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Doriana (Doriana)
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This is my very first connections puzzle.

What do the following have in common?
- rape
- pink
- Astrid Lindgren
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Pippi relevant?
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Rape: sexual assault?
Pink: the color? The singer?
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Pippi relevant? no

Rape: sexual assault? yes
Pink: the color? yes The singer? no
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Is an actual incident of rape relevant? The penalty for it?
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Is an actual incident of rape relevant? The penalty for it? no to both
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Sweden relevant? The Swedish Chef? Der Danish Koch? (ok, I know I spelled that wrong. =P)
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Sweden relevant? noish The Swedish Chef? noez Der Danish Koch? noez :P (ok, I know I spelled that wrong. =P)
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is it something to do with rape awareness? like wearing a pink ribbon?
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is it something to do with rape awareness? no like wearing a pink ribbon? no
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Is the logic of the connection to be found in a pun? in a game of words? translation into a specific language? related to the swedish culture? any particular culture?

are we supposed to determine a rule that links "pink" with a verb and a person, "rape" with a colour and a person and "Astrid L." with a colour and a verb?
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Is the logic of the connection to be found in a pun? no in a game of words? no translation into a specific language? no related to the swedish culture? no any particular culture? no - sorry, good thoughts, but all on the wrong track

are we supposed to determine a rule that links "pink" with a verb and a person, "rape" with a colour and a person and "Astrid L." with a colour and a verb? no - you're supposed to find something that somehow connects the three things. I can't give away more at the moment, but I'll give a hint when necessary.
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Rape: sexual assault, but nothing connected with an actual rape incident, the penalty for it or rape awareness, correct? So, something connected with the definition of rape as found in the law? With a class of rape incidents? With consequences for the victims? For the villains?

Pink: is it a colour to be found on a flag? A word used in a motto?

A. Lindgren: any of her works relevant? Her maiden name? Another detail of her biography?
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are the linking in a cycle? (pink linked to rape, rape to Astrid, Astrid to pink)
to a common forth element?
any country, region, zone of the world relevant?
Was Astrid aware she could be linked with pink and rape?
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Rape: sexual assault, but nothing connected with an actual rape incident, the penalty for it or rape awareness, correct? correct So, something connected with the definition of rape as found in the law? no With a class of rape incidents? yope, DOYD of "class" With consequences no for the victims? yes For the villains? no

Pink: is it a colour to be found on a flag? A word used in a motto? no to both

A. Lindgren: any of her works relevant? yes Her maiden name? Another detail of her biography? no to both

are the linking in a cycle? no (pink linked to rape, rape to Astrid, Astrid to pink)
to a common forth element? yes
any country, region, zone of the world relevant? not really, but the common forth element is somewhat related to Germany and to a lesser extent to the US
Was Astrid aware she could be linked with pink and rape? NO - good question!
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Astrid Lindgren - Lotta says no!? is it the title of one of her books? or the content?
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is the use of pink by gay activists relevant? breast cancer awareness?

Astrid Lindgren - racial prejudice relevant?

rape victims relevant? lack of reporting? lack of convictions? date rape?
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Astrid Lindgren - Lotta says no!? no is it the title of one of her books? no or the content? yes for svv of "content"

is the use of pink by gay activists relevant? breast cancer awareness? no to both

Astrid Lindgren - racial prejudice relevant? no

rape victims relevant? yes lack of reporting? lack of convictions? date rape? possibly for all three
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One particular character of Astrid Lindgren's works relevant?
if so: Pippi Langstrump? Kalle Blomkvist? Nils Karlsson-Pyssling? Kati? Mio? Karlsson on the roof? Lotta? Rasmus? Tomte? Madicken? Emil av Lönneberga? Ronja Rövardottar?
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One particular character of Astrid Lindgren's works relevant? indeed
if so: Pippi Langstrump? Kalle Blomkvist? Nils Karlsson-Pyssling? Kati? Mio? Karlsson on the roof? Lotta? Rasmus? Tomte? Madicken? Emil av Lönneberga? Ronja Rövardottar? but none of these
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Is the character H? A? M?
Does he/she live in Bullerby? Saltkrokan?
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Is the character H? A? M? H/Child/F
Does he/she live in Bullerby? no Saltkrokan? yes!
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Malin?
Teddy?
Tjorven?
Stina?
Lotta?
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Malin?
Teddy?
Tjorven? it's her
Stina?
Lotta?
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I'll do a RECAP and give you a HINT:
We're looking for a common forth element that connects Astrid Lindgren, rape, and the colour pink. So far, we've established that
- Astrid Lindgren's character Tjorven is relevant
- rape victims are relevant, as well as lack of reporting, lack of convictions and maybe date rape
- the common forth element has something to do with Germany and the US
Find out what's relevant about Tjorven and then try to work on one of the other elements because Tjorven alone won't take you very far.
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Relevant about Tjorven:
- that it is her nickname? (with her real name being Maria?)
- that the name was invented by Astrid Lindgren? (and has no particular meaning?)
- that she owns a dog?
- that she kisses a frog?
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Relevant about Tjorven:
- that it is her nickname? (with her real name being Maria?) no
- that the name was invented by Astrid Lindgren? (and has no particular meaning?) yes, and something else about her name
- that she owns a dog? no
- that she kisses a frog? no
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Any ideas for the colour pink? Anyone? (:
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no. :0)
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is it the name of the colour pink?

is it something which pink has been chosen to represent?

is it that little girls all seem to go through a stage where they are crazy for all things pink?

is it a particular object or group of objects which are pink?
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no. :0) don't lie! (;

is it the name of the colour pink? no

is it something which pink has been chosen to represent? noish

is it that little girls all seem to go through a stage where they are crazy for all things pink? yesish! explore

is it a particular object no or group of objects which are pink? yesish
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something which all little girls have or want - clothes? ballet shoes? hair ribbon? toys of some sort? baby clothes? the blankets they get in hospital? balloons? birthday cakes?
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something which all little girls have or want yes - clothes? ballet shoes? hair ribbon? toys of some sort? baby clothes? possibly to all the blankets they get in hospital? balloons? birthday cakes? those three are less likely
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is the 4th thing which connects them an object? or an action? a thought?

you answers to my pink question suggest that pink is relevant to more personal items, or items that the little girls have chosen themselves, so is it to do with choice?
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is the 4th thing which connects them an object? no or an action? no a thought? yope... it's hard to answer, and there's a more fitting category you haven't mentioned.

you answers to my pink question suggest that pink is relevant to more personal items, or items that the little girls have chosen themselves, so is it to do with choice? possibly, but explore where the items come from.
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is the category an emotion?

do the items all come from shops? a particular shop?
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is the category an emotion? no

do the items all come from shops? possibly, but not necessarily (...still waiting for the one day when I spell necessarily correct on the first attempt.) a particular shop? unlikely
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is it a belief? a feeling? a crime? a deed?

the pink items come from a factory? they are gifts?
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is it a belief? a feeling? a crime? a deed? no to all

the pink items come from a factory? probably they are gifts? YES!
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(...still waiting for the one day when I spell necessarily correct on the first attempt.)
When you get there, let me know because I'd love to visit the magical land where I can spell that word correctly.

Not familiar with the author/books so pardon if this is dumb...
Did Tjorven get a gift?
Was it pink?
Did she skip that phase?
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Not familiar with the author/books so pardon if this is dumb... not dumb at all! (:
Did Tjorven get a gift?
Was it pink?
Did she skip that phase?
They're all irrelevant, and no further knowledge of the book is necessary.
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Recapping once again:

We're looking for a common forth element that connects Astrid Lindgren, rape, and the colour pink. So far, we've established that
- The name "Tjorven" is relevant, especially the fact that Astrid Lindgren made it up, and something else about it
- rape victims are relevant, as well as lack of reporting, lack of convictions and maybe date rape
- it's relevant that little girls often get pink gifts
- the common forth element has something to do with Germany and the US, but the countries are not too relevant. The forth element is neither an object nor an action nor a thought nor a belief nor a feeling nor a crime nor deed nor a belief nor a feeling nor a crime nor a deed, but at the moment, "thought" is closest, and an action is relevant as well.
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is the fourth thing an idea? an attitude? a preference?

Has the name Tjorven become popular with other people since it was made up for the character? Did Tjorven like her name? In the book(s) did she make up her name? or did one of the other characters give it to her?
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Is the common fourth element a concept? an invention? a type of event? a piece of art?
Is it related to business? politics? sports? entertainment? culture? history?
German emigrants to the US relevant?
Is one particular pink gift relevant?
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birthdays relevant?
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is the fourth thing an idea? an attitude? a preference? no to all

Has the name Tjorven become popular with other people since it was made up for the character? no, and this is somewhat relevant Did Tjorven like her name? irrel In the book(s) did she make up her name? or did one of the other characters give it to her? as far as I know, someone gave it to her, but irrel

Is the common fourth element a concept? an invention? a type of event? this is closest a piece of art?
Is it related to business? politics? sports? entertainment? culture? history? no to all, actually
German emigrants to the US relevant? no
Is one particular pink gift relevant? no, just pink gifts in general

birthdays relevant? yesish, explore
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Is it that Tjorven sounds funny? Too funny for a real name? so it did not become popular? does it sound ridiculous? Any phonetic similarity relevant? (though, the only one I can think of is "korven" = sausage) Does the character in the book have a negative property or trait? or does something bad? and so nobody who knows the story wants to be called Tjorven?

Is the common fourth element a series of events? an event that takes place repeatedly? an action? a tradition? a custom?
Is it related to economics? finance? education? leisure? hobby? cuisine? social engagement? military? law? religion?

A particular birthday relevant? an anniversary? a commemorative day? a nameday? any other holiday or feast?
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Is it that Tjorven sounds funny? yesish Too funny for a real name? yesish so it did not become popular? probably does it sound ridiculous? maybe Any phonetic similarity relevant? yesish (though, the only one I can think of is "korven" = sausage) Does the character in the book have a negative property or trait? or does something bad? and so nobody who knows the story wants to be called Tjorven? no to all

Is the common fourth element a series of events? an event that takes place repeatedly? an action? a tradition? a custom?
Is it related to economics? finance? education? leisure? hobby? cuisine? social engagement? military? law? religion?
It's an event that takes place once, but has "long term consequences". The solution is probably too obvious, your thinking is way too complicated (;

A particular birthday relevant? yesish - explore whose birthday it is an anniversary? a commemorative day? a nameday? any other holiday or feast? no to rest

A particular birthday relevant? an anniversary? a commemorative day? a nameday? any other holiday or feast?
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is it the rape which has long term consequences?

is the birthday that of someone famous? a real person? M? F?
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is it the rape which has long term consequences? no, possible FA. Well, of course rape has long term consequences, but not the ones I meant here.

is the birthday that of someone famous? no a real person? yes with a tiny ish M? F? it's very very likely the person is F
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Is it a person that is believed to be female, but nobody knows for sure? a person about whom nobody knows for sure whether she actually exists (existed)?
Is she still alive? adult?
German? US American?
Did the event with long term consequences take place already? several times? will it take place? in the near future? does it take place repeatedly?
Is the birthday (or the birth?) the event?
The yesish phonetic equivalent to "Tjorven": in Swedish? in German? in English?
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Is it a person that is believed to be female, but nobody knows for sure? yope a person about whom nobody knows for sure whether she actually exists (existed)? no
Is she still alive? big HINT: quite the opposite adult? no
German? US American? half-half
Did the event with long term consequences take place already? NO! several times? will it take place? yep in the near future? yes does it take place repeatedly? no
Is the birthday (or the birth? BIG YES!) the event?
The yesish phonetic equivalent to "Tjorven": in Swedish? in German? this in English?
extremely good & helpful round of q! (:
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Is it a birthday of a child yet to be born?
A child with famous parents? one American and one German?
The relation to Tjorven: chosing a name for the child is difficult?
The relation to pink: presents wrapped in pink for the girl?
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Is it a birthday of a child yet to be born? YES!
A child with famous parents? no one American and one German? but yes
The relation to Tjorven: chosing a name for the child is difficult? it definitely is, but that's not the relation
The relation to pink: presents wrapped in pink for the girl? yope

Updated RECAP
- The common forth element is the birth of a baby girl, or rather something related to her birth.
- The name Tjorven is relevant, especially the fact that it was made up by Astrid Lindgren and that it's fairly unknown. It's relevant that the name is phonetically similar to another German "word".
- rape victims are relevant, as well as lack of reporting, lack of convictions and maybe date rape
- it's relevant that little girls often get pink presents (or presents that are wrapped in pink paper)
HINT: There are at least three more relevant people, and each one is connected to one of the three aspects.
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The other relevant people: The parents of the yet to be born girl? siblings? other relatives?
The phonetic equivalent of Tjorven: is it a noun? a proper noun? a verb? an adverb? a name?
(although I'm a native German I can't think of anything that sounds like Tjorven ..)
Is a name already chosen for the girl? is it an unusual name?
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The other relevant people: The parents of the yet to be born girl? yes siblings? other relatives? no to rest
The phonetic equivalent of Tjorven: is it a noun? a proper noun? a verb? an adverb? a name? it's a name. The exact name is not relevant, just what "kind" of name it is
(although I'm a native German I can't think of anything that sounds like Tjorven ..)
Is a name already chosen for the girl? yes is it an unusual name? yes
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I'm not a native German, so this might be OTWT entirely, but let's try: Is the verb dürfen relevant? (this is how Tjorven vaguely sounds to me, apologies if it is not right)
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I'm not a native German, so this might be OTWT entirely, but let's try: Is the verb dürfen relevant? (this is how Tjorven vaguely sounds to me, apologies if it is not right) no, but a good idea - the word is a name, and the exact name is not relevant.
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Is it a name of German origin? of Nordic origin? Slavonic? Frisian? Latin? a Biblical name? a name that was made up only for this girl? so a truly unique name? a name that is more common for boys? was there a dispute with the registrar whether they would allow this name?
Are the girl's parents famous? famous within the LPTF?
The relevant thing about the girl's birth: where it will be born? (in Germany? in the US?) the prospective date of her birth? will this be a famous day?
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Is it a name of German origin? of Nordic origin? thisish Slavonic? Frisian? Latin? a Biblical name? a name that was made up only for this girl? no, but... so a truly unique name? a name that is more common for boys? no, but... was there a dispute with the registrar whether they would allow this name? no
Are the girl's parents famous? famous within the LPTF? no to both, they're friends of mine
The relevant thing about the girl's birth: where it will be born? yope (in Germany? this in the US?) the prospective date of her birth? will this be a famous day? no to rest
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The name: Thorben? Thorsten?
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The name: Thorben? this one! Thorsten?
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Relevant that "Tjorven" could be misunderstood as "Thorben"?
Relevant that "Tjorven" could be considered a boy's name?

As to the pink gifts, relevant that a girl wants pink things but doesn't get any?
Or that a girl doesn't want pink gifts but still gets them? (Story of my life.. *sigh*)

Relevant that girls are considered more likely to be raped than boys?
Relevant that a rapist fixated on girls might rape a boy with long hair or other "girly" attributes (sorry for that, but I've heard of a case in which that actually happened)?
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Relevant that "Tjorven" could be misunderstood as "Thorben"? yes
Relevant that "Tjorven" could be considered a boy's name? yes
Very good, that's about it for Tjorven


As to the pink gifts, relevant that a girl wants pink things but doesn't get any? no
Or that a girl doesn't want pink gifts but still gets them? (Story of my life.. *sigh*) no, but very OTRT

Relevant that girls are considered more likely to be raped than boys? yes!
Relevant that a rapist fixated on girls might rape a boy with long hair or other "girly" attributes (sorry for that, but I've heard of a case in which that actually happened)? no

You're getting closer (:
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Relevant that pink is considered a "girl color"?
Relevant that an awful lot of people assume that all girls love pink?
Relevant that in stores, lots of things for little girls are available in pink only?
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Relevant that pink is considered a "girl color"?
Relevant that an awful lot of people assume that all girls love pink?
Relevant that in stores, lots of things for little girls are available in pink only?
yes to all

HINT: From the point of view of a couple who's about to have a girl, is it a good thing or a bad thing that girls are more likely to be raped?
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Clearly a bad thing. So is the connection something like "reasons to not want a girl"? or "downsides to being a girl"?
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Clearly a bad thing. So is the connection something like "reasons to not want a girl"? YES! or "downsides to being a girl"?
Okay, this is almost solved. Can you link the three reasons to the three relevant people?
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Are all relevant persons potential parents?

Rape:
Protective ones?
Ones who think that girls are too weak to protect themselves?
Ones who think of themselves as weak?
Ones who have been victims of rape or sexual harassment themselves?

Pink:
Ones who dislike the color pink?
Ones who, as children, were forced to wear pink or have pink stuff themselves?
Ones who don't want to force their children into any gender role?

Astrid Lindgren:
Ones who would name a girl Tjorven?
Ones who would give a child an unusual name in general?
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Are all relevant persons potential parents? no - two relevant people are the mother and father of this specific girl. We're still looking for the third one. Keep in mind that the following answers refer to one person each.

Rape:
Protective ones? yes!
Ones who think that girls are too weak to protect themselves? yope
Ones who think of themselves as weak? no
Ones who have been victims of rape or sexual harassment themselves? no

Pink:
Ones who dislike the color pink? yes
Ones who, as children, were forced to wear pink or have pink stuff themselves? no
Ones who don't want to force their children into any gender role? yesish

Astrid Lindgren:
Ones who would name a girl Tjorven? no
Ones who would give a child an unusual name in general? no
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Just to make sure I can follow this. You said:

Rape:
Protective ones? yes!

What is a "protective rape"? I seem unable to find the definion on google.
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All the "ones" in Potato's questions were referring to "parents", not to "rape". Hope it's clear now (:
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The relevant issue for the father:
- rape?
- Astrid Lindgren?
- pink?

The relevant issue for the mother:
- rape?
- Astrid Lindgren?
- pink?

The relevant issue for the third involved person:
- rape?
- Astrid Lindgren?
- pink?

As we've found out that the third relevant person is not a relative of the child .. is it then:
- a friend of the father/of the mother?
- the potential godfather/godmother?
- a neighbor?
- somebody the parents never have met?
- somebody who will be involved in the child's birth? (doctor? midwife?)
- some government worker? (registrar? police?)

Is the common element the possible reaction on the news that the child will be a girl?
like:
the police: Another potential rape victim!
the mother: All interesting names for girls sound like boys' names!
the father: I hate pink!
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The relevant issue for the father:
- rape? this
- Astrid Lindgren?
- pink?

The relevant issue for the mother:
- rape?
- Astrid Lindgren?
- pink? this

The relevant issue for the third involved person:
- rape?
- Astrid Lindgren? this
- pink?

As we've found out that the third relevant person is not a relative of the child .. is it then:
- a friend of the father/of the mother? most likely this, e.g. me
- the potential godfather/godmother? this too
- a neighbor? could also me this
- somebody the parents never have met? could be this, provided they have a certain piece of information
- somebody who will be involved in the child's birth? (doctor? midwife?) less likely
- some government worker? (registrar? could be this too, but less likely police?)

Is the common element the possible reaction on the news that the child will be a girl? yesish
like:
the police: Another potential rape victim!
the mother: All interesting names for girls sound like boys' names!
the father: I hate pink!
yes, but not in that order, see above
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The father: Another potential rape victim!
You: All interesting names for girls sound like boys' names!
The mother: I hate pink!

Or does the common element involve the girl having to learn something?
The father: She'll have to learn to defend herself / to be strong!
You: She'll always have to explain that she's not a boy / that her name is not a boy's name!
The mother: She'll have to deal with the fact that most girl toys are pink / deal with people being sexist / fight against being forced into a gender role!

Or is the common element the thought that being a boy would be easier?
The father: If she was a boy, she would less likely be in danger / more likely able to defend herself?
You: If she was a boy, she wouldn't have to explain her name (because people will think it's a boy's name anyway)?
The mother: If she was a boy, the toys that she'd be expected to play with wouldn't be pink / people would less likely act sexist around her / she would be less likely to be forced into a gender role?
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The father: Another potential rape victim! yope
You: All interesting names for girls sound like boys' names! yope
The mother: I hate pink! yope

Or does the common element involve the girl having to learn something?
The father: She'll have to learn to defend herself / to be strong! no
You: She'll always have to explain that she's not a boy / that her name is not a boy's name! yes
The mother: She'll have to deal with the fact that most girl toys are pink / deal with people being sexist / fight against being forced into a gender role! yes

Or is the common element the thought that being a boy would be easier?
The father: If she was a boy, she would less likely be in danger / more likely able to defend herself? yes
You: If she was a boy, she wouldn't have to explain her name (because people will think it's a boy's name anyway)? yes
The mother: If she was a boy, the toys that she'd be expected to play with wouldn't be pink / people would less likely act sexist around her / she would be less likely to be forced into a gender role? yes

I think we have enough for a

********SPOILER********
Astrid Lindgren, rape and the colour pink all relate to the unborn daughter of a friend of mine - they're reasons why she, her fiancé and her friends think she should better be a boy.

Astrid Lindgren -> Her character Tjorven from Vi på Saltkråkan -> the daughter will be called Tjorven -> I (among other people) think it sounds like a boy's name and people will have to ask about that and about the unusual spelling too
rape -> girls are more likely to be raped -> the father fears that she might be raped one day and that he might be overly protectice because of that
pink -> little girls often get pink gifts -> the mother doesn't like the colour pink and doesn't want people to give her pink gifts

However, we can hardly wait for little Tjorven to be born, and there would be other problems with a boy. So there's no need to make a fuss about things like that (:

Thanks for playing!
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phew! thanks Doriana and well done potato

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