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Posted on Thursday, June 09, 2011 - 9:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A man is walking down a hallway when suddenly he hears his wife scream. He opens a door and finds her lying on the floor. Next to her is a map. What happened?
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Was the window open?

Relevant what the map was representing? A particular country? Town? The way to a treasure?

Is she dead? Unconscious but still alive? On the floor studying the map?

Is the title relevant?
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Was the window open? No

Relevant what the map was representing? Yes
A particular country? Yes
Town? Hmmm...maybe, but this isn't important The way to a treasure? No

Is she dead? No Unconscious but still alive? Yes On the floor studying the map? No

Is the title relevant? Of course...
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A hallway in a building? in a hotel?
did he open a door? from the hallway? into a room? to the outside?
Was the door locked?
Did he know that his wife is behind this door?
Did he expect her to be there?
Is the map on the floor? on a table? on the wall?
A map printed on paper? on a computer display? or was the map painted on the wall?
Did his wife wear sunglasses? (at the moment when he found her)
Did the wife scream because she saw something? heard something? smelled something? realized something?
Was her screaming related to something on the map?
Did she look at the map at all?
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A hallway in a building? Yes, but not...in a hotel.
did he open a door? Yes from the hallway? Yes into a room? Yes to the outside? No
Was the door locked? No
Did he know that his wife is behind this door? Yes
Did he expect her to be there? Yes
Is the map on the floor? Yes on a table? on the wall? No to these
A map printed on paper? Yes
on a computer display? No
or was the map painted on the wall? No
Did his wife wear sunglasses? (at the moment when he found her) Irrelevant
Did the wife scream because she saw something? Yes heard something? This too, yes
smelled something? No realized something? Yes, this too
Was her screaming related to something on the map?
Not directly, no
Did she look at the map at all? Probably
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Were they in the country that the map represented?
Were they planning to go that country?
Had they just come from that country?
Did they know somebody in the country on the map?
Had someone else been hurt? If so, was it that knowledge that caused the wife to scream?
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Was it a map of India?
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is the building relevant? a house? office? church? school? university? library? museum?
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Is the state of man's wife a result of violence?
Is there anything extraordinary on the map? Sidenotes?
Did the map belong to the wife? To the man?
Is there anybody else in the room?
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Were they in the country that the map represented? No
Were they planning to go that country? No
Had they just come from that country? No
Did they know somebody in the country on the map? No, but OTRT
Had someone else been hurt? No
If so, was it that knowledge that caused the wife to scream? Not exactly but OTRT
Was it a map of India? No
is the building relevant? Yes a school? Yes
Is the state of man's wife a result of violence? No
Is there anything extraordinary on the map? No Sidenotes? No
Did the map belong to the wife? No To the man? No
Is there anybody else in the room? Yes - good q
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the other person - one? several? H/A/M?

did she scream because of something someone said?
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the other person - one? several? Yes, several
H Yes
A No
M Some of them, yes

did she scream because of something someone said? Yes but something else as well
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are they all children? is she their teacher?

did they play a trick on her?
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are they all children? Yes
is she their teacher? Yes

did they No, 'they' didn't...play a trick on her? But yes, there is a trick involved
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Did she faint?
As a result of seeing the map?
Did something knock her unconscious?
Any animals involved? Like mice or snakes?
Relevant why her husband is there?
Does he work there as well?
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did one of them play a trick on her?

did it involve the map? did it involve any other object?
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Did she faint? Yes
As a result of seeing the map? No
Did something knock her unconscious? No
Any animals involved? Yes...Like mice or snakes? ...not either of these though.
Relevant why her husband is there? see next answer
Does he work there as well? Yes, he's the principal at the school, and that's about as relevant as he is to the solution
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did one of them play a trick on her? Yes

did it involve the map? Yes, and...did it involve any other object? ...yes.
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Spiders or other insects involved?
Real animal?
Fake animal?
Was there an animal or insect (fake or otherwise) on the map?
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had she fallen? been tripped? fainted?
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Spiders or other insects involved? No
Real animal? No
Fake animal? Yes
Was there an animal or insect (fake or otherwise) on the map? No
had she fallen? been tripped? fainted? She had fainted
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had she opened or unrolled the map to find the fake animal inside?

was the fake animal an insect? mammal? fish?
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had she opened or unrolled the map to find the fake animal inside? No

was the fake animal an insect? mammal? fish? None of these - this is a good question in light of the puzzle's title
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Scientific classification relevant? Was she a science teacher specifically? Is biology education relevant?

Is the fake animal especially large? Especially small? Did she think it was real? Had she seen it before? Did the children create it?
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Scientific classification relevant? Yes, to a certain degree
Was she a science teacher specifically? No
Is biology education relevant? Yes, to a degree

Is the fake animal especially large? No, it's...Especially (perhaps, in the opinion of some) small? ...yes
Did she think it was real? YES
Had she seen it before? Not this one, no
Did the children create it? No
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was it a rook?
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Was it an arthropod? A mollusk? A chordate? An echinoderm? A sponge? A cnidarian? A flatworm? An annelid? A nematode? Some other animal?
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The knight on a chess board which looks like a really tiny horse?
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was it a rook? No
Was it an arthropod? A mollusk? A chordate? An echinoderm? A sponge? A cnidarian? A flatworm? An annelid? A nematode? Some other animal? The animal type is quite common, but none of these...
The knight on a chess board which looks like a really tiny horse? No
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Was it a reptile? An amphibian?
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Is the fake animal's prototype alive now? extinct?

Is the fake to scale?

Jelly fish?
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Reptiles, amphibians, and jellyfish would fit under chordates, chordates, and cnidarians respectively.

Was it a bryozoan? A rotifer? A ribbon worm? A water bear?
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Spider? (Yes, I know arthropod was excluded)
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Oh sorry cancel that. I didn't see the earlier answer
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Was it a reptile? An amphibian? Amphibian, yes
Is the fake animal's prototype alive now? Yes, very much extinct? No
Is the fake to scale? Yes
Jelly fish? No
Reptiles, amphibians, and jellyfish would fit under chordates, chordates, and cnidarians respectively. While classification is relevant, it's not necessary to pinpoint the exact classification of this animal. Once the type of animal is discovered, we should quickly discover the exact type.

Was it a bryozoan? A rotifer? A ribbon worm? A water bear? None of these
Spider? No
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Was it a frog? (or toad?)
a poisonous animal?
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Was the map used to conceal the animal? Could kids have used any other object instead of the map?
Was the map big wall map, used in school to teach geography? Or rather a pocket-size map?
Was the map also lying on the floor? Hanging on the wall? Attached to a standing map hanger? is that relevant at all?
Was this a contemporary map? Or historical map?
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Was it a frog? (or toad?) Yes! And...
a poisonous animal? ...yes!
Was the map used to conceal the animal? No
Could kids have used any other object instead of the map? There is a reason this map was used
Was the map big wall map, used in school to teach geography? Or rather a pocket-size map? It likely would have been about the size of an atlas page, so approx. 8" x 11". If it had been a wall map it would not have ended up on the floor.
Was the map also lying on the floor? Yes
Hanging on the wall? No
Attached to a standing map hanger? No
is that relevant at all? Yes, and there is something else relevant about the map.
Was this a contemporary map? Yes
Or historical map? No. A historical map could have been used but the safest assumption is that the map was from a current publication
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Frogs (and other amphibians) are chordates.

Is the map of a country in: North America? South America? Europe? Asia? Africa? Australia/Oceania? Antarctica? Is this type of frog native to the country?

Was she using it to teach about the country?
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Frogs (and other amphibians) are chordates. True, but I was hoping to keep away from this depth of information if possible, as it only relates to the solution in principle. As long as the general category could be discovered (and it has), then one specific feature of it (which has also been discovered), then only the idea of such classifications is needed in order to proceed with the puzzle. I do appreciate the note though, as it may help others who were confused or thought previous answers were misleading.

Is the map of a country in: North America? South America? Europe? Asia? Africa? Australia/Oceania? Antarctica? The map is of the continent of South America

Is this type of frog native to the country? Yes

Was she using it to teach about the country? She wasn't, no...
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Was she performing the lesson by herself? Or was any of the kids asked to prepare the lesson/part of the lesson instead?
Were children asked to bring something connected with South America/exact place in South America?
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Was she performing the lesson by herself? No...Or was any of the kids asked to prepare the lesson/part of the lesson instead? In a way, yes
Were children asked to bring something connected with South America/exact place in South America? One child did this, yes
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Relevant what subject the lesson was about? biology? geography? history? culture? art? economics? medicine? politics?
Did she think the frog was a real one?
Was the frog on, at or near the map?
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Relevant what subject the lesson was about? Yes (partial FA)
biology? geography? history? culture? art? economics? medicine? politics? For this particular activity there was a potential for any of these topics
Did she think the frog was a real one? YES
Was the frog on, at or near the map? No
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Was it really a lesson? Were they studying South America?
Relevant what age the children were? Did the husband know anything about the activity? Was the activity assigned by the wife?
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Were the children having Show-and-tell?
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Was it really a lesson? Of a sort, see next answers
Were they studying South America? Yes, at the moment, keep reading
Relevant what age the children were? May be helpful
Did the husband know anything about the activity? Irrelevant...assume no
Was the activity assigned by the wife? Yes

Were the children having Show-and-tell? Yes
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Were the children: 0? 1? 2? 3? 4? 5? 6? 7? 8? 9? 10? 11? 12? 13? 14? 15? 16? 17?
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Were the children: 0...17? It never hurts to be thorough in your questioning...these kids are around age 8-9.
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Did anyone intend to scare her? Is she unusual in her fear of the frog? In her interpretation of the frog as real unusual? Is it just a normal map of South America? Did it contain educational info about the frog? A picture of the frog?
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was the frog really realistic?

had she previously encoutered a real one of this type?
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Did anyone intend to scare her? Yes
Is she unusual in her fear of the frog? No, most people would likely be afraid of this sort
In her interpretation of the frog as real unusual? Can you rephrase this question?
Is it just a normal map of South America? Yes
Did it contain educational info about the frog? No
A picture of the frog? No
was the frog really realistic? Yes, very much so

had she previously encoutered a real one of this type? No, assume not
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Did she recognize the exact species of the frog? (because she had seen a frog like this before? because she is keeping exotic frogs at home? because her main subject is biology?)
Was the frog on her table? on the table of one of the children? on the floor? at the wall? on a tree?
Relevant what happened before she saw the frog?
Did she think a child has brought the frog?
that the frog got there accidentally? perhaps together with the map?
Was the topic of the lesson somehow (vaguely) related to fairy tales? (thinking of the puzzle title)
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Did she recognize the exact species of the frog? Maybe not at first, but... because she had seen a frog like this before? ...she may have seen one like it before. It's possible that even if she hadn't seen an actual frog like this she had some knowledge about it.
because she is keeping exotic frogs at home? No, irrelevant
because her main subject is biology? No, assume that she teaches multiple subjects to 8-9 year old children
Was the frog on her table? No - good q, explore
on the table of one of the children? Not this either, explore...
on the floor? No...
at the wall? on a tree? None of these but keep exploring...
Relevant what happened before she saw the frog? No
Did she think a child has brought the frog? She knows that one of them brought the frog to class for show-and-tell, yes
that the frog got there accidentally? No
perhaps together with the map? The frog and the map were brought together, yes
Was the topic of the lesson somehow (vaguely) related to fairy tales? (thinking of the puzzle title) No, not at all. The title has a double meaning that is related to biology and is meant as a clue to indicate that biology is somehow related to the puzzle. I believe that all relevant info about how biology relates has been discovered with the exception of 1 piece of information that you have referenced with your questions above that I have encouraged exploration of.
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Was the frog in the child's hand? Was she afraid for herself? Or for the child?
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Was the frog in the child's hand? No, but OTRT, explore...
Was she afraid for herself? No, but...Or for the child? ...yes!
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Was the frog in the child's mouth (ew)?
Pocket?

Is "Kings Play Chess On Fine Grained Sand" relevant?

Was the frog in a container of some sort?

Just to check: We are talking about a 3-D model or reproduction of a poisonous frog here, yes?
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did the child pass the frog around the room?
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Was the frog in the child's mouth (ew)? NO, but you are very, very close and certainly OTRT!
Pocket? No

Is "Kings Play Chess On Fine Grained Sand" relevant? That's the inspiration for the puzzle title, but is only meant as a clue that biology is connected to the puzzle in some way, and the relevance of this has already been determined. There is still a way that this could help, and it has to do with your first question above (and the one that follows).

Was the frog in a container of some sort? YES

Just to check: We are talking about a 3-D model or reproduction of a poisonous frog here, yes? Yes, that's right

did the child pass the frog around the room? Possibly, but this action is not relevant
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Was the child holding the frog in the container? Did he/she {gender relevant?) take the frog out of the container? Was it a closed container? An opaque one?
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Was the child holding the frog in the container? Yes, and...Did he/she (gender relevant?) take the frog out of the container? NO - good q!
Was it a closed container? YES and NO - great q! Explore just a bit here and we're done!
An opaque one? No, it was a clear glass container
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Did it have a hole? A lid? Was the lid on? Was it off? Was the woman scared that the frog would leave the container? If it had been real, would this fear have been justified?
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Did it have a hole? No A lid? Yes...
Was the lid on? Yes, and... Was it off? ...it was this as well
Was the woman scared that the frog would leave the container? No - even if the frog had been real there wouldn't have been a threat of this
If it had been real, would this fear have been justified? Absolutely
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did the child open the container and put his/her hand in? or invite someone else to?
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did the child open the container Yes!
and put his/her hand in? No, he didn't do this
or invite someone else to? No, didn't do this either
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Was she afraid simply because the container (can we call it a jar? a bottle?) was being opened? Was she worried simply because the child had one of these? Is the map at all relevant anymore?
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Was she afraid simply because the container (can we call it a jar? a bottle?) was being opened? It was a jar, but her fear was not simply because it was being opened, there was something else...
Was she worried simply because the child had one of these? No - if the jar hadn't been opened she wouldn't have been afraid at all
Is the map at all relevant anymore? Not to discover the main solution, merely a detail of it
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Did the same child also bring the map?
Is there something else relevant about the map?
Were there any marks or notes on the map? (here we found the frog)
Would the teacher have been equally scared if it had been a map of Europe?
Was there something else in the jar besides the frog? Did the child put something in?
Was she afraid the frog would die? in the jar?
Was she more afraid of legal consequences for the child (or his parents)? (for importing a protected species)
Relevant that frogs held in captivity are generally not very poisonous, but frogs captured in their natural habitat are?
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Did the kid kiss/lick/touch the frog?
Did the kid, as a joke, threaten to kiss/lick/touch the frog?
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Did the same child also bring the map? Possibly, but not relevant how the map got there. The relevance of the map is to help determine the kind of animal involved, and this has been done.
Is there something else relevant about the map? No
Were there any marks or notes on the map? (here we found the frog) Very possible based on the kind of frog that was being displayed
Would the teacher have been equally scared if it had been a map of Europe? No, but this wouldn't have been the case
Was there something else in the jar besides the frog? Yes... Did the child put something in? No - good q - the child did not put anything into the jar during class
Was she afraid the frog would die? No, not the frog... in the jar? No
Was she more afraid of legal consequences for the child (or his parents)? (for importing a protected species) No, this was not a concern
Relevant that frogs held in captivity are generally not very poisonous, but frogs captured in their natural habitat are? Yes, this is relevant

Did the kid kiss/lick/touch the frog? No but you are OTRT
Did the kid, as a joke, threaten to kiss/lick/touch the frog? No, but once again you are OTRT
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Did the teacher fear that the child would be poisoned?
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Oh, wait...
Did the child have his meal in the same jar?
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Did the teacher fear that the child would be poisoned? Yes!

Oh, wait...
Did the child have his meal in the same jar? No
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Would the child be poisoned by eating the poison? Inhaling the poison? Absorbing the poison through skin? Other way?
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Would the child be poisoned by eating the poison? This is the closest, but there's a better word for how it would be done

Inhaling the poison? Absorbing the poison through skin? None of these

Other way? HINT: Think about where the frog was and how the child was presenting it to the class
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Was there a liquid in the jar? water?
Did the teacher think the frog was dead?
Did the other children know that the frog was not real?
Did a child attempt to take out? ingest? eat? drink? whatever there was in the jar besides the frog?
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Was there a liquid in the jar? Yes... water? Yes, it was water, but explore this and you'll have it solved
Did the teacher think the frog was dead? Yes
Did the other children know that the frog was not real? No
Did a child attempt to take out? ingest? eat? None of these

drink? whatever there was in the jar besides the frog? YES, this action was done

I think enough has been uncovered if someone wants to piece together the solution
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Was she worried that the child would drink the poison in the water?
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Was she worried that the child would drink the poison in the water? YES
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******** SPOILER ********

A student plays a trick on his teacher and the entire class during a show-and-tell time in class. He comes to class with a canister/jar containing a specimen of a species of poison-skinned frog native to South America. The frog inside the jar is a realistic looking toy frog, and the "preserving liquid" in the jar is merely water. As the boy tells the class about how his father studies frogs and brought back this specimen from the rain forest of South America, the teacher holds up a map of South America for the children to see while the boy talks about the frog. At one point, the boy quickly opens the jar and sips from it. The teacher, fearing that he has now likely poisoned himself, screams and then faints, dropping the map next to her. Her husband, the principal at the school, is walking down the hall and hears his wife scream. He enters the room to find a room full of very shocked children, a little boy holding an open jar containing a dead "poison frog" in some liquid, and his wife lying on the floor.

About the title: 'Kings Play Chess' is part of a sentence that most biology students learn to help them remember all of the elements of classification. The entire phrase is 'Kings Play Chess On Fine Green Sand'. The first letters of each word correspond with Kingdom, Phylum, Class, Order, Family, Genus, Species.

Nice work by all!
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No wonder I wasn't getting the "Kings Play Chess" reference at all. I learned "King Phillip Came Over For Green Spaghetti." Anyway, interesting puzzle.
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Kings play chess on fat gorillas' stomachs is what I learned.

Nice puzzle.
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Interesting. I've never heard of this phrase (but I'm not a biology major either).
When I read the puzzle title I was thinking of the fairy tale of the Frog King, so I asked whether the animal is a frog.
This was the second time in a row that I got closer to the solution because I misunderstood a hint. I wonder whether there is a word for this ...
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too late to turn it into a scrund puzzle!

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