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Liletta had a truly unusual reason for thinking Clio was an anti-Semite. In fact, I bet no one else has ever been considered an anti-Semite for this reason. What is it?
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Liletta = H/A/F? Clio = H/A/F? Is Liletta Jewish? Is Clio? Was Clio actually an anti-Semite?
Does Liletta think so because of something Clio said? did? wrote?
Do they know each other? If so, are they relatives? friends? co-workers?
Did Liletta misunderstand something?
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Liletta = H/ yesA probably/F? yes but irrel Clio = H/A/F? samr answersIs Liletta Jewish? irrel Is Clio? irrel Was Clio actually an anti-Semite? no
Does Liletta think so because of something Clio said? yes did? no wrote? no
Do they know each other? irrelIf so, are they relatives? possiblyfriends? unlikelyco-workers? possibly
Did Liletta misunderstand something? yes
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Did Liletta mishear something? E.g. "jews" instead of "juice"? Or does she rather misinterpret something?

Does Clio say anything about Jews? Jewish culture? customs? Israel?

Relevant where/when this happened?
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Did Liletta mishear something? no E.g. "jews" instead of "juice"? noOr does she rather misinterpret something? yes

Does Clio say anything about Jews? Jewish culture? customs? Israel? no to all

Relevant wherepossibly/when this happened? yes
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[LTPF list of decades] please, if relevant. Time of the year relevant? Time of day? Day of the week? Any religious holidays? Other holidays?

[LTPF list of continents] please, if relevant.

Is Clio's profession relevant? Liletta's?

The thing that Clio said - a statement? a question? an answer? an exclamation?

Did Clio know that one could misinterpret what she was saying as anti-semite?
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[LTPF list of decades] please, if relevant. any time after World War II Time of the year relevant? noTime of day? noDay of the week? no Any religious holidays? no Other holidays? no

[LTPF list of continents] please, if relevant. It could occur on any continent, but N. America & Australia are most likely

Is Clio's profession relevant? no Liletta's? no

The thing that Clio said - a statement? yes a question? no an answer? It was a reply to something Liletta said, but Liletta did not ask a question. an exclamation? no

Did Clio know that one could misinterpret what she was saying as anti-semite?yes
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Is the Holocaust relevant? Concentration camps? Hitler? Jews emigrating? Other people emigrating?
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Is the Holocaust relevant? yes Concentration camps? yesHitler? yesJews emigrating? no Other people emigrating? no
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Did she compare somthing to the Holocaust? to concentration camps? Did she play the Holocaust down?
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Did she compare somthing to the Holocaust? noto concentration camps? noDid she play the Holocaust down? yope
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Did she something like it wasn't just jews that died in the camps? Was Clio being deliberately controversial? Or was she just trying to get a rise out of Liletta (one of your better names Nimue by the way)?

Political correctness relevant at all?
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Did she something like it wasn't just jews that died in the camps?no Was Clio being deliberately controversial? yope Or was she just trying to get a rise out of Liletta no(one of your better names Nimue by the way which are the bad ones??)?

Political correctness relevant at all? no
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did she compare something else to the Holocaust? or to being in a concentration camp?

did she suggest the camps had been a good idea?
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did she compare something else to the Holocaust? noor to being in a concentration camp? no

did she suggest the camps had been a good idea? eeek--no!!
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trying to think laterally
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Please try with my other puzzles, too!!
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I'm not sure whether it's relevant, but was Clio Jewish? Was Liletta?
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I'm not sure whether it's relevant, but was Clio Jewish? irrel Was Liletta?ditto
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had liletta mentioned anything aboutthe war? the holocaust? jews? israel?

did clio appear to say: the holocaust had not happened? that it was not as serious as people said? that there was some sort of justification for it?
did she appear to say that she did not care about the holocaust? that she did not care about what happened to jews?

is there some relevant feature of Clio? her nationality? language spoken? age? gender? health? name? education? job? hobby? pets? place of residence?
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had liletta mentioned anything aboutthe war? see next answer the holocaust? yes jews? yes|israel? no

did clio appear to say: the holocaust had not happened? yesish that it was not as serious as people said? yope that there was some sort of justification for it? no
did she appear to say that she did not care about the holocaust? nothat she did not care about what happened to jews? no

is there some relevant feature of Clio? yes her nationality? only insofar as it affects the next answerlanguage spoken? yes age? nogender? nohealth? no name? no, although that's always a good question to ask about my puzzles! education? yesishjob? no hobby? no pets? noplace of residence? no
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does clio have a different first language to liletta?
did clio misunderstand L? did L misunderstand C?

did clio say something in a language that wasn't her first language and the wrong words were used?

relevant which languages were being used?
liletta - english? relevant which language?
clio - english?
did either speak in German? hebrew?

is the actual word 'holocaust' relevant here? was it said by either? was another word meaning holocaust used?
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Yesish for education - are any schools relevant? degrees? subjetcs she studied? where she studied? tuition?
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Yesish for education - are any schools relevant?yope degrees? no subjetcs she studied? yesishwhere she studied? yopetuition? no
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You forgot Kdoc's questions.

subjects - history? foreign languages? German? Hebrew? religious studies?

Is it relevant in which country she studied?

Elementary school relevant? Middle school? High school? college/university?
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does clio have a different first language to liletta? irrel
did clio misunderstand L? nodid L misunderstand C? yes

did clio say something in a language that wasn't her first language irrel and the wrong words were used?no

relevant which languages were being used? yes
liletta - english? yesrelevant which language? yes
clio - english? yes
did either speak in German? no hebrew? no

is the actual word 'holocaust' relevant here? nowas it said by either? irrel was another word meaning holocaust used?probablyish
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You forgot Kdoc's questions. Rectified, with my apologies

subjects - history? foreign languages? German? Hebrew? religious studies? See above: what's relevant is the correct use of a particular English word

Is it relevant in which country she studied? see previous answer

Elementary school relevant? Middle school? High school? college/university?She could have learned the correct use in any of these schools (with elem least likely) or on her own
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Did Clio misuse the word? Or did Liletta misunderstand it?

Is it an adjective? Maybe one starting with something that looks like a negative prefix but actually isnt? a noun? verb? adverb? other word form?
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Did Clio misuse the word? no Or did Liletta misunderstand it? yes

Is it an adjective? noMaybe one starting with something that looks like a negative prefix but actually isnt? no a noun? no verb? yesadverb? noother word form? no
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so clio used a word correctly? that liletta misunderstood? is it a word that is commonly misunderstood? or misused? and clio is unusual for using it in it's correct form? (like 'decimating' which is commonly used to mean destroying most of something when in fact it means to reduce by one tenth?) does clio know a particular language which allows her to know the correct meaning of the word?

or is it just an unusual word? and liletta hadn't heard it before? or thought clio was saying something else?

is it relevant why clio knows the correct use? has she had some kind of unusual education? unusual life experience?
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so clio used a word correctly?yope that liletta misunderstood? yes is it a word that is commonly misunderstood? yes or misused? yesand clio is unusual for using it in it's correct form? (like 'decimating' which is commonly used to mean destroying most of something when in fact it means to reduce by one tenth?) THAT's IT, CLEVER HANNAH NOW THE PUZZLE SHOULD BE A SNAP TO SOLVE!!!!!!!does clio know a particular language which allows her to know the correct meaning of the word? no

or is it just an unusual word? no and liletta hadn't heard it before? noor thought clio was saying something else? no

is it relevant why clio knows the correct use? no has she had some kind of unusual education? nounusual life experience? no
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so we are looking for a verb that clio used? to describe the holocaust? that she used in it's true sense? and liletta took her to mean something else? something that indicated she was not sympathetic to the jews?

was clio's comment about the exact meaning of the word 'holocaust'? is it relevant that it's original meaning is something like 'animal sacrifice'? did Liletta infer that clio was likening jews to animals?
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so we are looking for a verb that clio used? yesish--& you've already guessed the relevant verb: 'decimate [d]. See above to describe the holocaust?Yes{ that she used in it's true sense? yesish and liletta took her to mean something else? yesish something that indicated she was not sympathetic to the jews? no

was clio's comment about the exact meaning of the word 'holocaust'? nois it relevant that it's original meaning is something like 'animal sacrifice'? did Liletta infer that clio was likening jews to animals? no
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Oh I see. So did Liletta say that the jews were decimated in the holocaust? and clio contradicted her, saying that they had not been decimated? meaning that actually it had been worse as more than one tenth were killed? but liletta thought she was denying the holocaust?
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Oh I see. So did Liletta say that the jews were decimated in the holocaust? yes and clio contradicted her, saying that they had not been decimated? yes meaning that actually it had been worse as more than one tenth were killed? but liletta thought she was denying the holocaust? yes

******** SPOILER ************

The solution is EXACTLY AS CLEVER HANNAH SAYS:
Liletta said that the Jews were decimated in the Holocaust, and Clio contradicted her, saying that they had not been decimated, meaning that actually it had been worse as more than one tenth were killed,but Liletta thought she was denying the Holocaust! And I'm Clio!! Please see my new puzzler you-know-where & don't neglect my long-running ones!!
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Interesting puzzle, and I just checked some dictionaries: Merriam-Webster lists the 'correct' meaning first, thefreedictionary.com third, and the OALD doesn't list it at all!
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I know but. . .EEEK!!!!!!!!!

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