MATLOCK 24 JAN 1911 - 02 APR 1977 +Opal Kathleen MATLOCK 20 JUN 1913 - 27 MAR 2005 +Watie Conley MATLOCK 03 JAN 1915 - 03 FEB 1994 Bonnie May MATLOCK 19 NOV 1916 - 22 OCT 1917 +Raymond Wilson MATLOCK 13 AUG 1918 - 02 JUL 1981 +Nadine Ruby MATLOCK 06 MAR 1920 - 02 NOV 1994 +Agnes Louise MATLOCK 23 FEB 1923 - 21 MAY 1997 Geneva Mildred MATLOCK 31 AUG 1924 - 01 MAY 1984 +Dorotha Leola MATLOCK +Cleo Bernice MATLOCK The website won't give birth/death data for the last two, but my grandfather (Ernest Matlock, Jr.) says that Dorotha is dead, so only "Bernice" (she went by her middle name) is left. The +'s means those ones had children. | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 3835 Registered: 9-2010 |
...I have also just belatedly done the math, and Rena was /fifteen/ when she got married. Hugh Matlock was 5 DEC 1888, Dripping Springs, Crawford Co., Ark. 21 MAY 1964, Chowchilla, Madera Co., Calif. so, marrying in 1907, he was 19. Wow. I imagine that was more common in those days and that region... |
